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#1 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmperorVulcan said:
"I doubt there is any land animal short of a rhinoceros/elephant that could fight off a grizzly.  Well, or a human with a hunting rifle. "

you forgot the tiger, brown bears always run from tiger; and you forgot hippo too. For the rest Polar bear, Russian bear, Kodiak bear, African lion ar also too much. Seriously I have doubts if a grizzly could even take on a Cape Buffalo or Gaur. Grizzly bears are very over-rated. 
 
For this fight I'll go with the bear, better protected, more aggresive, faster and more weaponary
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#2 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lunacyde:

1. Those where spanish bulls, you cannot compare a domenestic bull with a cape buffalo, the skul of a buffalo is much broader. The buffalo is also bigger and stronger than a bull

2. A moose is a deer, a zebra is a horse, at the same weight a horse is naturally stronger. Not by much but it is. 

3. that is still impossible pound for pound, because about 20% of our human body is skeleton, how can that from a grizzly bears be 200% ? 
And still, the tigers more muscular body makes it up for the bears heavier bones.

 

4. Jet, if you are hunting on an animal as massive and strong as a gaur, you need to know how to kill, those killing insticts can help you in a fight. You are correct when you say hunting & fighting isn't the same but if you are good at one, it can help you in the other.

 

5. A lions mane is looser than a bears hide, you are also forgeting that in siberia, which is not only home to the Siberain tiger but also the Russian brown bear, the tiger does kill those bears with a neck bite, a Russian Brown bear is atleast as large if not larger than an Alaskan Grizzly. A tigers 4 inch canines are simply to sharp for any beast to handle, including bears.

 

6. The tigers speed, agility and mobility will alow it to avoid those clubbing arms. 

http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/top-15-smartest-and-most-intelligent-animals/     
As you can see in the top 15 smartest animals the cat is on number 9 while the bear is nowhere on the list. Cats are smarter than bears.  
 
Seriously? A tiger will defeat a bear.
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#3 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lunacyde said:
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I will tell you why a grizzly is acctually NOT stronger then a tiger.  
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle 


All interesting, but nothing conclusively proving a tiger is stronger. Grizzly Bears have crushed the skulls and snapped the backs of animals such as lions, Bulls, cape buffalo, Bison, Moose, Elk, Caribou, etc.  Furthermore Large Cats are built differently. Their bone and muscle structure is built for explosive jumping abilities and chasing down prey.   The grizzly bear on the other hand evolved enormous bone and muscle density from the fact that they often dig and claw around in rough hard ground. The bone strength and muscle density of your average Grizzly is roughly ten times that of your average human per pound. 
 
 

And did you know that 90 percentage of a grizzly bears diet is vegitarion, when it hunts is is usually small mammals, fish or rodents. A grizzly will ONLY attack a bison or moose if there is no food for miles, bears don't like taking these risks.



Lets not confuse the ability to hunt prey with the ability to fight another animal face to face. Tigers are fantastic predators, but the techniques and tools for hunting prey, and those for fighting are markedly different. Tigers usual shy away from, and are apprehensive in a fight situation according to many big cat trainers. Furthermore a Grizzlies omnivorous traits are part of the reason it wins here. It is not a great Predator, but the traits it has evolved from being omnivorous, such as it's powerfully built body, incredible durability and strength and tough claws make it more attuned to a fighting situation.
 

 And a bears hide will actually NOT save the grizzly, crocodiles have a thinker and tougher hide then a grizzly bear does, and the tiger is still capable of killing them. 


 
It's not the pure thickness of the hide, its the fact that it is loose, not allowing the tiger to get inside to the vital parts. The tiger will possibly tear up the hide, but won't get to any of the really important organs or arteries. 
 
 

Let's list the tigers advantages: more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  

 You are incorrect. Firstly the bite pressure of an average Grizzly is about 4,000 lbs/sq. Inch. Upper estimates for the Siberian Tiger say 1275 lbs/sq. Inch. Tigers are not better fighters than bears. Tigers in general do not like to fight, neither do bears, however the bear is more well equipped to fight. I have not seen any proof that Tigers are any smarter than bears either.  As far as the bears advantages I have already listed them, but I will surely repeat them for you. They are stronger, more durable, and physiologically far better suited to a face to face confrontation. Their loose thick hide and fur takes away a tiger's preferred method of attack. "


You are correct about bull, bison and moose but not about cape buffalo. a grizzly lives in North America and buffalo in Africa so you are wrong there. A lion (weaker than a tiger) can knock out a zebra neck in one blow, Zebras have more muscle  than a moose so there is no saying a grizzly is actually stronger! And a grizzly 10 times stronger than a man pound for pound? so are you telling me a 1200 Lb grizzly would be 60 times stronger than a 200 Lb man? That is impossible, because the african elephant; which is the strongest living land animal is about as strong as 20 men. A tiger is as strong as 12 men, and a grizzly I don't know but I doubt if it is any more than 10-11 men.

 

And having greater hunting and fighting experience will surely help the tiger fight, hunting includes fighting and killing youre prey. That is what a tiger is made for, they kill gaur; those massive beast can reach up the 4000 Lb sometimes! And a grizzly has indeed a powerfull build body but no stronger than the brutal tiger.

 

A lions neck is better protected than that from a bear, they have a loose mane that is much better protection than the bears fur, jet in India; where the last population of Asiatic Lions live, tiger sre capable of killing a lion with a neckbite, so even the bears loose fur won't save it to the tigers 4 inch razor sharp canines.

 
A bear has a biteforce of 4000 Psi? A saltwater crocodile has the highest bite of any animal, which is 2,500 Psi. A grizzly bears bite is only about one fifth of what you told me; 800 Psi. A tiger has a biteforce of 1,083 Psi and a hyena has the highest of any mammal 1,200 Psi. 
In nature bears rarely use their bite, unlike the tiger, that is why the tigers jaws are a lot better developed than those from the bear. 

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#4 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lunacyde said:
" @TigerWarrior said:
" @CortSether:  No need to cry, I am just telling the truth. A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
Your name doesn't show any bias lol. I already gave an argument as to why the Grizzly would win, care to share how I am wrong? "


I will tell you where you are wrong: 
 
I will tell you why a grizzly is acctually NOT stronger then a tiger.  
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle 
 
And a bears hide will actually NOT save the grizzly, crocodiles have a thinker and tougher hide then a grizzly bear does, and the tiger is still capable of killing them.

 

And did you know that a bears claws are NOT SHARP, they are designed to deliver a hammerblow, a tigers speed and agility will alow it to avoid that blow. 
 
And did you know that 90 percentage of a grizzly bears diet is vegitarion, when it hunts is is usually small mammals, fish or rodents. A grizzly will ONLY attack a bison or moose if there is no food for miles, bears don't like taking these risks.

 

Let's list the tigers advantages: more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  
 
What do you have?

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#5 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether: 
 
No need to cry, I am just telling the truth. A tiger will defeat a grizzly.
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#6 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @TigerWarrior said:
" @Count Bleck said:
" @vuviper said:
" @Count Bleck: Do you think it'll make a difference which kind? If so you could explain why  Grizzly's never have to face an opponent as powerful as the Siberian Tiger. They compete with Grey Wolves and cougars and occasionally eat a black bears  Siberian Tigers regularly prey on bears roughly the size of a Grizzly "
A kodiak island grizzly can weigh about a ton.  A grizzly only 2/5ths that size can kill a one ton moose with one blow.  A tiger hit by that would die instantly. "
One ton is 2,200 LB; that is a far to big for a bear. And the average Kodiak Brown Bear & Alaskan Grizzly Bear in the wild are about 1,000 LB. That is about as much as Russian Brown Bears, tigers sometimes prey on those.

Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle.  tigers have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include Water buffalo, gaur ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles.   Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina.  A tiger will defeat a grizzly. "
You use that same argument every time and it's flawed. Siberian Tiger will NOT beat a grizzly. "

@Count Bleck said:
"A male 1,500 pound Kodiak bear would defeat any felid to have ever lived.  Including the "saber toothed" Machairodontidaes.  Although Marchairodus Kabir, The American and European Cave Lions,  and Smilodon Populator would have a good shot.   The saber-toothed cats would not immediately try to bite the bear though, their sabre's are weak in the middle and can easily break there, as a matter of fact, their skulls in general were fragile, with this trait 
 
Atleast I have back up and dont shout out something without thinking, idiot!
And count bleck, a smilodon had 1 feet canines and was strong enough to kill a mammoth so I don't think a kodiak would be out of it's range.
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#7 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Count Bleck said:
" @vuviper said:
" @Count Bleck: Do you think it'll make a difference which kind? If so you could explain why  Grizzly's never have to face an opponent as powerful as the Siberian Tiger. They compete with Grey Wolves and cougars and occasionally eat a black bears  Siberian Tigers regularly prey on bears roughly the size of a Grizzly "
A kodiak island grizzly can weigh about a ton.  A grizzly only 2/5ths that size can kill a one ton moose with one blow.  A tiger hit by that would die instantly. "
One ton is 2,200 LB; that is a far to big for a bear. And the average Kodiak Brown Bear & Alaskan Grizzly Bear in the wild are about 1,000 LB. That is about as much as Russian Brown Bears, tigers sometimes prey on those.

Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/tigers skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a tiger is packed with solid muscle.  
tigers have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include Water buffalo, gaur ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.
90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles. 
  
Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters, are smarter; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a tiger is that it is low stamina. 
 
A tiger will defeat a grizzly.
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#8 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio

Silverback gorilla's are preyed upon leopards half their size, let go a lion or a grizzly.
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#9 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@AtPhantom said:
"This isn't a comic battle where you can factor in speed and strategy. In the animal kingdom, it's very simple: Bigger wins. "

Epic facepalm - Is that why a 50 Lb wolverine can kill a 1,200 Lb moose? 
Or a 300 Lb female tiger can kill a 3000 Lb gaur? 
Or what about a 150 Lb cougar killing a 2,000 Lb bison? 
 
Speed and skill is very important in the animal kingdom, and a lion will defeat a grizzly. 
 
there is no comparing a short faced bear with a grizzly - 2500 Lb vs 1000 Lb, seriously?
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#10 Posted by TigerWarrior (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@CortSether said:
" @TigerWarrior said:

" @CortSether said:

" @TigerWarrior said:

" @CortSether said:

" @TigerWarrior said:

" @nathandan1222 said:
"unless its a sun bear or panda the bear wins "
A lion could beat any bear except a polar bear "
Lion has no chance against a grizzly "
 
That is something someone who doesn't know much about animals would say, just because a bear is heavier it doesn't mean it is stronger. 
                                                     
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/lions skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
 
As you can see the body of a cat is packed with solid muscle.  Lions have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include wildebeast, zebra, cape buffalo ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles.   Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a lion is that it is low stamina.  A lion will defeat a grizzly. "
 No, it's something zoologists and other animal experts would say as well.Judging by your user name you have a thing for cats. It's okay to admit your cats get their asses kicked, buddy

The Californians of the late 19th century staged well-documented pit fights with grizzlies and spanish bulls. The grizzlies, using their paw as a club, shattered the bull's skull or shoulder bones so easily that the betting became poor. Eventually, and at considerable cost, African lions were brought in to raise the stakes. The most fierce of the adult males was sent in whilst the grizzly was already waiting in the pits. The lion was known for bravely charging straight in and looked good for the money, but the grizzly killed a male lion almost as easily as he'd killed the bull. 

 A grizzly's claws, having evolved as digging tools,  are also unmatched at opening body carcasses. Claws of 6" aren't uncommon (9" record).  Lion gets stomped every time by a grizzly. "


 
Animal discover experts say the lion would defeat a 1700 LB Kodiak, let go a grizzly will get destroyed. 
 
And where did you get those battles in the 19th century from? Copy & paste from Liarweb, seriously? 
 
Did you know there are no officail records of those fights really occuring? and even if they did I doubt if the grizzly won easily. Those where CAGE fights, doesn't the word cage mean anything to you? In a cage fight the lion cannot make use of its speed, agility and swifter body. In the open wild there are only 2 animals that can defeat a lion and those are polar bear and tiger. 
And it doesn't matter how large the calws of a grizzly are, it matters how sharp they are, a bears claws are not sharp but are designed to deliver a hamer blow; the lions speed will allow it to avoid that blow.   
 
And it's always the bears who get their asses kicked by cats, Siberian tigers destroy brown bears in Rusia. Cougars destroy black bears in the Rocky Mountians. Bears are always the ones who run from cats to save their sorry lives. I even saw a video of a bear running from a tigers tracks in the snow, let go the tiger itself.  
 
I will ones again copy what I explained above: 
 
Let's start of with the basic here, if you have a 120 LB dog and a 200 LB man, despite the fact that the man is heavier, the dog is stronger. It is how they are build. Our human body is very similar to that from a bear, we have a large skeleton and contrast amount of body fat that makes up most of our weight. A dogs/lions skeleton is quite small given it the size of the animal, they have minimum body fat; most of their weight comes from huge muscles: 
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/197609/1/Tiger,-Lateral-View,-Skin-Removed,-From-A-Comparative-Anatomical-Exposition-Of-The-Structure-Of-The-Human-Body-With-That-Of-A-Tiger-And-A-Common-Fowl.jpg 
As you can see the body of a cat is packed with solid muscle.  
Lions have evolved hunting prey much larger than it self, which include wildebeast, zebra, cape buffalo ect... They are imensely strong in order to bring down an animal up to 3-4 times their size.
90 percente of a grizzly bears diet is vegetarion. When they hunt it is usually small rodents or mammals. A bear will only take the risk of attacking a huge and dangerous mammal like a moose or bison if there is no food for miles. 
  
Not only that, cats are more agile and swifter, have sharper claws and bigger sharper canines, have greater jaw force, are better fighters; and are faster than bears. The only weakness in a lion is that it is low stamina. 
 
A lion will defeat a grizzly.

 

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It's interesting that you say only 2 animals could defeat a lion in the wild those being a polar bear and tiger because a large grizzly would more than likely defeat a polar bear with its stronger build and stronger claw swipes. Many grizzly bears are even going into polar bear territory and taking over.   Btw, what's swiftness going to do against the grizzly? The lion has no chance wrestling the bear to the ground and it's bite would hardly do much to the grizzly's thick hide. One paw swipe on the lion's spine and it's over.   Grizzly Bear bite Force: 1,200 psi  Lion bite force: 691 psi    Btw, lions get their asses kicked by sluggish Hippos all the time proving that agility doesn't mean jack shit. "

So you are telling me a lion could not wrestle a grizzly to the ground? The take down a freakin 2000 Lb cape buffalo now you tell me a little 1000 Lb grizzly (way above average) will be to much for the lion to handle? please. 
And a lions canines would be to much for the bear to handle, lions sometimes kill nile crocodiles when on land; Croc have a thicker hide than bear. and they still kill them 
 
And a grizzly does not have a biteforce of 1,200 Psi cause the hyena has the highest of any mammal, and hyenas biteforce is 1,100 Psi. A brown bears bite is only about 800 psi and a SMALL lion who was only about 300 Lb had a biteforce of 691 Psi, a fullgrown one would have a bite of about 1,000 psi (as much as a tiger).  
 
So what lions get beat by hippos they are 7000 Lb! Let's see how badly a bear gets destroyed by a hippo. 
 
Lion beats Grizzly