@black_virtue: They edited it into oblivion too. Before it came out Ayer was all "This is gonna rock and you're gonna love it!" and then when it came out he was all "I'm sorry nevermind." So (while he could just be trying to save face), in the wake of WB's other shenaniganery (new word I have made up) I'm inclined to give them the lion's share of the blame.
@black_virtue: That just keeps getting better too. Last I heard they can't land a director for the Batman solo, 'cause they butchered Affleck's script beyond recognizeability and he ragequit, then they got another director who couldn't tolerate even talking about making a movie (A BATMAN MOVIE) for more than a week before he (maybe she? I forget) quit too.
You gotta know that the problem is you, at that point. You gotta give peeps room to breathe. Or you get Suicide Squad. Again.
@velaaru_of_illea: Seems like they have with this one, I read somewhere Gunn said there would be no director's cut because he made the movie he wanted to. So at least they're learning from their mistakes and not staying fixed on being over bearing like warner Bros. and Sony. I do think that had a hand in A2 as much as it did in Fantastic Four and it's exactly why Marvel Entertainment pushed and succeeded at distancing itself from the major Disney corporate.
Fant4stic was Fox's fault but yeah. They seem to be learning. 'Cause Civil War was basically the baby of the Russo Brothers too.
Maybe it's time for major studios to FINALLY FLUFFING LEARN that good movies (and movies that sell) aren't this overprocessed homogenized executive-meddled drek. They're auteur-driven projects with a singular trusted voice. Civil War, GotG, Logan, Deadpool, everything that's gotten a really strong positive reaction has been something with minimal meddling and only 2-3 people working on it. That's what makes good movies.
Honestly, they should have let James Gunn handle Infinity Wars. DEFINITELY need to let him get Avengers 4, because he's done two hero team movies and unlike Whedon he's held up the standard in both, in some ways even improved on it.
Agreed. He knows what he's doing and he's staying passionate about the project, and GotG2 was better than the first.
THAT SAID, Whedon was under a greater amount of pressure by the studio to make sure the two Avengers movies were exactly how they wanted them, which was supposedly why he lost interest. Gunn was given total free rein -- as long as he didn't outright fluff up the pre-existing canon, he was good to go.
Now, considering their track record with dealing with creators so far (and in the wake of the massive success of creator-driven projects GotG and Civil War), Disney/Marvel might wise up about that and be more lenient with the Avengers flicks. But that has yet to be seen.