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Pain is far too slow and weak gets one shot by gins bankai or soul crushed

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@kayc:literally all quincy can absorb energy and matter to a much greater degree then anyone in naruto. They have absolute dominance over it. Even soul reapers who can manipulate matter and energy can't use reishi they have control off.

And yhwach can easily take power from qunicy. Hollows can also absorb and eat souls. Like when yammy with a breath ate hundreds of souls. Yet would still get absorbed by sklavri.

Madara has no resist to layered soul absorption even kurama was going to get soul ripped by nagato regardless of the seal on naruto

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Kurama also had his soul split by minato and ripped again by the gedo mazu. Clearly their is no soul ripped resistance. So it should be a brezze for yhwach or any qunicy to strip the juubi power. Especially if their actively using their chakra cloak which externalizes their chakra.

Also the ten tails seal is not the same as minatos. Minato has special seals like the reaper of death which can seal hashirama and the nine tails

They also work different then other seals

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Ywhach had to design this thing specifically to steal bankais and it still didn't steal bankais absolutely.

It's not stealing something he's never even imagined.

It's verbatim stated to steal power in general and is not limited to bankai

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@dogsrus: kurama's seal is different and naruto unsealed it in the war arc this is a well known fact. Either way we don't know why madrara couldn't summon it it could just be because kurama is now connected to naruto their for it can't work. Ten tails is not sealed we literally see obito and and naruto strip some of its power from the user.

Quincy medallions work via spatial/space-time manipulation. By using to a shadow dimension they can steal powers. It's not simple absorption like the rinnegan. Mayuri literally spent hours trying to figure out how their shadow power works

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@dertilt: complete lies lmao. Stated It's shinji's bankai pepe's ability and Giselle's zombie power would have no effect on yhwach and all of these powers have layered mind control.

Literally every soul reaper can manipulate with a device minds and have resistance to it.

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> The technique is stated to be maximized and it’s full size is shown in databook. It doesn’t have a potential size it just never detonated and destroyed the planet due to being sealed first.

In the manga it's stated it's still growing. If she completed it why wait to detonate it? Guess what else the databook says. Her Truth seeking ord can not be compared to narutos meaning her tso is 1000s of times more powerful. So naruto would not scale even close.

> Kaguya was revived with 3 things

1- 3 Eyes Juudara

2- Allied Shinobi

3- Entire Planet Of Humans and Animals Energy that wasn’t in War

> ETSB is only one thing

1- Allied Shinobi

No it's literally stated the large amount of chakra from shinobi was the main thing. Which is stated by the databook and zetsu. And again shinobi chakra is verbatim stated greater then the 10 tails. But i guess you ignored all that to make your argument make sense.

Lets be clear

Kaguya during revival was already at full power and can use ETSB without allied shinobi. She used allied Shinobi in core world because she was weakened and drained to point Naruto was fodder to her on earth yet relevant to her in core world able to chop off her arm and blitz her.

You must have ignored the part where it's stated her power and speed was amp to levels exponentially greater then before after receiving shinobi chakra. This could not be possible if shinobi chakra was less then kcm2. Yet again your proven wrong.

Kaguya On Earth- 100%

Kaguya On Lava Planet- 80%

Kaguya On Ice Planet- 60%

Kaguya On Gravity Planet- 40%

Kaguya On Core Planet- 20%

I would say teen spsm is around 25 - 30% Of Kaguya

I also don’t believe Kaguya was truly stronger and faster than her previous self higher than lava world due to kakashi being able to blitz her

You of all plp should know naruto scaling is inconsistent especially the war arc.

Kaguya used her planet swap technique many times lowering her power each time. The last minute allied Shinobi energy boost healed and boosted her but not to the point of being vastly stronger. As we know as second use of allied Shinobi is not more than adding teen spsm on top of a weakened Kaguya who was at her weakest in core world where she was forced to reabsorb because she lost due to swapping world.

Shinobi chakra could rebuild her own chakra reserves

Shinobi Chakrs made etso which can kill naruto

Shinobi chakra made madara overload with chakra and expanded 10× his original size

shinobi chakra overwhelms naruto and is stated greater then the 10 tails

she's not swapping any planets idk what your talking about. She bfrs plp within a certain area. If she swapped planets everyone on earth would be in her dimension.

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@dogsrus: kaguya doesn’t even scale to etso nor does anyone in boruto.

1.Etso was never completed

2. It's kaguyas chakra plus her taking chakra from plp in IT overtime. Kaguya herself has more chakra then anyone in boruto

3. It's not a casually attacks It's her concentrating a bunch of chakra into one attack. It's almost like naruto creating a resangan with all his chakra put into and saying his normal attacks scale to it.

4 tso is literally hax. You don't scale to hax

Kaguya does scale to her etsb.

A bad guy not getting his final attack completed is not a valid enough argument to debunk a attack from being what a statement says because plot has hero beat them before hand. We as readers are implied to believe in the statement even if it is stop before detonated. it’s the AP from the user anyway that scales and upscales.

again if someone is creating an attack from by accumulating energy over time they do not scale. It's simple logic

Kaguya was revived with allied shinobi + rinnesharingan juudara body. ETSB was made from just allied shinobi. Even spsm Naruto and rinnegan sasuke combined are worth more than the amount of allied shinobi. If we go back and look The allied shinobi amp is weaker than the ten tails second form who couldn’t kill ten tails even when they were amped by kurama mode in the phoniex bird form after Neji died. Needless to say just one eye Juudara should be more chakra. As we forget Kaguya was decided with the entire earth chakra + allied shinobi while ETSB was just allied shinobi.

You must have forgotten that madrara nearly exploded after receiving shinobi chakra. Not only it's literally stated shinobi chakra was far greater then the ten tails.

Zetsu and the databook says a shinobi chakra was necessary to bring kaguya.

That means shinobi chakra would have to be far greater then the nine tails. Let's not forget etso which was made from shinobi chakra could kill naruto and sasuke if it was less then kcm2 naruto chakra this would not be the case at all.

Isshiki upscale in quality of chakra while Kaguya has more volume And stamina being immortal with god tree. Both Baryon Mode and Isshiki upscale from Kaguya ETSB and are multi planet lv in ap.

None of scale even close to ETSB. A normal small tso can damage naruto or madara. Even toneri's tso could stop some of Naruto's attacks. Kaguya makes one 1000's possibly millions of times bigger than those. That's like saying naruto small resangans scale to the one he degenerated momoshiki with. It's utter nonsense.

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@undre: first of all the chakra from the people was kaguyas to begin with so she scales to it and kaguya only needed that chakra to regain control kaguya herself has way more chakra than all of earth combined

tso is hax but it still needs chakra meaning she scales to it in some form

Kaguya even in the past did not use all the chakra of the humans on earth she kept alot of them in reserve

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@dogsrus: You do know chakra grew over time right. So the amount of chakra on earth is way more then it use to be. And again this is her accumulating power into one big attack overtime. This does not scale to her normal ap thus anyone you scale above her would not scale anyway.

That's like saying someone is planet level after using 1000 attacks to destroy a planet

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@dogsrus: please show me where it's stated that sphere is the planet