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@rdcdesmond: sorry for the late reply. Got busy with stuff. thanks for the rebuttal post! I hope we can keep this civil and nice! I will now respond accordingly.

"The human world isn’t a universe it’s planet earth with a moon." This is wrong. In cfyow it's verbatim stated https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769627757465436190/802443621180637205/yay.PNG

“If the world of the living and the Soul Society could be likened to planets and the pipeline that connected them were Dangai, the void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta.”

Breaking down this statement it says “If [these realms] could be likened to planets… the void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta.” The words if and could are used here to indicate a metaphor, because the Garganta is not the void of space. We know that from the Gremmy fight https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/807854530443739176/0578-007.jpg thanks for the rebuttal post! I hope we can keep this civil and nice! I will now respond accordingly.

"The human world isn’t a universe it’s planet earth with a moon." This is wrong. In cfyow it's verbatim stated https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769627757465436190/802443621180637205/yay.PNG

“If the world of the living and the Soul Society could be likened to planets and the pipeline that connected them were Dangai, the void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta.”

Breaking down this statement it says “If [these realms] could be likened to planets… the void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta.” The words if and could are used here to indicate a metaphor, because the Garganta is not the void of space. We know that from the Gremmy fight thanks for the rebuttal post! I hope we can keep this civil and nice! I will now respond accordingly.

"The human world isn’t a universe it’s planet earth with a moon." This is wrong. In cfyow it's verbatim stated https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/769627757465436190/802443621180637205/yay.PNG

“If the world of the living and the Soul Society could be likened to planets and the pipeline that connected them were Dangai, the void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta.”

Breaking down this statement it says “If [these realms] could be likened to planets… the void of space that surrounded those was called Garganta.” The words if and could are used here to indicate a metaphor, because the Garganta is not the void of space. We know that from the Gremmy fight https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/807854530443739176/0578-007.jpg Shinigami can’t breathe in space yet we see here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514958544500686898/807854694709985310/0241-001.jpg Ichigo breathing just fine within Garganta and we know the garganta is just a chaotic void of reishi that encompasses the bleach realms. So claim the realms are planets would also claim Garganta is outer space, which is factually incorrect. Thus, this is a simple metaphor used to explain how Bleach cosmology functions. It is essentially saying the realms are these spherical structures (like planets) that float around within the Garganta (like how planets float in space); however, they are not actual planets, as Garganta is not literal space.

Now I'll be covering your toshiro point where you are referring to the whole hoshi thing https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863591946467016724/MoN_Toshiro_refers_to_WotL_and_SS_as_hoshi_planets.JPG this wrong due to mistakenly taking Toshiro’s statement to mean, in this instance, the realms are planets. That is not inherently the case, just because the Kyogoku is connecting the realms at two specific places (two planets), does not make the realms inherently planets. For example, if I grab someone by the hand and drag them around, I am pulling their entire being while only being connected at the hand, but if someone points out that two hands are connecting that doesn’t mean we are both only hands. Essentially, all Toshiro’s statement means is that the Kyogoku is connected to two planets, it does not prove in any way that the Kyogoku is only dragging planets.

Its even further backed up as When Mayuri and Kisuke talk about the Kyogoku pulling Soul Society and World of the Living together, neither refer to them as planets. Kisuke even states that both realms https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863596440100929576/MoN_Formation_explained_pt_6.JPG are in different dimensions. Then you’ll notice that when Mayuri asks for a status update we are informed that it is the dimensions that are moving towards each other, not the planets. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863597144774672394/dimensions.JPG This is further backed up, because Urahara informs us through dialogue and diagrams that this film sets the dimensions within the Dangai, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863597864919760907/MoN_Urahara_explains_the_universe_pt_4.JPG and we see this in the camera view from Mayuri’s lab. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863598186529292288/MoN_Worlds_colliding_5_seconds.JPG Additionally, within World of the Living’s dimension we see the starry sky contained https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863171196035661834/863598344743813120/MoN_Spiritual_world.JPG opposed to the two red-black orbs being isolated planets which would indicate the stars we see are in some separate spacetime.

Now ill be covering your other points. Just as a heads up its always good to either translate things on your own via a good translating source or go with viz translation. Manga reader is littered with mistranslations. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888848155251200060/908057996561645598/140_1.jpg so in this it states 尸魂界中の水が

静かに

少しずつ消えていってる

All the water in Soul Society is quietly disappearing little by little. The problem with how you interpret this is their is water throughout entire solar systems. Liquid water in the Solar System. As of December 2015, the confirmed liquid water in the Solar System outside Earth is 25–50 times the volume of Earth's water (1.3 billion cubic kilometers). As for the yamamoto statement about burning the soul society to the ground. You can't burn the ground to the ground. He's on the ground when he makes that statement. Burning to the ground is just a figurative speech about how you are going to completely destroy something. As for the shunsui scan referring to the soil Is our ground not part of the universe? Is inside of it isn't it? Don't all living organics go into the soils of this universe when we die? Regardless of what planet they are located? Shunsui referring to it as the soil doesn't change anything.

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@pr03: Ill respond to this post later. Thanks.

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@axiompulse: um what? The arguments I bring up are nothing new. This arc has been out for the past 5+ years. You think the wiki was the first to shit these sort of arguments out? Don't make me cringe.

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@rdcdesmond: im so happy that you are the only one who actually gave a decent counter argument. Ill respond to this at a later time. Thanks

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#7  Edited By urahara2121

@areneacaulem: like how gremmy can imagine the void of outer space? Or like how the dangai is able to tank sennas explosion which was happening on a. Universal scale?

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@pr03: buddy your own post debunks you. As I've already stated. Your ap can be higher than your dc while your dc is lower. Passive reiatsu scales in durability and ap. Pay attention you're saying the same shit that he said. Lol

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@seb178: at this point im just going to take it as a concession from you. "And again creation is not AP/DC. He can create things cuz of his hax but he cannot create anything that destroys a galaxy" and AGAIN (lmao) ive already proved he did it through reiatsu and reiatsu correlates to your own ap statistics which I've stated is power supremacy. You're just stonewalling with the same arguments at this point. And let me see if you can use that brain of yours to answer this question. If creating something out of nothing is harder than destroying something that is pre-existing why are you doubting that people who can create galaxies via their own ap statistics can't also destroy them? Also your ap can be higher than your dc. If you're done reposting same arguments and stonewalling. Everyone in this thread would probably be happy.

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@theslader: I love how you people on comicvine call everything wank when you don't agree with it. It's so dumb yet so funny lmao.