UFC Most Elite Divisions

There is only one way to check out a division: how many elite fighters there are. An elite fighter must be:

1) an elite or A level athlete

2) have no holes and an A game that is nigh impossible to take away

3) can't have many decisions

4) can't be old

A high level fighter can possess 3 or roughly 3 of the qualities.

Bantamweight: 2 elite fighters, 3 high level fighters.

Lightweight: 3 elites, 2 high level fighters.

Welterweight: 3 high level fighters

Middleweight: 6 high level fighters

Light Heavyweight:3 elites, 2 high level fighters. I reevaluated my statement and admit my mistake. Rumble has evolved since the Arlovski fight and Jon, although he had a bad showing against Ovince, has done more than enough to be classified as an elite. I will keep the edits and explanations as a reminder but mark my words; the LHW division is not done evolving yet, and the middleweight division as well. They have young and powerful fighters, but there is room for improvement and if the UFC plays its cards right, they can attract some truly spectacular talent

6 high level fighters. Jon Jones has never finished his higher level opponents including OSP, and Anthony Johnson decisioned Arlovski. Jon needs more convincing wins to be included in the elite category.

Heavyweight: 2 elites, 4 high level fighters, 1 soon to debut freak athlete.

Jon Jones.I see I have caused some annoyance because I listed him as a high level fighter instead of an elite. Don't get me wrong; He is one of the greatest fighters ever and a freak athlete as well, but check out the actual definition of an elite fighter, and the definition for a high level fighter. How many boxes does he tick? He is young, an A level athlete, and is one of the most skilled ever to grace the octagon.


Judging from his recent performances against OSP and compared to others performances against the same person, he does not have any excuses for decisioning him. Manuwa and Glover KO'ed and choked OSP respectively, but why did he only decision him? You can make the excuse that styles make fights, and his style allows him to beat everyone but not finish them. Okay. Until he has the number of wins against high level opponents that Floyd does, or until he wins his next fight with either a finish against a normal opponent or a decision against DC or Rumble, he is currently a high level fighter.

I don't get what the fuss is about. The only reason he's not elite is because of competition and current performances. That does not mean he is weaker than other elite fighters. If you look at Stipe Miocic's current record and his performances against dangerous opponents and compare it to Jon, you can see why I did not put Jon up there.

NOTEI am not one of those people who considers Junior to be weaker just because he lost to a few powerful fighters. I do know that based on what Jon has done, OSP should have been an easy submission for him.


This is my own classification that only looks at the top 10 UFC fighters. Relatively, everyone in the UFC is an elite fighter; There's guys that get destroyed in the UFC who are champions in other organizations like Roger Huerta or Anthony Hamilton.


Is The UFC Heavyweight Division Weak?

Good question back in 2014. Now the division has changed a lot and has become one of the more competitive weight classes in the UFC.

Personally I judge how powerful a division is based on a couple of factors; the champ, the top 6 fighters skill, the top 15 fighters athleticism, all the top 15 fighters age, the rest of the division's competitiveness, and prospects.

We all know about the top 5 fighters. Here I will take a look at the rest of the division.

Every division has the power levels, most of the time it goes like this: top 1-2, 3-6, 7-15, 16-rest with a few prospects littered in. The heavyweight division is not as wek as people think.

Most of those fighters down at the bottom are actually champions in small organizations. Here are a few examples. These are the worst fighters in the UFC heavyweight division along with some normal fighters with bad records:

Chase Sherman 27 6'4 250:

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No. 1 HW in Mississippi, No. 2 in Florida, No. 6 in the southeast. FFI heavyweight champion.

Record outside the UFC: 9-1

Record inside the UFC: 0-2

Current Record: 9-3

Damian Grabowski 36 6'1 241:

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M-1 Global Champion, Polish grappling champion, BJJ brown belt

Out UFC: 20-2

In UFC: 0-2

Record: 20-4

Viktor Pesta 26 6'4 243:

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No. 1 in Czech Republic and the Gladiator Championship Fighting champion

Out UFC: 9-0

In UFC: 1-4

Record: 10-4

Anthony Hamilton 36 6'5 250:

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Maximum Fighting Championship HWT Champion, Cagesport HWT Champion and the Rumble on The Ridge HWT Champion.

Out UFC: 12-2

In UFC: 3-5

Record: 25-7

Todd Duffee 31 6'3 260:

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Out UFC: 9-1

In UFC: 3-2

Record: 9-3

Adam Milstead 29 6'3 240:

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Out UFC: 7-1

In UFC: 1-1


The UFC is a pretty competitive place for only the best of the best. And if you were the best, over here you could be the one who gets cut.


Light Heavyweight vs Heavyweight

Weight and height are crucial factors in fighting and we seem to have the answer right now; The most successful boxers and MMA fighters are all around 6'3 to 6'5 and weights at 230-250 lbs (Examples: Miocic 6'4 240, Fury 6'8 259, Joshua 6'6 234, JDS 6'3 238, Ali 6'3 236 and the new guy Ngannou, 6'4 256). This is because at lower weight classes where KO power is not prevalent, a weight advantage means a lot but at higher weight classes, weight often limits speed and reaction time, mobility and cardio and athletic potential.

What I am saying is, if a light heavyweight fighter (real LHW, around 210 lbs) fought a bigger heavyweight fighter (265+), who do you guys think will win? One is heavier than the middle ground and the other lighter. In these two situations:

1) Both are trained strikers (but well rounded) in the UFC, top 10 skill wise

2) Two random gym goers who are pretty athletic

(BTW, It was because I saw the Fortuna Hamilton fight. Fortuna was 6'1 210 and Hamilton was 6;5 265 but Hamilton got knocked out in a couple of minutes.)


Who Should Francis Ngannou Fight Next?

The heavyweight division is doing spectacularly well. With a roster of powerful fighters and dangerous potentials, this is definitely a division to follow. Two potential championship level fighters in particular. Francis Ngannou and Derrick Lewis have both defeated their respective veterans, and the question is, who should they fight next?

Francis is the first real prospect in a couple of years now, and he is only 30 years old. Most people are asking for him to fight Ben Rothwell and in a way that is logical. Ben is a step up in competition; a powerful chin, an unusual fighting style and a well rounded game, he is certainly going to be a challenge to the Predator. But that is not the logical choice. We finally have a fighter whom everyone wants to get behind early on, and feeding him to Rothwell is not a very good idea. Rothwell is dangerous. This is a man who has submitted Barnett and decisioned Hunt, and he is far too dangerous for a relatively young fighter such as Francis. As everyone is well aware, there is a giant gap between the top 6 and the rest in this division. So who should Francis Ngannou fight next? Alexander Volkov, the former Bellator champ. This is not a step down in competition, but this is a more conventional fighter than Rothwell. Volkov is also a striker and Francis should be working on his boxing speed and reaction for this fight, but also be honing his ground game and ground game prevention. Let him evolve and if he wins, then we can give him a real step up in competition, and see if he can leap the chasm.

Derrick Lewis is a different story. He knows how to market himself, and after this recent win, there will be interest. Unlike Francis, who have long term popularity, Lewis is inconsistent and needs an exciting opponent. Also, he has had a lot more fights than Ngannou. I would give him either Rothwell or someone who is relatively famous. Rothwell is logical, but Todd Duffee have not seen action for a while. This man just pulled out, and if he does not have any serious injuries, Lewis should be given a fighter whom he can brawl with, and save Rothwell for Ngannou. Or you can always give Ngannou Junior Dos Santos after he fights Stipe.

Two more fighters I'd like to talk about. Andrei Arlovski and Travis Browne. One who has a dismal coach and the other just cannot keep up with the new breed anymore. Two fighters, if you count their recent 4 fights, that possesses a 1-7 record between them. Although it looks bad on paper, both have fought only elite and high level opponents. No excuses though, they lost. Yet, they are still major draws. Everyone likes a story where the hero pulls himself out of the mud and goes out on a victory, and this is what the UFC should do. Give Andrei Victor Pesta and Travis Hamilton or Rocha, and put them on the main event or prelims of a UFC numbered event that has a weak card. For example, an event headlined by a woman and has no heavyweights anywhere. Or a card like UFC 206. If they do not attract buys I do not know what will.


Catchweight (148 lbs)Max Hollowaydef.Anthony Pettis
WelterweightDonald Cerronedef.Matt Brown
MiddleweightKelvin Gastelumdef.Tim Kennedy

Yeah, you know this looks better than a featherweight fight between Cub and Choi, and a welterweight fight between two nobodies.


MMA Striking

Poor, poor striking.

In the 265 lb division, the champ Miocic possesses fairly high level boxing (really impresses me, this guy can give Wilder a run for his money. Not win, but he can surprise a lot of people) and a few low kicks just to be diverse. The shocking part, is that he was a wrestler. Overeem has finally figured out his diversity and can knock out anyone. JDS has strong offensive boxing, but never, ever, compare him to the likes of Tyson Fury. Apart from them and a few others, that's it for good striking. Find me anyone from below the top 15 that can even compete in amateur boxing. There's none.

The LHW's are worse. Johnson has power to sleep anyone in any weight class, but the fact that he went 3 rounds with Andrei Arlovski should tell you a lot about his striking skill. And he''s the best striker there. Gus is fine. Jones is terrific but he's not a division, just one man. Volkan, who claims to be a striker, was terrible against OSP and I'm not talking about the fight. The man is just not good.

yes Volkan, swing wildly. think about defense only when you get clipped.

Middleweight....Let's see......Yoel Romero, a 39 year old wrestler, just out-wrestled and out struck the man people saw as the next level of fighting, Chris Weidman, with a well timed knee to a poorly timed takedown. Weidman is a wrestler as well, so he has an excuse. Rockhold was never a striker (BJJ fighter), just a counter right attached to a few brutal kicks and Bispign exposed him perfectly. What can we tell from this? None of the middleweights are actually strikers, and like Rousey and MVP has proved time and again, you can look like Tyson if your opponent is the type to fling out a jab or a low kick just because.

Welterweight is fine, we've got three cool dudes at the top and two of them has KO power and the other is one of the best karate fighters there is. Now we can wait for new blood below 30 years old who can challenge them.

That's it for the weight classes that can beat up most anyone outside the UFC regardless of their size and athletic ability. Wow, interestingly, the heavyweight division is the best right now (if you don't include the lower weight classes) in terms of competitiveness and prospects. When Ruslan and Ledet comes back and Makhov debuts, things will really start to get interesting. In case anyone don't know who Makhov is, he's a 6'5, 280 lb wrestler who's won medals in both freestyle and Greco-Roman. There's a video of him training boxing and striking online, and he looks pretty good. Obviously a fast learner, soon this guy will need a better boxing coach.

PS: I am not saying that boxing is better. I am saying that I am confident that MMA will continue to evolve. Pretty soon people will figure out how people like Cody and Stipe won the title. If you can't here's why: They both possess powerful striking and powerful ground game. Both are boxer wrestlers who can either take you down or stuff your takedowns and light you up or knock you out. You can't merely be able to dictate where the fight is, you must be able to dominate wherever it goes.


UFC Average Height by Divisions Top 10 Fighters 2017

So the UFC has two big problems:

1. They try to make the smaller fighters taller by adding height (Faber CARWIN).

2. They have a flawed rounding system (180.89 is rounded as 180)

So, I will try my best to give you the real numbers.

Note: Some of the heights are based on research and pictures because of false listings. All listings will be done using the metric system of which I am very familiar with. If a fighter is 180.5 he will be listed as 181 cm. If a fighter is 180.4 he will be listed as 180 cm. Same with feet and inches. Final average will have one decimal.


  • just to be clear, champion counts as top 1 unlike the UFC listing, where top 1 heavyweight is Werdum and the champ is Stipe.

For those of you who have no idea how to convert centimeters to feet and inches, here is an accurate cm to feet converter.

UFC Average Height by Divisions (top 10 only)



Miocic 193

Werdum 192

Cain 185

Overeem 192

Dos Santos 192

Rothwell 193

Ngannou 193

Hunt 176

Lewis 190

Browne 198

Average: 190.4 cm = 6'3.0


Cormier 177

Jones 194 (replacing Bader, who might be in Bellator)

Johnson 185

Gustafsson 195

Teixeira 188

Manuwa 191

Rua 185

"Overtime" Anderson 190

St. Preux 188

Oezdemir 185

Average: 187.8 cm = 6'1.9


Bisping 183

Romero 178

Rockhold 190

Souza 185

Weidman 187

Mousasi 187

Whittaker 182

"Spider" Silva 186

Belfort 182

Brunson 185

Average: 184.5 cm = 6'0.6

WELTERWEIGHT (more or less average male weight 196 lbs)

Woodley 172

Thompson 183

Lawler 178

Maia 185

Condit 183

Magny 189

Masvidal 180

"Stun Gun" Kim 187

Cerrone 183

"Gunni" Nelson 180

Average: 182 cm = 5'11.6


McGregor 174

Nurmagomedov 178

Ferguson 179

Alvarez 171

Dos Anjos 175

Barboza 180

Nate Diaz 183

"The Menace" Johnson 177

Chiesa 185

Dariush 177

Average: 177.9 cm = 5'10 (average male height)


Aldo 170

Holloway 180

Edgar 170

Lamas 172

Swanson 172

"Lil' Heathen" 175

"Showtime" Pettis 176

Oliveira 176

"El Pantera" Rodriguez 180

"The Korean Zombie" 170

Average: 174.1 cm = 5'8.5


Garbrandt 171

Cruz 173

Dillashaw 168

Assuncao 164

Lineker 160

Rivera 160

"Kid Lightning" Caraway 168

Sterling 169

"Mayday" McDonald 175

Dodson 158

Average: 166.7 cm = 5'6.3


Johnson 160

Benavidez 161

Cejudo 160

Formiga 163

Reis 162

Sergio Pettis 165

"Uncle Creepy" McCall 165

Ortiz 163

Borg 161

Moreno 168

Average Height: 162.8 cm = 5'4.1

Average Weight: 150 lbs. So basically if fighters don't cut weight the lowest division would be featherweight, with fighters like Benavidez, Cejudo and McCall easily fighting at lightweight.


Milstead vs Blaydes; An Unfortunate Event and How it could be Prevented

this is gonna hurt.....thrice
this is gonna hurt.....thrice

Blaydes won. Not really a spoiler since this event happened a couple of weeks ago. A loss is disappointing enough already. There was no need for me to watch how Razor Blaydes utterly dominated Adam Milstead. It wasn't a fight, a fight implies both sides had equal chances of winning, and displayed it. Instead, I was treated to 2 rounds of painful beatings where the 6'3 233 lb Milstead was repeatedly lifted up and smashed into the ground. Let's analyze the fight and try to figure out how Milstead could've tweaked his game plan to give himself a fighting chance, and how to improve his overall fighting skills.

Honestly, there really isn't a lot to analyze. After two exchanges the Prototype slightly overextended himself on a slow jab and Blaydes ducked and ran him through. One thing he could've done, is to be more patient.

Patience is key. Adam Milstead's game plan was to tire Blaydes out then knock him out. A good game plan. Yet to do so, he should not be the aggressor. If you watch the fight, you could see Blaydes was the one to duck for a takedown first, but rather than skipping backwards or commit to takedown defense, Milstead tried for a jab that completely missed the target because in his mind, he was already thinking about jabbing to control distance. If he had waited for Blaydes to make the first move, it would've been easier to stuff the takedown.

After getting slammed, Milstead tried multiple times to get back up and ended up getting slammed, over and over into the mat. Eventually hurting his left knee. It is never a wise move to try to get up when someone still has your back and your arms are free; it leaves you defenseless to being taken down again. A couple of these tries and fails will leave a person severely drained of both cardio and confidence.

What matters here is wrist control. Separating someone's hands is easy enough, just wait for him to punch. After that, a simple catch wrestling technique can be used. First grab his wrist then lift your other arm up and under his armpit so that he will have to struggle to lock his hands. The next step is to force the knee that is easier to lift up under you and explode up and turn into him, lock in double underhooks and either fight from there or separate. Note that here, wrist control is the first step to get up instead of the step to take after getting up.

For a fighter like Adam who works best on the inside, he should be looking to lose the jab, which is a weapon to maintain distance. The Russian Hook is the best mode of fighting for him, as his fighting style can be enhanced by techniques that the Last Emperor himself used. Hook then clinch, create options to either continue fighting or commit to a trip and end up on the ground. Another technique he can take advantage of is Luke Rockhold counter left hook. Milstead is quite an athletic man and in a division where 80 percent of the fighters under the top 15 are more than out of shape he can easily retreat then plant his feet and either go for a takedown or a counter hook.

No conclusions, I ain't writing a college essay so I can structure my stuff however I want. Maybe one: patience, BJJ, play to strengths.

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UFC: Divisional Analysis


Nice looking division right now, with clear levels of power. Stipe, Werdum, Cain, JDS and Overeem are in the top 5 and will not be threatened in the near future. Francis Ngannou is the rising prospect and will face veteran Andrei Arlovski. I might go to a UFC restaurant in NJ to watch that fight, and even though I love Andrei, I hope Ngannou will find his predatory instincts, stop hesitating, and use his speed and boxing to it's full potential to dominate the fight and win with a KO.

In the lower end we have a few prospects as well. Justin Ledet (8-0) the amateur boxer is still an undefeated fighter and will face another undefeated fighter in Dmitry Sosnovskiy (10-0) in February. This will be Sosnovskiy's first real test and UFC debut and seeing as previously he has only fought cans, I predict Ledet will win in a couple of rounds.

Adam Milstead is the second prospect and will butt heads with Curtis Razor Blaydes on the same date as the Ledet fight, best wishes to Adam, hope you win in spectacular fashion my friend.

Ruslan Magomedov is facing a potential doping violation, and the kickboxer without KO power will be out of commission for a while. On the bright side he is only 30. During this time he should be working on his hand speed and KO power.

The last fighter is an untested one, but his natural athletic abilities and physical dominance already has people talking about his debut. at only 29 years old, Bilyal Makhov stands at 6'5 290 lb is the Next Big Thing in the heavyweight division. The Russian Olympic Greco Roman and Freestyle wrestler has shown remarkable striking abilities on his first day (if you can believe it). My advice for him is to start learning boxing in a real boxing gym because MMA striking and muay thai might take a while, and make it his base. Focus on speed, combinations along with explosiveness for an entire year. Then learn BJJ defense and muay thai (for kicks and knees and elbows) and MMA (to be able to mesh the styles together perfectly). If he can transition from Greco-Roman to Freestyle that easily he should be able to pick up boxing at a feverish pace as well and shoot through the division.

To conclude, 5 skilled and talented guys at the top, the rest are a bit behind with 4 prospects and a couple of veterans. Below the top 15 most are not worthy to be talked about but still are powerful enough to hold 8-1 12-2 records outside the UFC. Not journeymen but with 0-2, 2-4 and 3-4 records in the UFC their opponents most likely were, although Mark Godbeer the former top Bellator contender lost his first fight to Ledet and is 0-1, and the former Bellator champ decisioned Tim Johnson. All together, an interesting division where any fight is a must watch.

Light Heavyweight

A pretty top heavy division, but only because of the sheer skill, talent, and experience there. Daniel Cormier was a former two time Olympian and was the captain of the Olympic wrestling team. At 37 his athletic ability is winding down but can still contend with the best.

Anthony Rumble Johnson possesses God given KO power in every limb and is a great wrestler in his own right. But unlike most wrestlers his stand up is phenomenal. Just watch his fight with Phil Davis and his training videos, this man has astonishing flexibility that allows him to throw swift and brutal head kicks. Unlike Luke Rockhold, he has high level boxing as well judging from his instinctive head movement while striking and the angles at which he strikes. Once he realizes all he needs to work on now is his hand speed, in and out striking and combinations, he could potentially beat Jon Jones.

Jon Jones. Anyone who knows MMA should be familiar with him.

Outside the triumvirate we have got Alexander Gustafsson. If you are a boxing fan, get behind this guy. At 16 he won the junior national boxing championship, and later defeated the Swedish heavyweight boxing champ. He was a huge favorite to win in the national boxing championship but then signed with the UFC. The guy put a boxing clinic on Jon Jones and almost won, but Jon adapted. I picked him to win against Rumble but forgot Rumble had something other than boxing, and one head kick marked the end of the fight. Twice Gustafsson was defeated by strikes that boxing has never taught him to defend against, like the spinning elbow and the head kick. To be fair, he has lots of MMA training and against any lesser opponent (meaning any opponent other than those two) he would've dominated, but the set ups and speed the two top contenders used were too much for him.

As for prospects, for now I do not see a single soul who poses any kind of a challenge the four guys up there. Or three guys and one far below. Not Gus, Bones. The good thing is, Gus and Bones are both 30 and 29 respectively, and Rumble is only 32, we have plenty of time to scout for new talent.

Although, watch out for Misha Cirkunov.


Once thought to be one of the best, Chris Weidman shattered that notion with a punch then later on, a kick. This is a division I'd watch purely for entertainment purposes rather than careful analysis.

Bisping is a 37 year old with no remarkable anything who has wilted against every top opponent. Him using his average boxing skills to out-strike a 40 year old Anderson Silva who has never faced a decent striker in his life was maybe his finest moment outside of KO'ing Luke Rockhold, a BJJ based fighter with some nasty kicks but couldn't box for his life. And he is the champ.

The top contender is a 39 year old Olympic wrestler with KO power but unlike Rumble Johnson, Yoel Romero's striking is far from technical. It certainly is enough to beat the current crop of middleweights. Him versus Bisping will be interesting. Both are so far from their prime it reminds of the movie Grudge Match. And yep, a 37 year old middleweight boxer is much worse than a 37 year old light heavyweight wrestler. Wrestlers age better than strikers although Romero is really stretching it a bit. He is a physical specimen who's boost from steroids is still not yet gone from his body.

Then we have Luke Rockhold. Note that when he got KO'ed, Bisping's right hook couldn't have been cleaner. So nope, I don't think his chin is suspect. His boxing though, no amount of training can help him. He just does not have the talent for boxing. This kinda goes for everyone. No matter how much you train, don't bullsh#t yourself. If God didn't gift you with explosive power you can train every day and still can't beat someone like Johnson, Tyson or Foreman. Speed is another gift you just gotta have. Training can help, but if you think it can make up for natural athletic ability you are sorely mistaken. Go with your strengths. For example, strength can translate into wrestling, explosive power is a rare gift for boxing, good physical measurements aids in muay thai, and size means powerful dirty boxing, catch wrestling, and BJJ. If you're a small dude you can try wing chun. Good luck finding a legit instructor though.

Anyways, back on topic. Weidman the All-American has fine technical striking that he can adjust to fight any opponent but as stated above, athleticism is a gift. Romero, steroids or not, as that gift and one mistake on Weidmans part resulted in a flying knee and 2 pints of blood squirting out.

Souza is one of my favorite fighters, I wish him the best of luck, but if he still doesn't get a title shot after beating Tim (obvious), he should consider going to Bellator.

Finally we get to Mousasi. At 31 years old he has already compiled a more than respectable record of 41-6-2 against all sorts of opponents. Even Mark Hunt. When you look at his record though, half his losses were current, and against current UFC fighters like the Gator Souza and the Dragon Machida.

Whittaker didn't display anything worth while in his most recent bout, so that leaves no one.

In conclusion, exciting fighters, but needs a Brock Lesnar to raise the bar.

Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, and Bantamweight

One word describes four weight classes; STACKED. Woodley, Garbrandt, Aldo and McGregor are four champs who are definite championship material. All exciting fighters. Aldo stands at 5'7 and walks around at 170 lbs, hardly a small guy and Cody is an inch taller, at least 160. Not really of much importance to me, but there are people who actually think they stand a chance against the smaller fighters. Nope, you don't. Bantamweight doesn't mean they walk around at 135, more like at least 25 lbs more. Like Dom, who walks around at more than 160. The only UFC fighters most gym going alpha males actually have a slight chance against are the Flyweights.

PS: This is just to let people know where they stand. Most big guys are only interested in Welterweights and above because they actually think they have a chance against guys like McGregor and Aldo. Not because big muscles means fatigue, which it does but only to a certain extent. You have to be Ronnie Coleman sized to even begin making that ridiculous argument. Maybe I should make a blog about that, later.


One dominate champion who only lost twice, and the most recent to Dom. One Olympic gold medalist who lost twice, one to the champ. One guy who beat the gold medalist, yet lost twice as well, both to the champ. And one Japanese dude who lost once, to the champ.

I love this division, it's fun, it's powerful, but at the same time, it's the only division that most people can compare themselves to. If most people can do this.

Here's the shocking part. Most flyweights walk around at 150 (Benavidez) to 155 (Cejudo). Only the champ is at 137. Two of them stand at 5'3. Benavidez is one inch taller. So when the guys over at bodybuilding.com were talking about a 6'0 220 lb giant vs a featherweight MMA fighter (145), they are actually talking about a flyweight. Funny thing is, they know they can't beat a UFC 'featherweight', so they made him a "trained MMA fighter". BUT, depending on the fighters style, they can actually win a few fights.

Oh yeah, there is nothing to say about this division. MM is reigning supreme, and will continue to do so. Only the TUF S24 winner could challenge him. The thing is, that fighter can't cut to flyweight anymore, and will fight at bantamweight now.


Lucifer Morningstar Debunked; Real Power Level (BONUS: Michael)

Perhaps I am just stupid, but I do not feel right making a half assed attempt at a post. If anyone want to see the crappy original, here it is as a constant reminder to not be lazy. This time, I will use my full ass. By the way, the original post was a mess, but if anyone want a theory of how the Yahweh became omnipotent, it is there. The evidence to support that is in a post somewhere below when someone tried to 'debunk' it, and I had to retaliate using scans.

Now, this blog of mine will be a look at Lucifer Morningstar's power level and nothing else, no history, no going off on a tangent, nothing. And there will be scans. Also, because the 2015 Lucifer issues made by that woman does not really follow the original to a tee, that will be ignored, and so will the New 52 version of him. This is the original Lucifer.

How to Read This

It will be an essay like blog, with the incorrect perception and assumptions highlighted in bold. This makes for easier reading. If you are looking for a specific thing, find the bold text and it will be easier to find the paragraph that talks about that specific thing.

Lucifer Morningstar

Who is Lucifer?

Along with Michael Demiurgos and Gabriel, Lucifer is the first son of Yahweh, the undisputed lord of DC.

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Together, they created DCU. Note here that although Michael still made the foundation of everything, but Lucifer was not the one who made it into the universe. Gabriel did his thing after the worlds were created so the actual maker we do not know. I think it might be Yahweh himself, who turned the Demiurgic power into the various concepts seeing as here, Lucifer referred to him as the maker, and again, where Lucifer called Destiny a side effect of Yahweh:

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So now we know who created the original DCU. This is important seeing as if things did happen the way people believed it, Mike Carey (TOAA) created the Void and Yahweh, who created Michael and Lucifer, who created DCU, then Lucifer's standing would immediately skyrocket. He would have been the one who shaped the Demirugic power into concepts like Time and Night, nigh omnipotent super entities like The Source, and then could easily match the PR Beyonder in power, as shown in my debate with JwwProd.

Another thing we believed in is that Lucifer is an aspect of God, namely his will. That is not true. The angels are not made of matter, but of energy, light. This is shown here

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Now, I cannot help but take a jap at Cruel, the person who originally tried to debunk me. Here is his statement:

Lucifer did not create DC Creation. He has never even made a universe inside it. What actually happened, was that Yahweh created existence. Michael created the first matter,

That isn't true either. Is Michael himself not matter?

Yeah, debunk me when you literally missed two whole pages of Lucifer and do not know what angels are made of. Anyway, the angels are made of light, but Lucifer is made of will. Not Gods, his own. I mean, if he was the will of God, his power level would immediately be even higher than before. If the Vengeance of God, the Spectre, is that powerful when understood by Hal, how can anyone hope to harm the Will of God? We know he is made of will because he bled will. Michael bled power, but that does not mean he is the Power of God, which will make him even more impervious to harm and Sandalphon would never have been able to capture him. He bled power because he is the vessel for Gods power. Here is that scan where they bled;

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Lucifer's feats, and his real power level

Those mistakes were easy to make, primarily because Lucifer, even not being the divine will of God, even not being the maker of DCU, he is still crazy powerful. Morpheus called him the finest of all Gods creations. The most powerful. How is this not Michael? Because anything short of an omnipotent cannot kill him. The most anyone can do is use his own devastating power against him and even then he was stuck between life and death. I am sure I do not need to post the scans where he met death. Michael might be able to put him there, but knowing Lucifer, he already will have people so loyal they will sacrifice themselves to save him, although normal beings are far too weak to even do that.

But what are his best feats? One of them is still being able to watch a Creation being made, and copying it, turning the Demirugic power into time and space and matter and energy all by using his will. Making dimensions and realms and a universe that is a multiverse.

Another one is being able to tank a Creation destroying blast unharmed at full power. This blast is not like Monarchs (besides the scale of course). This blast will wipe out all that exists, leaving nothing behind. Note he not only tanked it, but did so easily, then reformed Michael and created his totality.

His best destruction feat is being able to destroy The Logos, the words of God which are eternal and can never fade. I would put this feat above the two others because at his level, generating power enough to make a Creation, a totality is nothing, seeing as all he did was make regular concepts and a multiverse. Here he actually destroyed the words of God, a far more powerful thing than a concept such as time or death. The first word God spoke gained sentience and was powerful enough that the Spectre was afraid to interfere in his work, and although the Spectre was Gods wrath, the Word was more like LT in that he is the one who keeps the peace and makes sure nothing disturbs God and his creation. Lucifer's Lightbringer flames are powerful enough to destroy concepts like that.

THIS is how powerful Lucifer really is. Incinerating light, making suns, defying death.

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I promised a peak into Michael Demiurgos, and here it is. Nothing major, just a few statements and one feat, because this is not about him.

Michael Demirugos is easily the most powerful being in DCU, second only to Yahweh himself. This is including the Source because although he made matter, his power level is easily greater than anyones. He has fought the Spectre on more than 3 occasions and has bested him at his best without even using the Demiurgic power, which he has almost never used in combat even against the Titan brothers. Here is a peak into his power but know that this is only the tip of the iceberg:

There were powerful beings in Lucifers army. Beings like trigon and Neron are only minor demon lords, hell lords like the ones that Spectre struggle against and fight with planets are still minor demons lords. Azazel and a lot more were there. almost a third of heaven, all the demons of hell, and all the lilim together cannot match Michael if he decided to use Gods power. Gods raw power was his. If Lucifer had this kind of raw undiluted might, nobody in any comic would be a match for him.

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But that is only normal for Michael, his best are elsewhere.

PS: Another thing

Seems like some people believe that because of this, Grant Morrison is weaker than Lucifer, and they have a good argument.

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Basically, the argument can be explained with an example; Stan Lee has appeared in every Marvel movie ever made, yet Thor can stomp his head into his chest. That is Stan Lee. Or more accurately, that is a representation of Stan Lee. A writer can write himself to be run over by a car, never to appear again. That makes the representation of the writer weak. He can choose to either do that, or go the opposite way and make himself the TOAA. Whichever one he chooses, the representation still has a link to the writer. If the representation dies, the story does not end because the real deal is still there. He can create that because logic is useless when you are above the comic definition of omnipotent, and get to writer level. He can write himself into any situation. You can call the representation weak because it is, but at the same time the concept behind the representation is still powerful beyond measure. That is omnipotence. They can make a scissor cut something without the handles touching but they can still define it as straight and use their writer powers to make it so. They can make a character so powerful they cannot beat but at the same time they can beat him. They can also create a situation where a writer and Nancy Crew are standing at the end of a tunnel, and Mr. Hands is walking towards them. The three people are equally tall, yet a writer can make is so that in the next scene he is picking up Mr. Hands with two fingers, yet Mr. Hands will still be the same size as Nancy who is still standing next to the writer. THAT is the concept of complete omnipotence.

Although that is not the case here so everything I wrote above is not an argument but a statement of what omnipotence is, and Grant Morrison has already established that he is all powerful. He defined death....

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...as being something he wrote to make a comic interesting.

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