Underfire47

Well yea but you gotta understand, this Cates run got cut shortly because Cates left Marvel for reasons that are yet to be explained, the ongoing rumor is he got divorced(which does seem to be the case) which rocked him really hard and he didn't have any spare time to focus on writing. He just left both Hulk and Thor, so whatever they planned to do with D'Spayre or Titan or whoever was cut short along with that. Which personally i don't mind, i am looking forward to whatever PKJ has to offer over Cates, especially now that he wants to delve into Earth based side of the hierarchy. Those old stories about Demiurge and Demigorge as well as other fear or hell lords is largely unused, it's gonna be cool to see what he does with that, i wouldn't be surprised if it also ties with Umar or Dormamu at some point.

Here is the thing, the writer is GOD and he/she can do whatever they want. I also have no idea why you are so hung up on the naming, especially when the literal definition of it actually works, Demiurge literally falls under the definition of a monster which is

large, ugly and frightening creature.

Fits the definition just fine if you ask me. There is only one Demiurge in Marvel he could be referring to, every creature in Marvel multiverse outside of TOAA/TOBA came from something or someone, something gave birth to them or created them. Demiurge is no exception, even if it wasn't beforehand, the writer can easily change the lore as they see fit. The same happened with TOBA who didn't exist before Immortal Hulk and then all of a sudden it's literally tied to one of the most important and influential beings in the Marvel multiverse. You are arguing over all of this like Marvel writers can't do whatever the hell they want, this writer in particular PKJ, is known for world building, he loves doing that, even mentions that he will be doing a lot of it in his Hulk run, so expect him to change a lot of cannon regarding Marvel cosmic hierarchy and beings like Demiurge and Demogorge and who came from where and what, etc... Hell one of the first things he said he would do is make a Hulk vs Mangog fight, so expect him to mess with that side of the lore as well, probably tying Mangog to Mother of Horrors.

The context is that Hulk thunderclapped TOBA away, which bought him a few seconds for him and Banner to escape the Below place.

@mage101: Any being can be a "monster" it's a pretty wide term that can encompass just about anything the writer wants. TOBA fought Hulk in issue 13 of Immortal Hulk. The new writer is going back somewhat to that part of the lore, we are gonna see TOBA again as well as the green doors, with all the new stuff with the Mother of Horror.

@boutatakeanl: Understood. I was just under the impression that the planet-busting scan itself revealed all of this information. Stupid on my part, but yeah. I get the strength part, but I still have yet to see the gamma waves themselves being planetary. The continent was destroyed because of the force generated by Hulk walking, not the gamma waves (as far as I know/can see).

They are planetary when WBH and RSH clash, what do you think vaporizes the entire planet? It's a combination of both, obviously Hulk walking is causing all the earthquake but at the same time it's sending all the gamma underground and we see it spewing everything. In Las Vegas he didn't even walk, just him transforming almost broke the continent and for that gamma was specifically at fault

Conceded. I don't have enough knowledge on him. I hear that he's really powerful and doesn't really have an upper limit to what he can drain. I'd assume that this would be exemplified when he's facing a planetary + threat. Speculation from hearsay though.

He might not have an upper limit to what he can drain, but things he can drain have resistances. Just like with everything else. Rogue at one point drained literally every single hero in Marvel at the same time including Hulk when they all willingly gave her their powers, but when she tried to just drain Hulk forcefully one time she failed cause Hulk resisted her.

Uh... wow. Didn't know Hulk resists draining like that. Damn... However, couldn't Captain Atom still amp himself up by absorbing the gamma radiation released from the waves? I ask you because I'm sure you know a lot more of these characters than me.

That is possible, it depends on whether or not he can tank those same waves first. It's like asking couldn't Superman amp himself from a supernova? Technically he could, but first he needs to withstand that supernova.

Uh... brain damage or something. I'd figure rearranging his molecules enough would probably kill him. Is there any way to scale WBH's healing to any of the other Hulks? I don't recall him healing anything while he was WBH (even though he took no damage from anything).

You can't kill Hulk. Nothing has damaged WBH so far, with that said WBH gets all the healing feats of weaker incarnations, so if Savage Hulk survived and instantly healed from being vaporized, WBH can do the same and also quicker and easier.

@andromeda1001: Maybe? If you are thinking it's because D'Spayre made his appearance in recent Hulk run, then it's not connected. This is a new series with a different approach that according to the writer is more connected to Immortal Hulk than anything else.

@zetsu-san: Actually she sounds more like Perpetua 2.0 with the way she is described so far. If i had to compare it to someone, although i think she will probably be her own unique thing. PKJ, the new writer, from what i have seen and heard so far really loves his world building and giving lots of lore and background to new and old characters he is writing, so i think she will be unique enough.

@mage101: What can i say except it's Cates, he loves going over the top. Lets also not forget that Hulks previous antagonist in his previous run was literally the most powerful being in all of Marvel. And the next Hulk series that was announced the main antagonist is called Mother of Horrors which is described as this primordial eldritch entity from who all monsters and horror beings in Marvel originate from, including beings like Demiurge and Demigorge... which is pretty fucking insane if you know how powerful these beings are... and she is suppose to be their mother...

So this stuff might have been weird to Hulk from 5+ years ago, but current day Hulk, it's no wonder they are pushing him to be so powerful nowadays, since they keep throwing the most powerful things they can think of at him.

That's not how that works, you dont automatically become a Moon to planet buster just because you brawled with Hulk or Thor or Surfer before. Also planetary strength is much different to be able to planet bust, Hulk had planetary strength since his earliest days but he couldn't planet bust until the last decade or so.

Yea except we aren't comparing Pave and Starship Hulk vs WBH, we are comparing a guy that completely fodderized an entire planet of characters like Pave, completely obliterated them and also did not even flinch when dozens of them where attacking him at the same time.

@ouroborik: Oh yea the weaker Captain America

He kicked his ass, there is no reason to sugar coat it.

I mean yea cause unlike the walking pile of shit known as Ultimate Hulk, Grundy has different incarnations every time he resurrects which have different power levels. This is not the case with Ultimate Hulk who just sucks across the board.

@andromeda1001: Yea thats it, thx.

@vjbthe3: When did WBH no sell hits from Moon to Planet busters? If you are talking about Lord Armageddon, Bi-Beast and Wendigo, they are not Moon busters, let alone planet busters, even amped.