@sixpathsofcapra: It's outdated cuz I'm on hold to manga, Not reading for a while, I wanna read a big bunch after some stacking, then I can update this.
Wonder Woman didn't get the buff only from Manhattan tho, it's not clear that she can beat Perpetua and also not clear that she can beat Perpetua with only Manhattan's buff.
WW had buff from Quintisence via Hera too and a couple of other godly sources. So we aint %100 sure how big Manhattan's part is on it. It's big but how big, it's not clear.
And about BWL equaling Perpetua, again his power source wasn't only Manhattan also due to his nature he always grows, gets better, and evolves after all clashes he is been thru. Like an unstoppable force.
Also, that's totally my opinion but I always accept Rebirth's cosmic hierarchy and Rebirth's crisis as much weaker than other Era's. It was a terrible take on DC's cosmology imo.
And actually, Dark Crisis kinda corrected me cuz even chars like BWL and Perpetua had no impact on that story.
DC sadly keeps producing dozens of characters that have similar jobs/purposes for different arcs.
I mean Perpetua was Pralaya in New 52 and Pralaya actually kinda Great Darkness's depiction of New 52. And at the end of Rebirth (Infinite Survivor process), Great Darkness come back to business again.
They showcase Manhattan as the architect of the new multiverse for once but that role belonged to Synnar back then. So it's all messed up.
Thx for these fair and good questions man. And I know ur opinion are fax ^^
Thx, all of'em are really questionable. So it makes sense that you're asking over'em.
1st Manhattan is inconsistent. In 1scene he was like the grandmaster of the cosmos but in the other scene, he acts like he was also drifted by others to his position. Spooked about Superman, spooked about The Man Who Laughs (when he didn't even have all the power). And also how he caused New 52 kinda portrayed like he didn't shape it but he manipulated key features and he portrayed it like he did all those by implication.
Also, Rebirth's cosmic power scalings were terrible in general. It was inconsistent and Dr. Manhattan takes his part from it.
But again it's all subjective of course This is just my opinion.
2nd for the last 20-30 years he lacks lots of feats and portrayals I'm aware of it. But I know this in fact;
In Comics with huge verses (like DC, and Marvel) power scalings and cosmic hierarchy always get smashed, shattered, and reshape. So that's why except for 2,3 characters (or concepts) the rest of 'em always will be open to debate.
But how someone is portrayed and how he related to a specific cause/goal/fact in the cosmos sometimes can be only data to place someone on the hierarchy.
Trigon is a cosmic abstract. He is paradimensional. And his old portrayal puts him above average monitors with 80s Spectre.
But Yes he might downgrade on this list a bit. I didn't update for a while.
3rd. Empty Hand was a meta-physical tool for Morrison's run. And Morrison's concepts are generally outliers and semi-canons (like his all Final Crisis events). Also, his general idea about the deconstruction of DC's classic hierarchy kinda bites other creators on their backs in the process.
We saw, Empthy Hand, Dark Monitor in other stories (Empthy Hand is very recent on Dark Crisis and Dark Monitor was in Rebirth it was a bug compared to Perpetua and TMWL in that run).
That's why I don't think Empty Hand has a distinctive place among higher-ups in DC. At least not consistently.
4th. Actually, I slept on it, I'll check that later. :D
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