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I don't hate Slott because that would require more effort from me than his writing deserves. No point getting too mad about Slott's writing when it's obvious he doesn't even put any effort into his writing.

He's a very boring and extremely lazy writer.

He probably doesn't even want to write Spider-Man, he's only sticking around for the money and a chance to promote his new characters who are about as interesting as drying paint when he writes them. He's too lazy to even try developing them. He does a crap job and lets a competent writer try to make something passable from garbage. Meanwhile he'll get the credit as their creator if they get popular.

Slott is a lazy hack and a fraud. His writing is not worth anyone's time.

WELL SAID.

Your statement is something fresh when criticizing Slott. Well done and very true. Sadly his disrespect for Spider Man really gets to me and many others so he's not easy to ignore no matter what.

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@zariusii: yeah. I listened to the whole podcast, but he also said before that everything before BND happened so I suspect he is still developing the world and will then write the lore. That or he is testing what works and what doesnt....or editors told him no

then screw the editors. Damn Quesada is still tampering with everything. He has a Gwen fetish right? No wonder Gwen has risen to prominence in recent years. Spider Gwen, another Gwen clone, the Jackal (though I like this Jackal). Gwen is DEAD. Let her RIP.

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@ursaber: I FRIGGIN KNEW IT! THE PARKERS WERE SWAPPED!!!

You can check it out for yourself in the Marvel Comics Database. i found it while I was reading Dormammu's page and how he was stronger than Mephisto. Then I compared their powers and Mephisto's stated he had reality warping. One of the examples was that he wove in another universe into Earth 616. That other universe Earth 81545 (545 as in ASM 545, don't know about the 81 designation though) is where the OMD deal took place.

Basically OMD's final issue took place in that other universe and now Peter and MJ live concurrently in Earth 616 but their personal reality is Earth 81545. Peter and MJ are inhabiting two universes at once? This is so messed up. A pity Marvel will never acknowledge this today.

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@zariusii: im at issue 6. I only started yesterday. I really like the writing and the simple but detailed art. Its very clear and cartoony but mostly anatomically correct.

As for the newspaper strip, DAMN! I guess Stan started this when he ended his run of ASM huh.

I remember that when they were to marry there were real life actors who got portrayed their marriage at a stadium. Some kind of massive publicity stunt. It was awesome!

Any idea where I can find the newspaper strip wedding?

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@zariusii: indeed. I've also began to read the Spider Man newspaper strip thanks to my 7 day trial in comicskingdom.com. Its really fun and enjoyable. And I love the classic art style though Peter sometimes looks wierd. I just finished Peter and MJ framing a crooked lawyer for sexual harassment in order to clear Robbie of his own frame up. MJ wanting to help and Peter finally letting her was awesome. If I don't finish the 900 so pages of strips in seven days I'm definitely getting the full membership.

Also I've started reading Invincible and its also really cool.

Awesome to hear you're getting into Invincible. That book is heading into it's final days now, but boy is it a load of fun going back and reading some of the truly gut-wrenching crap Mark and Eve have gone through...they've went through worse ordeals than Peter and MJ ever have and still stay together despite all of it, with a few close calls here and there. They're one of my favorite pairings. Interestingly enough, Eve also has a leg injury similar to MC2 Peter.

I haven't read that Newspaper strip story you mention, I should get a subscription sometime. I started reading it in late 2008 when Jonah was trying to date someone with ties to the mob.

Spoiler alert man. Though its very hard to believe a couple having it much worse than Peter and MJ cause those two have been through hell and back. And what do you mean its coming to an end. Is it going to be cancelled?

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When I started my free trial today it let me go back all the way to the beginning. The strip has been going on since 1998 and I'm current;y in August 1999. Its super fun to read about Peter and MJ again as a couple with not too many dark elements or moments. Though i'm still just beginning.

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@zariusii: indeed. I've also began to read the Spider Man newspaper strip thanks to my 7 day trial in comicskingdom.com. Its really fun and enjoyable. And I love the classic art style though Peter sometimes looks wierd. I just finished Peter and MJ framing a crooked lawyer for sexual harassment in order to clear Robbie of his own frame up. MJ wanting to help and Peter finally letting her was awesome. If I don't finish the 900 so pages of strips in seven days I'm definitely getting the full membership.

Also I've started reading Invincible and its also really cool.

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ALERT ALERT.

I just found something really interesting.

In OMD, Mephisto "wove in" the Earth-81545 reality into Earth-616. Earth-81545 is the reality where they actually sold their marriage to the devil meaning that the Earth 616 outcome of Peter and MJ saying no is still out there somewhere. BTW this is not the What If Peter and MJ never got married. That's actually Earth-901220.

KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS. THE MEPHISTOVERSE IS TRUE. I MEAN I ALWAYS BELIEVED IT TO BE TRUE BUT NOW I'VE CONFIRMED IT WITHOUT A DOUBT. PETER AND MJ'S PERSONAL REALITY IS A FALSE ONE WITHIN THE MARRED EARTH 616 REALITY. ITS ALL FAKE!!

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@marvelman92 said:

It Has Been Confirmed Multiple Times That Peter Said No To Mephisto . I Think Conway Is Either Stalling Us Or Just Wants To Make Sure RYV And 616 Are Very Different So It Can Lead Into An Event Having The Real Peter, MJ, And Their Daughter Into The 616 Universe And Have Some Of The Things In Those Events Happen.

I truly hope so.

Quesada is still creative officer or something and I'm afraid he's going to mess things up.

And I think what was confirmed was that the events of OMD never took place not specifically that Peter and MJ refused the devil. If there was never an OMD then there was never a devil deal. Though I could be wrong.

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@marvelman92: Well MJ could still be mad at Tony for other reasons...since the point of divergence is "no Civil War" we can fall back on the other interactions she had with him before then, as they were living in Avengers tower well before Civil War, and MJ was once mistaken for having an affair with Tony by the Paperazi in that time, so there would still be existing tension.

It could also be possible Conway doesn't want to spoil anything and might be engaging in a bit of misdirection(I HOPE SO! If this guy gives me what happened when Peter and MJ refused Mephisto, I will buy his comics forever). We still don't know what happened to Aunt May. If there was no Civil War, that means no public unmasking, and that means May wasn't shot, so where is she? (In RYV1 during Secret Wars, its revealed that she dies, probably of natural causes. I believe that Aunt May and Peter's child occupy the same space in existence. One has to die so the other can exist. This is something that's been going on in my head since Clone Saga. I mean baby May died but Aunt May was alive. And then the OMD fiasco).

True.

But he did say that everything post BND occurred in the same way but with the main difference being that Peter and MJ remained married and some other slight differences. Maybe she ended up working for Tony Stark like in Invincible Iron Man but they had a falling out and she quit.

The paparazzi thing is a good callback but remember that it was Tony himself who handled the situation and resolved it. Plus it was Tony who welcomed them into Stark Tower following the destruction of Peter's apartment and Aunt May's home. Tony was an awesome and likable character pre Civil War and really cared about his friends and teammates, so I don't think that's the reason MJ rebuffed him in the second RYV backup story.

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@animehunter What does he say about OMD specifically? I listened to the whole thing and he doesn't mention anything about that story specifically, but instead explains why there is no need for Brand New Day

So now the story is RYV takes place in a world where the original Civil War never occurred? I know @ursaber is going to be pretty ticked off at that given all of the expectations he had about the book and what it could follow up on. It also means we still don't have an ideal Spider-Man universe where all of that Civil War-BND history survived but the marriage remained intact....I suppose this was to distinguish it from the future promised by the One-Above-All where Peter and MJ would have their kids Mary and Benjy.

Ah well, it will not affect my enjoyment of RYV at all.

Well... shit. That's a letdown. I guess Marvel will never let up. Neither Conway nor Marvel want to deal with Marvel's greatest mistake and so Conway has fabricated a true alternate reality and not a what if Peter and MJ refused the devil.

That is a massive BUMMER cause I really wanted to find out just how Peter and MJ got on with their lives following their refusal of Mephisto, you know. A true continuation of Spider Man's story and JMS' epic run.

What is it with Marvel being too chicken to address their timeline and keep up consistency. I understand what Conway is doing, he doesn't want to get burdened by past events and just wants to tell a Spider Man story. Although maybe Conway doesn't want to say too much because maybe he has something in the works.

Would it kill them to give me an illustration of Peter and MJ refusing Mephisto and a couple of panels narrating what happened afterwards and how RYV came to happen. RYV2 is truly a more direct sequel to RYV1 because I guess they follow the same timeline of events even if slightly altered.

Though on the plus side, Civil War is the event that caused Marvel to be the way it is today with heroes fighting each other en masse and that's a played off theme. If Civil War never happened then the superhero community is dandy. Conway just decided to skip through all those past events which right now are pretty irrelevant given Marvel constantly spawning new initiatives like Marvel NOW, All New Marvel NOW, etc.

I guess I'm the one who's gonna have to answer that question himself. I'm gonna have to write a fan fiction about how things would've progressed if Peter and MJ refused the devil in that crucial moment during One More Day. I'll answer questions like:

  • After refusing Mephisto, what became of Aunt May? She certainly died but was she buried or left in the care of Jarvis?
  • Peter and MJ on the run from registration forces. Maybe they joined up with Luke's Avengers. Or maybe they encountered Teresa Parker early on and she helped them.
  • The circumstances of Annie's birth and Peter getting his secret identity back
  • The Parker Family during World War Hulk, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign and Siege. How Superior Spider Man would've played out if Peter was married and with Annie. Spider Verse avoided.
  • Parker Industries would never have been founded. Peter remained a either a teacher or a photographer. If he became a photographer then I would make him into a truly Pro Photographer, some kind of celebrity photojournalist on high demand and for hire at decent wages.

Tell me, do you guys think we will ever have One More Day retconned in mainstream continuity?

Well, RYV is still an awesome enjoyable Spider Man book in comparison to anything else. Even if its not exactly what I wanted (and I hardly ever get what I want) its at least a reality where Peter and MJ are married, the devil deal never took place and he didn't have to unmask. On top of it all they have a cute and awesome daughter and Peter is a well developed adult.

A wise man once said: “Success is getting what you want. Happiness is liking what you get.”