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@jashro44 said:

Why is everyone picking batman? I'm not saying there wrong I just want to know why....I always thought shiva was the best fighter in the dc universe after bat girl (ignoring the likes of karate kid of course)?

They're all pretty close so I can respect someone picking either Batman, Shiva, or Batgirl as top human martial artist.

Bats and Shiva have stalemated before, Bats even beat her when she was being mind controlled. If she actually is more skilled, his strength/durability must make up for it or something because Batman also have high end feats where he can hang with or sometimes even beat opponents even more skilled than Shiva (For Example, Prometheus, who's helmet allowed his Protege to defeat Shiva in 3 seconds or something like that)

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@karetaker said:

@vuviper: yes colossus does thunderclap. srry im late.but anyway his thunderclap is pretty effective.i would say better than luke cage

In that case, I think he could take it that way.

@Super_SoldierXII said:

The OP clearly stated this is present Colossus. Empowered with the gem of Cyttorak.

(Minus the MOST recent which would include the Phoenix force - I can only imagine).

No one's convincing me Karate Kid is winning this one.

Where did he state that? I don't think anyone thinks Karate Kid can beat current colossus.

@Pokeysteve: Why else would he drop it?

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@Pokeysteve: Flash would beat Karate Kid very badly. Karate Kid probably wouldn't beat a Daxamite either.

That said, I still think he's be Colossus (No Juggs or Phoenix Force) Because I don't think Colossus would connect and because Karate Kid hits hard enough to hurt Colossus.

Haha I know Flash would win and KK has no chance of beating a Superman level being. Is there any proof he hits hard enough to hurt someone of Colossus' durability? That's the gist of my argument for every KK thread like this. KK is awesome at beating the $h!t out of scenery but he's never actually hurt a truly durable person.

He caused the Daxamite to drop that ship or w/e in that scan mentioned before. It might not have hurt him too severely it was enough to make him drop it so he obviously felt it. I don't think Colossus has Daxamite level durability so that should be enough. He's also chopped Equus' arm. Stopped earthquakes with a kick and destroyed meteors with a kick (Sorry if I'm mixing up Karate Kid incarnations, because I'm already not a Karate Kid expert to begin with and I'm terrible sorting out continuities)

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@Dane said:

@vuviper said:
" @Dane: Well I definitely made this thread thinking Artemis was more skilled , though JPV is no slouch with centuries worth of assassin training. I thought Azrael may be a little stronger, but I guess they're probably pretty close, I think Artemis would have it then too "
JPV is a very underrated character. The problem is though, any fighting skill feats against Wonder Woman carry huge weight because DC put WW forward as 'the finest melee combatant' in their Universe pretty much. That and Amazonian martial arts are supposed be leagues above regular human ones and Artemis has presumably mastered those.

He is not underrated well maybe compared to Lane but that is not underrating that is just Lane being more Powerful.

Still he loses.

He was underrated two years ago

Why do you think he loses btw?

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@Pokeysteve: Flash would beat Karate Kid very badly. Karate Kid probably wouldn't beat a Daxamite either.

That said, I still think he's be Colossus (No Juggs or Phoenix Force) Because I don't think Colossus would connect and because Karate Kid hits hard enough to hurt Colossus.

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@CitizenBane: Oh ok

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Azrael. And didn't Diana throw that fight against Artemis? I seem to remember her saying so in Secret Files and Origins #1. Or am I thinking of something else entirely?

Are you talking about the Judo Throw scan someone posted? Yes I believe you are correct that there was some sort of circumstance like that

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@Kallarkz said:

@vuviper said:

@Kallarkz said:

@vuviper said:

@karetaker said:

i vote colossus.unless someone can show me KK hurting someone with colossus level durability.and i mean a whole fight.because in my mind Colossus just thunderclaps next to his head

So no other character in the Marvel Universe has been able to hit Colossus so hard that he has been maimed in such a violent manner...yet Karate Kid can do it?

o.O

-_-

Just because no other character in the Marvel Universe has doesn't mean there aren't plenty of characters in the Marvel universe capable of it.

oh im quite sure there are some who can do it.

Yet...how is a normal human like Karate Kid with no metahuman abilities doing what superhumans have not.

Through the superhuman capabilities granted him by Super Karate. Think of the seemingly superhuman feats commonly afforded to ninjas and martial arts masters in myth/history/fiction. Karate Kid takes this to the extreme. He's the future version of Iron Fist on the Galactic Scale. I also don't think Colossus can hit Karate Kid unless he can thunderclap

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@Dane said:

yeah, I think they're both at least as good as Batman, if not better in terms of fighting skill. They severely outclass him in terms of physical attributes though.

I almost made this thread again. Anyways, replying to your 2 year old post. I don't think either of them are as skilled as Batman, since in the fights I posted they also have a pretty big physical superiority advantage.

On paper Azrael has centuries of fighting knowledge/experience, but when he lost his powers be seemed to have the upper hand sparring with Nightwing (though now that I think about it, that may have also removed his access to his former incarnations' skills). Artemis is portrayed as better than most of the Amazons of Themyiscryra who all share that on paper claim of centuries of Fighting knowledge/experience.

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@Kallarkz said:

@vuviper said:

@karetaker said:

i vote colossus.unless someone can show me KK hurting someone with colossus level durability.and i mean a whole fight.because in my mind Colossus just thunderclaps next to his head

So no other character in the Marvel Universe has been able to hit Colossus so hard that he has been maimed in such a violent manner...yet Karate Kid can do it?

o.O

-_-

Just because no other character in the Marvel Universe has doesn't mean there aren't plenty of characters in the Marvel universe capable of it.