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@acer51: magneto is wrong...but cyclops's views are far enough from magnetos that he wouldnt move to create a situation in which only mutants existed. not even phoenix cyclops was pushing for anything like that

@TheCrowbar: lol...when i got over the whole...." how is he suppose to see...the x doesnt line up with his eyes" thing...i was able to appreciate it...its pretty awesome....although i sometimes i think what if they gave him a helmet instead of a skullcap thing....something that explains how he can see...like a tinted visor...but whatever....the costume is bad ass....im dying for an x-men or marvel game with him in it just to be able to use use him in this costume

his new outfit has definitely grown on me as well.....i hated it...now i love it .

@80sBaby said:

@trutrutru: No, I'd say both sides were acting irresponsibly. That was the point of the series.

The "best" thing would've been both teams working together from the beginning but, considering their respective POVs, I can understand why that didn't happen.

i do agree that they should have worked together from jump....having input from both sides with equal weight and importance to what both sides would be offering in terms of possible solutions.

i just cant agree with the rest of your response....when we talk about why they could not work together from the beginning and how it is because of their respective POV

...i consider the POV of the Avengers to be uninformed. All past interactions, and even what was present information about the Phoenix's arrival suggests that it was

- very unlikely the Phoenix was coming to harm the earth

- and that creating a scenario which exposes the earth to the same form the Phoenix had been unintentionally destroying planets on its way in, is exponentially more dangerous than whatever cyclops had in mind (which was to continue to train Hope till the Phoenix's arrival)

- Hosting the Phoenix has never resulted in an automatic transformation into the Dark Phoenix..it takes a lot for that to happen

therefore...any action taken by the Avengers is deemed unwarranted, as there was no disaster or danger approaching the earth.

There is a difference between making a bad decision that has disastrous consequences....and being put in a position where your damned if you do and damned if you dont. The x-men were "victims" of the latter. With that first part being attributed to the Avengers.

@Skunkstein said:

He was a complete idiot... a lucky idiot, but a complete idiot. Cap was idiotic in many of his actions but his reasons were logical, Cyclops was just an utter complete idiot.

If we took this big gambles about the earth faith just 2 times ever decade we would differently not be alive today.

Lets make the choice; 50/50 save the mutants or destroy the earth... any person saying, ''sure why the hell not'' should differently not be in any position of power.

im pretty sure keeping the phoenix from its host is probably the biggest gamble considering that without a host, the earth would have been exposed to the phoenix in the very same form it was unintentionally destroying planets on its way over.

it having a host picked out should be evidence enough it wasnt going to destroy the earth, as it doesnt need a host to do so. Clearly it had other intentions.

also, considering that there has never really been a phoenix transformation that resulted in an automatic, right off the bat transformation into the dark phoenix, as it takes serious emotional and mental stress to cause such a transformation, i fail to see what threat the earth was in.

the phoenix has always had a special interest in earth...which is why it constantly returns to it.....its almost ludicrous to think it would without reason, come to destroy it..makes no sense

the only one acting irresponsibly and recklessly is Cap

@Outside_85 said:

@trutrutru: The solution is through diplomacy, Scott has abandoned diplomacy at this point and is out to carve out an empire for his true believers. And I might add the woman wasnt even aware of the government being outside of her time bubble, meaning they had done nothing other than secure a perimeter. And really what do you expect from the government when they don't know who or what they are dealing with.

Is it though? We have the Avengers supposedly increasing its efforts diplomatically, all the while cyclops had been locked up having not yet started on his current path. And yet still, this was the state of human and mutant relations.

carve out an empire? thats an exaggeration.

Also, since when are issues of rights resolved without some form of protest. Diplomacy is all well and good, but is hardly ever effective on its own. The fact that even with the Avenger's public stance and new team (uncanny avengers) has done nothing to improve mutant and human relations, should be testament to the ineffectiveness of diplomacy alone. Sometimes we need more than just words.

If the government did nothing but secure the perimeter it is because that's all they could do.

Nobody could get through, which is why Cyclops and team were communicating with the woman telepathically with the help of Emma Frost. You think they ONLY kept a perimeter out of good faith? no. Its because it was the most they could do in that situation.

If they dont know who or what they are dealing with, then why are they so aggressive? Especially after the bubble is down and they get in to find what? a minor brawl between a group of males? Yet here they are in force with guns drawn straight at her. Yes, a very logical response indeed.

@Outside_85 said:

@trutrutru: You mean against one unknown mutant that had freaked out and trapped how many people, holding them frozen in time for several hours? How exactly do you expect a local government to react to something that could suddenly turn out to be another Magneto. While I know the problem existed covertly before Scott started, he certainly is not doing mutants any favors by running around sounding like North Korea.

yeah that is one of the occurrences..when the government showed up..they showed up armed and with guns pointed, looking to take someone into custody or even take them down.

Knowing damn well there are mutants popping up, most of who have no idea they have acquired powers till something like this happens.

Also, how many people got hurt? if anything, this mutant stopped a massive brawl. I would expect the local government to act according to the information they have. That there are mutants out there just randomly getting these abilities, without any real control, nor any bad intention with them. How could you have bad intentions with some power you didnt know you had till just then? see where im going with this

the approach being taken by the government is a guilty until proven otherwise approach. Its prejudice, "racists", and uncalled for. Does the government have reason to be concerned or watchful of these situations, yes. But it shouldnt get to the point where just being a mutant gets you treated like a criminal..which is exactly the state of human mutant relations before any of what Cyclop's team has done. It will certainly make things worse. But again. What is the alternative? to allow this to continue? To let the humans trounce over the rights of mutants?

what issue is that from?

@Outside_85 said:

@jaydee98: Actually he didn't try to do anything in regards to mutants other than sending Utopia a mile into the air, the rest of his time appeared to be spent breaking weapons, beating avengers and try to make the world a better place. As for consequences, you didn't need to be a precog to know what would eventually happen when the Phoenix around. In regards to the government; I haven't seen them park tanks within sight of either Utopia or Westchester, what Scott is doing now could very well lead to that.

umm...did we not already see the government overreacting and discriminating against mutants in All new x-men #1?.....this issue exists..despite cyclops just getting out of prison.....its just what human and mutant relations are like.....has little to do with Scott's current efforts, as it is a problem that existed before cyclops started going around recruiting.

at the very least they arent on the brink of extinction

can it get worse...very likely it will...but whats the alternative....letting humans just discriminate against mutants...to let injustices against mutants continue without standing up for them?

nintendo would win..but sonic characters dont belong to nintendo