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Lol. People try to boost Thanos with just saying "He is scales above Thor and Hulk".

Well, yes he is but what MCU Hulk and MCU Thor are ? If you're gonna consider their low end and high end feats . Their average is nearly closer to Tai Lung already.

Yes Thor tanked a dwarf star barely for a moment and yes Hulk busted multiple hillsides.

But same Thor restrained with taser gun (after having Odin's powers and become King Thor lol) and same Hulk knocked down by Captain America.

Soo ? MCU Thor and MCU Hulk not much of a different thread compare to Tai Lung . and in terms of physicality probably Tai Long even better.

And many feats that shown before for Thanos there wasn't any point that Thanos ain't had power stone. Which boosts his durability and strength.

But we're talking about his base. Even Captain America stand still against 5 Stone Thanos (including power stone) for a couple splitseconds. And Tai Long is way way way way above cap's league.

People just wanna talk about "high end feats" when its comes to MCU. They've terrible low end feats too.

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This topic needs to be closed. Its stupid.


Monster Garou never happened in the manga. It only happened in web comic.

And OPM Manga >>>>>>>>>>>> OPM Webcomic in terms of power scales. Webcomic Garou (even his monster form) ain't much of a thing for Naruto verse. And Base Garou even less.

If you're talking about current Garou (who started his monsterization) in the manga. He is impressive but he is no where near to solo Naruto verse.

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Prime AM >>> Current Shigaraki >= Pre-Retirement AM

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Geryuganshoop declared as a powerful dragon level. Fubuki is not even at demon level yet.

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Boruto chars so nefred and crammed compare to the final arc of NAruto.

Isshiki has no chance at all.

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Escanor has better burst power and busting features. Also physicaly stronger too.

But all other stats will go for Minato. Kyuubi Chakra Cloak is more durable, Minato is far faster (even w/o FTG), Minato is smarter, more versatile, more hax (via FTG; Bijuu Dama and Sealing Jutsus and have access to Gama Rinsho) and more intelligent.

He can even send Escanor's attacks to Escanor again.

Minato is just far more resourceful in the end.

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@namesclassified:They're teens or young adults at most and Hanzo was declaring as the best of his era(probably only second to Hİruzen or even equal with that) . Tsunade aint had sozo saizei or byakugo, no edo tensei and maximum regen for oroc, no sm and rasengan for Jiraiya. And they're not at their prime. And yet they're become the heroes of 2nd Great Ninja War.

Even Pain/Nagato aint immediately attacked Hanzo when Nagato had all that power. First beated his troops, family and turn Hanzo to a sick, paranoid man. And then they killed him in his weakest condition in terms of both mentaly and physicaly. And Thats why his edo version were so weak. Which implemented by Mifune how much dull Hanzo become.

And with this logic. Kakashi's ass whope by Zabuza, Almost Blind MS Sasuke, Kakuzu, Deva Path and some others too. And aint able to Handle Hidan. And Gai required 6G against %30 Copy Kisame .. So ? Now Kakashi or Gai aint deserve their titles ? Or those titlles aint mean anything ? Kakashi's sharingan no kakashi title also about a big L. He "lost" his uchiha friend. And he gave his eye. So what ?

Its not the about their "name" but the respect, fame and power behind that name what was mattering for shinobi world.

Nice trolling try

@zuriel-el: Yeah exactly. But at least Itachi realy was a something.

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I aint gonna participate within any ignorant, nitpicking, knowledge lacking debate anymore. Just read the manga properly.

And Power Scalings =/= Last 200 Chapter feats

Its also about all 700 chapter portrayals, reputations, track records, acheivements, accomplishments, Databook implements and feats. And even Hypes for some cases.

Nitpicking and manipulating the actual canonical facts, not healthy. And im not gonna keep debating in unhealthy conversation.

REad the damn manga.

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@wushu59 said:

Pain's praising Jiraya doesn't change his poor performance. Kakashi had the same amount of intel and performed better due to intelligence.

This is the part that i stop taking u seriously. Cuz this is pure bias and its not canonicaly true.

1st Jiraiya's performance wasnt "poor". In fact Obito + Pain + Black Zetsu (true leaders of Akatsuki) all praised Jiraiya against Pain.

2nd Kakashi had far far better intel against Pain and Rinnegan and he had support too. And he died. And Kakashi's himself described what Jiraiya did against Pain under those circumstances as "Crazy" .

So due to both Pain (and basicaly all upper tier akatsuki members) and Kakashi , Jiraiya >> PA Kakashi with full intel + support.

3rd Jiraiya was a very intelligent dude. Not as Kakashi but not far from him that enough to make a huge difference.

Lol :D There is no such thing as "old statements" this series is a full story with every part of it. The Narutoverse =/= Only War Arc.

Such wanker :D OMG. Im done with u .

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@zuriel-el: Thank you dude. For your objectivity.

@wushu59 said:

Itachi was a double agent and didn't want to kill Jiraya.

Kisame by himself would have gave Jiraya a hard time. Him being unsure doesn't mean he would lose badly.

He was handling a cloaked Killer B. Jiraya almost got killed by 4 Cloak Naruto

Jiraya would beat Kisame 1 v 1 High Dif at best.

Pain praised Kakashi as well and wouldn't dare come near him before final blow.

Everything else you said was fine. Sannin & Kakashi / Guy are near the same weight class toward the end of the series.

Obviously Sannin > Part 1 Kakashi & Guy....

But we aren't talking about Part 1 or BoS Shippudden.

1st Itachi did want to kill Asuma and Kurenai and capture Kakashi. And both put Kakashi and Sasuke under kinda vegetative state and only one who can heal'em was missing and no one know where she was.

So Kakashi's double agency =/= not gonna hurt. Per canon. And the author never stated in that way. So this is your implementing.

2nd lol Kisame's himself said "Im no match for him". He can be a trouble for Jiraiya when he is basicaly one panelled by Jiraiya per canon and saved by Itachi's MS jutsu (amaterasu) :D Stop bending the manga.

Pain praised Kakashi as an "dangerous foe" not as an "direct threat who can defeat'em" . ITs different. With your logic Konohamaru defeated a Path and Kakashi defeated a path then they're close equals ? NOO. You cant take things w/o their context. Both Obito and Pain praised Jiraiya as a direct threat to Akatsuki and %70 of the Akatsuki portrayed inferior to him.

And same kakashi in the same pain fight still praising Jiraiya as someone who is beyond his reach.

Nope they aint in the same tier in the end of the series xD Not even close.

So facepalm to you Sir.