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Surfer's powers come from Power Cosmic
Takion's powers come from The Source

The Source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Power Cosmic

Surfer is Galactus's Herald (one of his many heralds)
Takion is the Herald of The Source and spiritually connected with The Highfather (who is equal to Real Darkseid).

Also, he once showed that he can literally nullify Green Lantern Powers. So that puts him above Guardians and even ION.
He is also able to manipulate "Godwave" which is the same wave that shaped new gods (including Highfather and Darkseid), old gods, pantheons and meta humans ?!


Godwave >> Power Cosmic


He literally toyed with Captain Atom, Wally West, and Kyle Rayner in the same time while he wasn't trying to fight. The same team has a solid shot against SS.
Also, cuz of his connection to the source he is able to drain/manipulate Captain Atom's "Quantum Fields" , Flash's "Speed Force" and like I said Rayner's "Lantern Power".

Cuz , The Source is "literally" "The Source" of all these concepts.

And top of all that; he can manipulate Time to high degree. He does not travel through like Flash, he can manipulate instantly more like Time Trapper.

So just in terms of "concept" Takion is something close to Galactus rather than Surfer.


And in terms of Scaling Takion stated as stronger than both Darkseid and Highfather. This alone puts him in the same league with Galactus.

And he can murk SS with literally no diff ?

SS is at his best Galaxy+ leveler.

Takion is at least nigh-multiversal if he tries to be. And even w/o trying he is universal+.

Takion literally can do anything Surfer can and do it better. And he has a better energy source than him. And he has extra powers above SS too.

So actually Takion Vs Galactus would be an interesting one, not Takion Vs Silver Surfer.

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@maulsmacker:That's true but even w/o that feat, even if he never showed up in War Arc, due to the sheer portrayal we have to consider him as one of the better kages.

That's what I'm saying. Portrayal sometimes beats scaling within the verse.

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@maulsmacker: That's true but even w/o that feat, even if he never showed up in War Arc, due to the sheer portrayal we have to consider him as one of the better kages.

That's what I'm saying. Portrayal sometimes beats scaling within the verse.

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Well all of'em important but for matches between different verses feats becomes the most important cuz this time each combatant will be outside of the narration in their verses.

But if we talk about in the sameverse then "Portrayal" becomes the most important thing. Feats, Statements, Intents all have to be compatible with the Character's portrayal.

Feats, Acheivements, Accolades, Statements, Narrations all together build a "portrayal" for a certain character. And that has to be believable , has to be compatible and logical.

Also, Portrayal always beats scaling
For example; due to Narration 3rd Hokage were the strongest (before retcon) but his feats didnt live up good enough for the late time of the series (like shippuden and war arcs).

But cuz of his portrayal and cuz of statemetns even tho lack of recent feats we have to accept that he is at least stronger than many low to mid kage levelers due to sheer amount of portrayal.

But if we take Hiruzen out of Narutoverse and force him to fight someone from another comic/manga verse then the fact that how important he is in his verse becomes irrelevant. Then we really need feats and scaling.

In verse -> Clear Portrayal >> Feats >= Statements (if they're compatible with the portrayal, like not hyperbolic, if they're hyperbolic then statements means shit) >= General Narration of the stuff (which is intent) >> WoG

between verses -> Feats>> Scaling >= Statements = Intent=Portrayal > WoG

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@thevivas: Thx for the heads up. Great work as usual.

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@omega7373663: That's not the instant effect of the attack tho. Burst Damage/Destruction =/= Conventional Envoiremental Damage

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Boruto Scaling -> Any Viltrumite can solo boruto verse
Naruto Scaling -> It could go to either way but too much Hax on Naruto side...Otsutsuki high to extreme diffs MVP Hagoromo

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Any member of Endless as a concept and hierarchy very above Phoneix Force. And Death is one of the strongest members of The Endless. Death stomps.

If we consider only the highest end of feats for Phoneix Force then this might be a fight. But if we're gonna consider entire thing (composite kinda) then Death really stomps.

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Mother Flame at best a big Island leveler. And Also, we dont know if Mother Flame erase the area (like ignoring convential durability of the matter) or it's destroying via energy output ?

And we also dont know it's max capacity. It used for a mid level Island at best. But I dont think this is it's max potential.

So I'm having some hard time to adjust the value of Mother Flame in terms of AP and DC. Cuz there are so many unknown factors.

ON the other hand u guys aint offering any specific attack of Juubi, you just say "Juubi" ? That includes it's all arsenal ?

Then Juubi toys with Mother Flare in terms of feat vs feat contest.

War Arc's DC & AP higher ups kinda too much for the current OP that includes Mother Flame. We need more of that for better comparison.