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@thing150: I suppose you might be right. My point in using the Deathstroke vs Hawkman fight was to show how Deathsrtoke was able to outfight him, something I think Wolverine should be able to do in a h2h battle. Even without his adamantium Wolverine was durable enough to get hit by a speeding jeep and shrug it off, so he won't go down after one-shot even if Hawkman manages to tag him. Lobo also was able to cut Hawkman's arm off with his knife and then proceeded to incapacitate him with a few punches. Looking at this Hawkman has been incapacitated by lower level opponents, since going by feats Lobo <Wonder Woman, another thing Wolverine could potentially do, once you factor in his strength and striking power even without the adamantium. All Wolverine needs is to Temporarily KO him to stop him in this gauntlet.

Hawkman and lobo fought again and hawkman won, his arm also grew back. My point is that wolverine cant temporarily KO him, hawkman is too durable and his healing factor works too fast, along with the fact he can fully cover his body with armor(which wolvie cant slice through). The only argument you could use for wolverine is that he is too fast, which could be countered by hawkmans fire and the fact he was able to rush wonder woman. Without adamantium wolverine is outmatched, which is why he is low on this list compared to others like Namor.

But Lobo was still able to cut his arm off. Wolverine can easily do the same with his head if he can connect, so he's not too durable to shrug off everything Logan can potentially inflict on him. The bone claws by themselves are able to tear through most types of flesh and have been able to cut through stone and even hard steel.We haven't seen Hawkman use his fire in combat that often so the chances of him using it are low and if he does it will be a last resort. But with Wolverine's speed and better h2h abilities he could land a decapitation, which would definitely be enough to put him down.

Why are you assuming logans bone claws can match the strength and sharpness of lobo/lobos weapons?. he cant decapitate hawkman because his helmet is in the way of his neck as shown here:

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Even when looking straight up it partially covers his neck restricting passage of weapons.

Also why do you assume a person who can TANK hits from WONDER WOMAN, AQUAMAN and LOBO could get cut by wolverines bone claws? Hawkman can cover his entire body with armor and you still have yet to counter the FIRE scans.

What are H2H skills going to do to his durability, power, flight and strength advantage?

Hawkman blitzed and tackled wonder woman and Has been able to Block Bullets with his nth metal multiple times.

Pick someone else to argue for.

I am going to peace out of a bit everyone because i have been arguing way too much on my own thread....

Well the weapon he used to cut Hawkman's arm off with was a regular bounty hunter knife.So it's fair to assume that with Logan's feats with his bone claws he could cut off Hawkman's limbs. There is still plenty of room for his claws to deal damage, and he can still cut his limbs off.

I don't need to counter the Fire scans because he won't use them. He hasn't used it in combat enough to warrant attention that he might use it here. Again, usually he doesn't cover his body in armor during combat, so therefore we can assume that in a random fight like this he won't use it.

His H2H abilities and speed will allow him to outfight Hawkman in a fight and cut him down. After-all what good is the power advantage and flight if Wolverine can easily dodge any dive attacks he might do and counter any h2h attacks from Hawkman.

His one speed blitz feat does not outrank Wolverine's multiple showings of his superior combat speed.

I think I'm doing well for Logan thank you.

Later.

What i highlighted is precisely why you will never win this argument, you are basing your argument off of speculation. Speculation that wolverines claws are sharper than lobo's "regular bounty hunter knife" and lobo is much stronger than logan, he has actually used the fire in combat and in combat covered his whole body in armor, so you saying that he wont it not a good counter to my argument.

Hawkman has further range and a flight advantage not to mention a huge strength advantage, along with his durability and you have still yet to prove wolverine with scans/feats that bone claws can penetrate someone who TANKED SHOTS FROM A BLOOD LUSTED WONDER WOMAN.

Also you seemed to ignore the fact that hawkman has bullet timing feats also. I have used feats and logic to give hawkman the winwhereas your entire argument is based off of specualtion.

have a good night :)

Not speculation, Hawkman doesn't have good showings against slicing weapons, neither does anyone in his race. Hell he even offered a knife to a doctor to cut himself open so he could heal again. Wolverine can still cut his limbs off and you haven't disproved that. You still haven't answered how frequently he uses his armor or fire in combat, till then it doesn't matter.

All of your bolded statements don't matter. Hawkman is not impressive at all in h2h combat, Green Arrow was able to pummel and outmaneuver in a h2h fight recently and going against someone like Wolverine he's outmatched. He might be stronger but that won't do much if he can't tag Logan, and as I said he offered a knife to a regular doctor to cut open his arm. If a regular knife can cut open his arm's Wolverine's claws should be more than enough to cut his limbs off just like how Lobo was able to do the same easily.

I didn't ignore the feats I clearly answered them. They are not impressive................You seem to be giving Hawkman more credit than he deserves but that's okay. Wolverine has the tools to put him down.

Night ;)

Lol, the bolded statement about the knife was his own magically enhanced nth metal knife.....so what does that have to do with wolverines BONE claws? You have clearly never read any hawkman and do not know how durability and armor works.

Yup. i refuse to debate with someone who blatantly lies about something to further their argument his "regular knife" as i stated before is magical nth metal.

You seem to have never read about hawkman in your life and are clearly biased in arguing for wolverine because you seem to think that lying is the way to argue.

Have a good night ;)))))

Ohhh I have read Hawkman and I think he's cool but he's outmatched here. Ohhhh okay the knife was Nth Metal my bad...... Still Dr.Palmer wielding Frankensteins sword was able to cut off Hawkman's arm. And before you say anything dead or not, his bodies durability is the same.

Okay as I stated my bad. My point still stands, he's not as durable as you think. And I see you ignored his inferiority in h2h combat.

Yep the guy with a Deadshot profile pic is biased for Wolverine -_- as I said my bad.

Are you really going to sleep because you've said this multiple times?

He is as durable as i think because he has taken hits from aquaman and a bloodlusted wonder woman along with fighting and beating lobo the second time.

and the time lobo got beat by supergirl is because it was stated she had a massive power fluctuation from changing from a red to yellow sun.

Hawkman is a bullet time and he has the durability/ armor and weapons to get the job done. He has longer range than logan much higher duability(which i dont think logans claws with get through) along with the fact that he has the fire to take out logan if he wants to ro if he is in a bad spot.

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@thing150: It's to show that while he survived a full force punch from Wonder Woman, Lobo who based off of his feats right now is weaker than Wonder Woman in the strength department knocked out Hawkman. Which shows that lower level opponents can beat Hawkman despite his more high-end showings.

You cannot say anything about lobo because we have no idea yet what his power lvl is, it could be far above WW or below but using him to further your argument simply does not work.

We can say of Lobo what we currently know about him. And right now he is below Wonder Woman, everything you are suggesting is speculation. So using him in my argument works entirely.

LOL we dont know lobo's power level yet so you using him as a reason for wolverine winning is moot, hawkman also beat lobo the second go around and regrew his arm. he is a new character without the feats for either of us to use him as a good/bad showing, is a featless new character really the rout you want to go for making a case for wolverine winning.

You seem to not understand that looking at what we have for Lobo so far he's unimpressive.............he fought Supergirl more than once and each time he was overwhelmed by her, so his limits are clearly defined as of now, and I don't think he will majorly improve that much......so NO he is not featless. And yes he beat Lobo the second time, but it doesn't change the face Lobo beat him the first.

I have no idea how you think you can further an argument about wolverine by bringing up supergirl lol, your getting pretty desperate i guess, what the heck does Supergirl(who is superior to logan in every single way) have to do with wolverine.

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@thing150: I suppose you might be right. My point in using the Deathstroke vs Hawkman fight was to show how Deathsrtoke was able to outfight him, something I think Wolverine should be able to do in a h2h battle. Even without his adamantium Wolverine was durable enough to get hit by a speeding jeep and shrug it off, so he won't go down after one-shot even if Hawkman manages to tag him. Lobo also was able to cut Hawkman's arm off with his knife and then proceeded to incapacitate him with a few punches. Looking at this Hawkman has been incapacitated by lower level opponents, since going by feats Lobo <Wonder Woman, another thing Wolverine could potentially do, once you factor in his strength and striking power even without the adamantium. All Wolverine needs is to Temporarily KO him to stop him in this gauntlet.

Hawkman and lobo fought again and hawkman won, his arm also grew back. My point is that wolverine cant temporarily KO him, hawkman is too durable and his healing factor works too fast, along with the fact he can fully cover his body with armor(which wolvie cant slice through). The only argument you could use for wolverine is that he is too fast, which could be countered by hawkmans fire and the fact he was able to rush wonder woman. Without adamantium wolverine is outmatched, which is why he is low on this list compared to others like Namor.

But Lobo was still able to cut his arm off. Wolverine can easily do the same with his head if he can connect, so he's not too durable to shrug off everything Logan can potentially inflict on him. The bone claws by themselves are able to tear through most types of flesh and have been able to cut through stone and even hard steel.We haven't seen Hawkman use his fire in combat that often so the chances of him using it are low and if he does it will be a last resort. But with Wolverine's speed and better h2h abilities he could land a decapitation, which would definitely be enough to put him down.

Why are you assuming logans bone claws can match the strength and sharpness of lobo/lobos weapons?. he cant decapitate hawkman because his helmet is in the way of his neck as shown here:

No Caption Provided

Even when looking straight up it partially covers his neck restricting passage of weapons.

Also why do you assume a person who can TANK hits from WONDER WOMAN, AQUAMAN and LOBO could get cut by wolverines bone claws? Hawkman can cover his entire body with armor and you still have yet to counter the FIRE scans.

What are H2H skills going to do to his durability, power, flight and strength advantage?

Hawkman blitzed and tackled wonder woman and Has been able to Block Bullets with his nth metal multiple times.

Pick someone else to argue for.

I am going to peace out of a bit everyone because i have been arguing way too much on my own thread....

Well the weapon he used to cut Hawkman's arm off with was a regular bounty hunter knife.So it's fair to assume that with Logan's feats with his bone claws he could cut off Hawkman's limbs. There is still plenty of room for his claws to deal damage, and he can still cut his limbs off.

I don't need to counter the Fire scans because he won't use them. He hasn't used it in combat enough to warrant attention that he might use it here. Again, usually he doesn't cover his body in armor during combat, so therefore we can assume that in a random fight like this he won't use it.

His H2H abilities and speed will allow him to outfight Hawkman in a fight and cut him down. After-all what good is the power advantage and flight if Wolverine can easily dodge any dive attacks he might do and counter any h2h attacks from Hawkman.

His one speed blitz feat does not outrank Wolverine's multiple showings of his superior combat speed.

I think I'm doing well for Logan thank you.

Later.

What i highlighted is precisely why you will never win this argument, you are basing your argument off of speculation. Speculation that wolverines claws are sharper than lobo's "regular bounty hunter knife" and lobo is much stronger than logan, he has actually used the fire in combat and in combat covered his whole body in armor, so you saying that he wont it not a good counter to my argument.

Hawkman has further range and a flight advantage not to mention a huge strength advantage, along with his durability and you have still yet to prove wolverine with scans/feats that bone claws can penetrate someone who TANKED SHOTS FROM A BLOOD LUSTED WONDER WOMAN.

Also you seemed to ignore the fact that hawkman has bullet timing feats also. I have used feats and logic to give hawkman the winwhereas your entire argument is based off of specualtion.

have a good night :)

Not speculation, Hawkman doesn't have good showings against slicing weapons, neither does anyone in his race. Hell he even offered a knife to a doctor to cut himself open so he could heal again. Wolverine can still cut his limbs off and you haven't disproved that. You still haven't answered how frequently he uses his armor or fire in combat, till then it doesn't matter.

All of your bolded statements don't matter. Hawkman is not impressive at all in h2h combat, Green Arrow was able to pummel and outmaneuver in a h2h fight recently and going against someone like Wolverine he's outmatched. He might be stronger but that won't do much if he can't tag Logan, and as I said he offered a knife to a regular doctor to cut open his arm. If a regular knife can cut open his arm's Wolverine's claws should be more than enough to cut his limbs off just like how Lobo was able to do the same easily.

I didn't ignore the feats I clearly answered them. They are not impressive................You seem to be giving Hawkman more credit than he deserves but that's okay. Wolverine has the tools to put him down.

Night ;)

Lol, the bolded statement about the knife was his own magically enhanced nth metal knife.....so what does that have to do with wolverines BONE claws? You have clearly never read any hawkman and do not know how durability and armor works.

Yup. i refuse to debate with someone who blatantly lies about something to further their argument his "regular knife" as i stated before is magical nth metal.

You seem to have never read about hawkman in your life and are clearly biased in arguing for wolverine because you seem to think that lying is the way to argue.

Have a good night ;)))))

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@thing150: It's to show that while he survived a full force punch from Wonder Woman, Lobo who based off of his feats right now is weaker than Wonder Woman in the strength department knocked out Hawkman. Which shows that lower level opponents can beat Hawkman despite his more high-end showings.

You cannot say anything about lobo because we have no idea yet what his power lvl is, it could be far above WW or below but using him to further your argument simply does not work.

We can say of Lobo what we currently know about him. And right now he is below Wonder Woman, everything you are suggesting is speculation. So using him in my argument works entirely.

LOL we dont know lobo's power level yet so you using him as a reason for wolverine winning is moot, hawkman also beat lobo the second go around and regrew his arm. he is a new character without the feats for either of us to use him as a good/bad showing, is a featless new character really the rout you want to go for making a case for wolverine winning.

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@thing150: I suppose you might be right. My point in using the Deathstroke vs Hawkman fight was to show how Deathsrtoke was able to outfight him, something I think Wolverine should be able to do in a h2h battle. Even without his adamantium Wolverine was durable enough to get hit by a speeding jeep and shrug it off, so he won't go down after one-shot even if Hawkman manages to tag him. Lobo also was able to cut Hawkman's arm off with his knife and then proceeded to incapacitate him with a few punches. Looking at this Hawkman has been incapacitated by lower level opponents, since going by feats Lobo <Wonder Woman, another thing Wolverine could potentially do, once you factor in his strength and striking power even without the adamantium. All Wolverine needs is to Temporarily KO him to stop him in this gauntlet.

Hawkman and lobo fought again and hawkman won, his arm also grew back. My point is that wolverine cant temporarily KO him, hawkman is too durable and his healing factor works too fast, along with the fact he can fully cover his body with armor(which wolvie cant slice through). The only argument you could use for wolverine is that he is too fast, which could be countered by hawkmans fire and the fact he was able to rush wonder woman. Without adamantium wolverine is outmatched, which is why he is low on this list compared to others like Namor.

But Lobo was still able to cut his arm off. Wolverine can easily do the same with his head if he can connect, so he's not too durable to shrug off everything Logan can potentially inflict on him. The bone claws by themselves are able to tear through most types of flesh and have been able to cut through stone and even hard steel.We haven't seen Hawkman use his fire in combat that often so the chances of him using it are low and if he does it will be a last resort. But with Wolverine's speed and better h2h abilities he could land a decapitation, which would definitely be enough to put him down.

Why are you assuming logans bone claws can match the strength and sharpness of lobo/lobos weapons?. he cant decapitate hawkman because his helmet is in the way of his neck as shown here:

No Caption Provided

Even when looking straight up it partially covers his neck restricting passage of weapons.

Also why do you assume a person who can TANK hits from WONDER WOMAN, AQUAMAN and LOBO could get cut by wolverines bone claws? Hawkman can cover his entire body with armor and you still have yet to counter the FIRE scans.

What are H2H skills going to do to his durability, power, flight and strength advantage?

Hawkman blitzed and tackled wonder woman and Has been able to Block Bullets with his nth metal multiple times.

Pick someone else to argue for.

I am going to peace out of a bit everyone because i have been arguing way too much on my own thread....

Well the weapon he used to cut Hawkman's arm off with was a regular bounty hunter knife.So it's fair to assume that with Logan's feats with his bone claws he could cut off Hawkman's limbs. There is still plenty of room for his claws to deal damage, and he can still cut his limbs off.

I don't need to counter the Fire scans because he won't use them. He hasn't used it in combat enough to warrant attention that he might use it here. Again, usually he doesn't cover his body in armor during combat, so therefore we can assume that in a random fight like this he won't use it.

His H2H abilities and speed will allow him to outfight Hawkman in a fight and cut him down. After-all what good is the power advantage and flight if Wolverine can easily dodge any dive attacks he might do and counter any h2h attacks from Hawkman.

His one speed blitz feat does not outrank Wolverine's multiple showings of his superior combat speed.

I think I'm doing well for Logan thank you.

Later.

What i highlighted is precisely why you will never win this argument, you are basing your argument off of speculation. Speculation that wolverines claws are sharper than lobo's "regular bounty hunter knife" and lobo is much stronger than logan, he has actually used the fire in combat and in combat covered his whole body in armor, so you saying that he wont it not a good counter to my argument.

Hawkman has further range and a flight advantage not to mention a huge strength advantage, along with his durability and you have still yet to prove wolverine with scans/feats that bone claws can penetrate someone who TANKED SHOTS FROM A BLOOD LUSTED WONDER WOMAN.

Also you seemed to ignore the fact that hawkman has bullet timing feats also. I have used feats and logic to give hawkman the winwhereas your entire argument is based off of specualtion.

have a good night :)

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@thing150: It's to show that while he survived a full force punch from Wonder Woman, Lobo who based off of his feats right now is weaker than Wonder Woman in the strength department knocked out Hawkman. Which shows that lower level opponents can beat Hawkman despite his more high-end showings.

You cannot say anything about lobo because we have no idea yet what his power lvl is, it could be far above WW or below but using him to further your argument simply does not work.

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@thing150: I suppose you might be right. My point in using the Deathstroke vs Hawkman fight was to show how Deathsrtoke was able to outfight him, something I think Wolverine should be able to do in a h2h battle. Even without his adamantium Wolverine was durable enough to get hit by a speeding jeep and shrug it off, so he won't go down after one-shot even if Hawkman manages to tag him. Lobo also was able to cut Hawkman's arm off with his knife and then proceeded to incapacitate him with a few punches. Looking at this Hawkman has been incapacitated by lower level opponents, since going by feats Lobo <Wonder Woman, another thing Wolverine could potentially do, once you factor in his strength and striking power even without the adamantium. All Wolverine needs is to Temporarily KO him to stop him in this gauntlet.

Hawkman and lobo fought again and hawkman won, his arm also grew back. My point is that wolverine cant temporarily KO him, hawkman is too durable and his healing factor works too fast, along with the fact he can fully cover his body with armor(which wolvie cant slice through). The only argument you could use for wolverine is that he is too fast, which could be countered by hawkmans fire and the fact he was able to rush wonder woman. Without adamantium wolverine is outmatched, which is why he is low on this list compared to others like Namor.

But Lobo was still able to cut his arm off. Wolverine can easily do the same with his head if he can connect, so he's not too durable to shrug off everything Logan can potentially inflict on him. The bone claws by themselves are able to tear through most types of flesh and have been able to cut through stone and even hard steel.We haven't seen Hawkman use his fire in combat that often so the chances of him using it are low and if he does it will be a last resort. But with Wolverine's speed and better h2h abilities he could land a decapitation, which would definitely be enough to put him down.

Why are you assuming logans bone claws can match the strength and sharpness of lobo/lobos weapons?. he cant decapitate hawkman because his helmet is in the way of his neck as shown here:

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Even when looking straight up it partially covers his neck restricting passage of weapons.

Also why do you assume a person who can TANK hits from WONDER WOMAN, AQUAMAN and LOBO could get cut by wolverines bone claws? Hawkman can cover his entire body with armor and you still have yet to counter the FIRE scans.

What are H2H skills going to do to his durability, power, flight and strength advantage?

Hawkman blitzed and tackled wonder woman and Has been able to Block Bullets with his nth metal multiple times.

Pick someone else to argue for.

I am going to peace out of a bit everyone because i have been arguing way too much on my own thread....

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@matchesmalone21: Yes, based off of what we have seen so far Lobo is weaker than Wonder Woman.

Uhm what does this have to do with wolverine? and lobo does not have enough feats to place him below or above WW, we really cant tell yet and Hawkman has tanked shots from WW.

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@thing150: I suppose you might be right. My point in using the Deathstroke vs Hawkman fight was to show how Deathsrtoke was able to outfight him, something I think Wolverine should be able to do in a h2h battle. Even without his adamantium Wolverine was durable enough to get hit by a speeding jeep and shrug it off, so he won't go down after one-shot even if Hawkman manages to tag him. Lobo also was able to cut Hawkman's arm off with his knife and then proceeded to incapacitate him with a few punches. Looking at this Hawkman has been incapacitated by lower level opponents, since going by feats Lobo <Wonder Woman, another thing Wolverine could potentially do, once you factor in his strength and striking power even without the adamantium. All Wolverine needs is to Temporarily KO him to stop him in this gauntlet.

Hawkman and lobo fought again and hawkman won, his arm also grew back. My point is that wolverine cant temporarily KO him, hawkman is too durable and his healing factor works too fast, along with the fact he can fully cover his body with armor(which wolvie cant slice through). The only argument you could use for wolverine is that he is too fast, which could be countered by hawkmans fire and the fact he was able to rush wonder woman. Without adamantium wolverine is outmatched, which is why he is low on this list compared to others like Namor.