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@zafros13: In all of those examples, the characters had other skills or powers though. Cap got demolished by Thanos (until he got the hammer), Loki has other abilities (and also trained with thor for ...

@zafros13: Beating Jessica in a 1v1 really isn't that impressive, I mean, yes, she is strong, but Murikami also had enhanced strength COMBINED with the extra skill. That really isn't a fight he should...

@zafros13: Okay idk why comicvine isn't giving me notifications, but it's really annoying lmao.Yeah I do think Matt has a stamina advantage, but only because we haven't seen Shang be in a fight long e...

@akz: I agree that he wins, but let's not pretend that this is gonna be easy lol. Oliver has beat the Flash in-universe, beat Ras Al Ghul, crushed some of the most skilled named DC fighters around, et...

@rbt: Just gonna start this by saying that the quote feature is being weird so I'm just gonna try to respond to the paragraphs and break them apart. Also I didn't see your notification, sorry for the ...

@zafros13: Oh I don't have a low opinion of Danny's strength, I just think that Matt is probably a little bit physically stronger than him. Danny is very strong, Matt is just very, very rough and very...

@zafros13: I wouldn't use Matt beating Danny/saying he has experience of Kung Fu as anything really important though. There are A. multiple styles/schools of Kung Fu that all involve different techniq...

@rbt: Alright I can reply to the TL:DR.Strength factors into striking. Obviously there are other factors, such as form, physics, where you hit them, etc., but strength absolutely factors in. This can ...

@zafros13: Yeah he was definitely more skilled by Defenders than he was at S2, but I didn't mean he got tagged a lot in the Hallway fights, cause yeah it is fair that he always had some previous injur...

@zafros13: I'm not counting wind power for this fight, just talking through straight up skill, that would just make him too powerful imo. And in the movie, he also punched/kicked people hard enough to...

@frozen: 100% agreed. He also had the whole "leveling up" scene afterwards when he learned the ancient martial art (is it actually called Wuxia in the film?). Either way, Matt is out of his depth for ...

Defenders R1Shang R2Shang can handle Matt, Danny, and Jessica fairly easily in a 1v1, idk how he'd do against Luke. Danny was able to beat him and so was Elektra, so I assume Shang would be able to ha...

@zafros13: Shang Chi doesn't just use Wing Chun. He uses traditional Kung Fu. His striking didn't use the Wing Chun method for the majority of the time, but he did at some points. Kung Fu implements m...

@frozen: Do people actually count the fight against his sister? There was literally a moment in the fight when Shang could have won lmao. He wasn't even trying to fight her.

@rbt: Except Oliver beat him in the finale. After being through hell.In the finale? He got dominated for the entire fight and then they had a brawl after being pushed to his limits where they both thr...

If this is the original thread for this, I'll post my argument here. Shang takes this handily, as much as I love Matt. Matt is constantly tagged by fodder, constantly coming out of fights bloodied, br...

@rbt: It isn't a weird comparison, I said when he didn't use TK. Oliver lost almost every single fight to him due to his enhanced strength. He managed to out-fight him one time when he had his magic. ...

I think Oliver just has so many feats that it's really hard to tell. I think Shang is definitely more skilled than Oliver (or any other CW-Verse fighter for that matter), but he doesn't really have th...

R1: Shang dominates.R2: I'm conflicted on this one. I think it could go either way. Shang beat his dad with all the rings in this state so I think he'd have a shot here. Could go 50/50. T'Challa has t...

I'd back Shang to win this even without the rings. He was able to beat his father (someone who is easily more impressive than Bucky) while depowered. I don't think Bucky has had to fight someone who j...