First instinct is Folded Man but honestly I just hate Top. Like it's already been stated it depends on if Top's TP would be effective.
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Cerberus: Amalgam Introduction
Let's get right to it -- given that I've chosen 3 powerhouse characters and combined them via the FUSION PERK I've gone ahead and affectionately named my creation Cerberus. The build itself was designed to maximize versatility and offensive output while covering the respective weaknesses of each character and I'm quite proud with the end result.
If I must say, I'm glad I finally have an opponent willing to post given that I've made it to round three without having to actually debate anything. I'm looking forward to proving the power of my fusion against your own.
While I believe my characters are well known I'll do a brief introduction for each so we see what they bring to the table.
[ CYBORG SUPERMAN: TECHNOLOGICAL TERROR ]
Hank Henshaw is the Cyborg Superman -- a being fueled by hate with a masterful control of technology. Having originally built a body using Kryptonian Technologies and Superman's DNA he has all of Superman's physical attributes and abilities.
He has proven time and time again that he is impossibly difficult to kill, in fact, he was suicidal for quite some time but just couldn't manage to die, no matter how hard he tried. His legacy in the DC universe has seen him as a constant foe of Superman and as a team-buster capable of taking on the entirety of the Green Lantern Corps.
[ POWERS & ABILITIES ]
- Kryptonian Physiology - As mentioned earlier he has physical attributes & superhuman abilities identical to Superman.
- Technopathy - Can manipulate any and all technologies for whatever purpose he sees fit.
- Green Lantern Rings - During his conflict with the GLC he obtained several Green Lantern Rings; wearing at least five of them on his right hand. He displayed mastery over the Power Rings and was able to contend with the Guardians despite having no formal training or experience with such a weapon.
[ PURPOSE ]
He grants the amalgamation a total control of technology, high tier team-busting physical stats, Superman's powers, and immense versatility in the form of the Green Lantern Rings.
[ MORDRU: LORD OF CHAOS; MASTER OF MAGIC ]
Mordru is an entity of evil; one of the most prominent Lords of Chaos to exist in the DCU. It's stated that he's been around since before the big bang and will continue to exist long after the destruction of the universe; he was never born and thus, will never die. His primary goal is to defeat the Lords of Order and to claim what he believes is rightfully his, the rule of the universe.
His legacy has seen him as an enemy of the Justice League, the Justice Society, and the Legion of Super-Heroes, and against them, he has demonstrated his mastery of the mystical arts, serving as a seemingly unstoppable team-buster.
[ POWERS & ABILITIES ]
- Magic - As a Lord of Chaos he has mastery over the realm of magic and can perform a variety of different spells that allow him to effortless manipulate energies, teleport, generate force fields, transmute all forms of matter, and much, much, more.
[ PURPOSE ]
He grants the amalgamation a total command of magic which provides tons of versatility and the ability to overcome a gauntlet of what some may consider to be 'hax' abilities.
[ JEAN GREY: PHOENIX RISING ]
The final member of my team -- Jean Grey. A member of the X-Men who has a complicated relationship with a cosmic entity known as the Phoenix Force, Jean Grey has not had an easy time of it. Her primary abilities grant her a command over the psionic realm with Jean possessing a high degree of telepathy and telekinesis.
Jean has proven over the years that her status as an Omega Mutant isn't just a title; and as one of Marvel's supreme telepaths she is a force to be reckoned with.
[ POWERS & ABILITIES ]
- Telekinesis - Jean has the ability to utilize telekinesis to produce a variety of effects such as generating shields, emitting energy blasts, and can manipulate objects on a molecular level.
- Telepathy - Jean is also a highly skilled telepath who can read and manipulate minds while defending her own.
[ PURPOSE ]
She grants the amalgamation a powerful control over psionic forces. Jean's mastery of telepathy and telekinesis combined with Mordru's magical command of the same realm make the amalgamation resistant to mental attacks whilst allowing it to mentally dominate foes of a lesser mental power.
What's great about Jean is she provided some much needed versatility for a mere 2 points.
Perks
Before I get too deep into my strategies I'd like to quickly go over my perks for this tournament.
- 1 Hour Prep - I have an hour of prep on the battlefield; thankfully I don't need to do anything fancy or acquire any non-standard equipment to make my amalgamation a threat to most, if not all teams in the tournament.
- Basic Knowledge - With basic knowledge on my foes I have a general idea of their histories, their strengths, their weaknesses, all of the vital information so that I'm never going into a fight blind.
- Character Fusion - My three characters have been fused into one; obviously.
- Adamantium Weapons - I've got an Adamantium Sword, simple really.
With this combination of perks (and my character/s) I should be able to realize my strategy with ease and create a scenario in which victory is guaranteed for the CERBERUS.
Capabilities
Before I go over what my plan is I'll demonstrate the capabilities of my characters and provide some vital information into WHY my prep isn't beyond the realm of logical possibility.
There will be several categories here:
- PHYSICAL - The physical strength, speed, and durability of my amalgamation.
- TECHNOLOGICAL - The technological strengths of my amalgamation.
- MYSTICAL - The magical attributes of my amalgamation.
- PSYCHIC - The psychic (telekinesis/telepathy) capabilities of my amalgamation.
Let's get into it!
PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES - STRENGTH
It's very unlikely that we'll spend much time here as your entire argument ignores physical capabilities, favoring the more esoteric and exotic abilities of your team.
Regardless, it's good to establish a baseline for these attributes.
With my fusion the majority of my physical strength comes from the likes of Cyborg Superman. He has the physical attributes of Superman that have been enhanced by the multiple Green Lantern Rings he wears.
Without the rings CS is capable of overpowering multiple high tier characters in a physical brawl, shown here when he took down Eradicator, Steel, Superboy and Supergirl with ease.
This strength is bolstered with his rings, as we saw that when CS was a member of the Sinestro Corps he was able to absolutely ragdoll Superman.
My fusion should easily be able to hold it's own against your team/fusion in a physical match, but like I mentioned earlier, this likely won't be a major focus point of the debate.
PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES - SPEED
My speed is a similar situation -- Mordru was able to react to an attempt blitz by Jay Garrick & Wonder Woman, teleporting the two away before they could get close to him.
As you can see Mordru dealt with them with a sample wave of his hand, dumping them into a world where physics didn't apply. Jay would've had to cover ground that literally extended forever and a day.
With Cyborg Superman being Superman's exact genetic duplicate he can emulate any of Superman's speed feats -- so he's well within the realm of light-speed, which is then bolstered by his Lantern Rings.
I don't think speed will be an issue for either of our characters, and again, we likely won't be spending much time on this argument.
PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES - DURABILITY
This is where things start to get interesting.
Cyborg Superman went through a black hole completely unscathed.
This is a decent baseline for CS, but it gets better. Like you and most others probably know, Henshaw isn't simply a physical being, he's an energy being, this makes it seemingly impossible to kill him.
At one point he became suicidal -- he WANTED to die, and in an attempt to accomplish this he willingly exposed himself to an explosion that the GLC stated was capable of wiping out the entire Milky Way Galaxy.
Unfortunately, he survived this. His body was torn apart, but his consciousness survived.
Again -- this was a Cyborg Superman who was willingly exposing himself to danger in an attempt to die.
Now, combining the durability of Cyborg Superman with that of Mordru is where things get even trickier, for Mordru is an anomaly.
It was mentioned in the introduction that Mordru's timeline has no beginning, nor end. He was never born, nor will he ever die. This was stated by Hourman when he tried to devolve Mordru with his time-vision.
Furthermore it's been stated that Mordru will continue to exist after the universe and time itself ends. Now, there is a catch. He is one of the Lords of Chaos, which means he's a corporeal entity. Similar to the Lords of Order (think Dr. Fate) he needs mass to focus his magic. Thankfully, with Cyborg Superman being able to constantly provide this mass (and with the mass in our battlefield regenerating every 5 seconds after being destroyed) this won't be a problem.
With these two beings combined, both Cyborg Superman and Mordru, it will likely be impossible for your team to ever actually rid of my fusion, especially with the tools at your disposal.
TECHNOLOGICAL CAPABILITIES
This section of my fusion comes completely from Cyborg Superman as his technopathy is some of DC's best.
BODY CREATION & SELF REPLICATION:
First off all Cyborg Superman can easily create new bodies out of any technology. This ability is best shown when he built a body out of children's toys in mere seconds that was able to go toe to toe with Superman.
He's also been shown to have manipulated DC's Source Wall and he took control of the entire Tribunal Planet. This shows I can easily mimic any planet-takeover strategy as long as there's technology on the planet.
Henshaw can also merge his technology with organic beings to create techno-organic beings, which also grants him access to their knowledge.
In short -- he's like a virus. He can manipulate any and all technology to his will, regardless of the origins of said technology, and cause bond that technology to living beings to possess them in a sense.
Given that the planet we're fighting on (or begin on) has technology on it and that the planet will re-form 5 seconds after being destroyed means that I have a seemingly endless supply of physical bodies to channel Mordru's magic through.
WEAPON GENERATION
Another great aspect of Cyborg Superman's power-set is his ability to adapt mid-combat to any situation.
While in his toy-body he fought Superman Blue (Superman in an energy form) and was able to lock on to his bio-signature. This allowed Henshaw to re-calibrate his heat-vision so that it'd harm Superman Blue even in this energy form. This ability should prove incredibly useful against your team, allowing my fusion to harm you regardless of your state.
To further drive this point home, Henshaw has openly admitted that he can adapt his mechanical body into a weapon suited to fight against different foes.
This means that even if you change your form or think that you've become some invulnerable type of energy that Henshaw should be able to simply adapt and create a new weapon suited to harming you.
GREEN LANTERN RING USAGE
I've also got several Green Lantern Rings at my disposal.
While Henshaw has never been formally trained with any sort of power ring he's been able to efficiently wield both Green and Yellow rings without any problems, even using them to overpower various experienced lanterns such as Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner.
This is likely due to the nature of the rings being somewhat technological, thus putting them under Henshaw's jurisdiction for technological manipulation.
Given that Henshaw didn't use the rings for much more than raw power I might be using scans from other Green Lanterns to establish what the ring can do if needed.
MYSTICAL CAPABILITIES
This section of my fusion comes completely from Mordru. As the most prominent Lord of Chaos he's incredible well-versed in the mystical arts.
ENERGY MANIPULATION - DRAINING
Mordru is very capable of passively draining multiple targets of their energies, be them scientific or magical. He demonstrated this against the JSA when he cast the 'SPELL OF ONYXHUNGER' which absorbs the power of a combatant while combat rages.
He did this to siphon powers from Fate mid-battle to increase his strength.
Simply casting a spell of this nature will allow him to continuously drain his foes while increasing his own strength, something that should prove fatal against a team composition such as your own.
He's also effortlessly removed the Starheart from Alan Scott and was able to take away all the powers of the Legion of Superheroes.
I've got even more draining feats if needed but this should suffice for now.
ENERGY MANIPULATION - PROJECTION
Mordru is also able to offensively apply his energy projection to produce devastating effects.
One such application of this force is when he blew up the planet Skylar which had a population of four billion souls.
So planet-busting is very much within his capabilities.
On a smaller scale he's casually able to destroy constructs created by Alan Scott.
Combining Mordru's energy projection abilities with Cyborg Superman's ability to lock-on to different energy signatures we should be able to harm solar with our blasts, regardless of him being an energy being.
FORCE FIELDS
Mordru is also capable of creating invisible fields that protect him from various attacks. My favorite showing of this is him blocking a blow from Hawkman's mace via one of his fields.
This is interesting because Hawk Man's mace is made of Nth Metal which has the ability to negate magic to some degree.
MATTER MANIPULATION
Mordru also has the ability to manipulate matter to produce a variety of different effects:
- Manipulates his own size and dwarfs Atom Smasher.
- Transmutes Star Man's staff into a snake and turns Alan Scott into wood.
- Regenerates his hand after it was blasted off.
So any sort of size manipulation or transmutation you attempt on me can be easily undone via my own magical prowess.
ASTRAL PROJECTION
Mordru is also capable of harnessing intangibility via his astral form. While weakened he was able to send the hands of his astral form back in time to capture the JSA & JLA. This is noteworthy since he was able to fight against folks such as Alan Scott, Doctor Fate, Hal Jordan, and Superman with his a pair of Astral Hands AND he was weakened.
This also demonstrates his ability to move through time and space without issue.
MISC.
Mordru has more magical abilities but I'm not going to turn this into a respect thread. I think I've mentioned anything worth mentioning for this debate, but may bring up additional, more specific feats if needed.
PSYCHIC CAPABILITIES
Not going to touch on this really -- you shouldn't be able to telepathically overpower Jean or Mordru with the characters you chose and I'm not going to be attacking you via telepathy because of your perk.
It's why Jean has taken a bit of a back seat in this fight.
My Prep
So you've gotten the basics of my characters capabilities but now it's time to realistically apply these abilities.
We've both got battlefield prep so how will I use mine?
Part 1 - Backup Bodies
The first and most logical step here is to use the technology on the planet to build an entire army of backup bodies for my fusion to use should, for some reason, their original body become compromised.
These bodies can be created out of the most basic of technology (as we saw with the toy-scan earlier) and take a few seconds to form -- it's no leap of logic to assume that I could easily build an army to match yours.
They will have the physical attributes and abilities of Cyborg Superman and can all partake in the fight simultaneously -- as Cyborg Superman was able to control 1 billion sentient robots with slight difficulty; an army of non-sentient robots should be MUCH easier to manipulate.
Part 2 - Weakness Destruction
Mordru has one incredibly stupid weakness -- he can't use his magic if he's buried alive or is contained in an airless vault, the only explanation it's been given is that it might be psychosomatic in nature.
As such, using Jean's abilities, we'll be removing that limitation from his mind. Jean provided a similar service for Nezho when she removed a pain trigger so it wouldn't hurt whenever he used his abilities.
Now this is simply being done to cover all my bases. Given that I also have Cyborg Superman's ability to simply body-jump and create new technological bodies at will there shouldn't be any situation where you can actually bury my fusion alive with complete airlessness. A variety of force fields will also be activated (lantern rings, telekinesis, magic) and my main body will become intangible.
Part 3 - Army Summoning
Mordru will summon his army from the 30th Century and will have them all fused with Cyborg Superman's technological might (like we saw earlier when CS fused with an organic being) thus improving their physicals and connecting them to the hive-mind.
Part 4 - The Spell of Onyx Hunger
As mentioned earlier Mordru can cast this spell to continuously drain his foes while simultaneously improving his own power.
Given that we know your team has a rather powerful energy being it'd be stupid of us not to cast this spell and thus begins the draining argument.
I don't believe anything you've shown for Solar thus far shows him countering or draining magic on Mordru's scale -- he's very good at draining naturally occurring energies, or energies based in science, but you've not got a magic user on your team capable of going toe to toe with Mordru.
In fact, Swamp Thing and the other members of Justice League Dark needed Mordru's help to prevent their own magic from being taken from them by the Lords of Order and the Otherkind.
As we see in the scan above the Lords of Order basically gave all of DC's magic users an ultimatum. You can give up all your magic abilities and your memories and live OR you can die.
Originally they'd have had no chance -- we saw John Constantine and Swamp Thing try to defeat Nabu by summoning the Phantom Stranger but Nabu simply contained him in the Helm of Fate, choosing to then take John Constantine who sacrificed himself so that Swamp Thing could flee and warn the others.
Meanwhile, Zatanna and Wonder Woman were instructed to find Mordru. When they do this Mordru explains the differences between Chaos and Order.
Wonder Woman then starts getting pissed -- if Mordru can so easily defeat the forces they're up against then why doesn't he simply just do it?
His answer: He doesn't want to.
Instead Mordru opts to lend some of his power to them so that they can deal with it.
He imparts some of his power into that ruby and gives it to Zatanna and Wonder Woman so that they can stand their ground against the Lords of Order to protect their ownership of magic.
It's worth noting that Mordru gives them enough power to rip the universe in half and then walks off like it's nothing.
This ruby gives power to several different individuals -- Zatanna, Wonder Woman, Detective Chimp, Man Bat, and Swamp Thing.
With a fraction of Mordru's power split between them they're finally able to actually fight back against the Lords of Order. Man Bat is able to see the magic underneath everything -- the rules that guide EVERYTHING -- and then Zatanna instructs him to BREAK THOSE RULES. We even see Detective Chimp use his sword to cut through magic because he simply decided that it could.
In short -- they became REALLY freaking powerful. Detective Chimp was able to cut off the source of magic for the Lords of Order and it was told that they tore magic apart with the ruby and Mordru's power.
SO why does this matter, why did I just go on this huge tangent?
To explain why I think Mordru is the far superior magic user over Swamp Thing. He was able to lend a fraction of his power to several magic users in the DCU (including Swamp Thing, who you've shown is very power) so that they could overcome a force that would've taken all magic from them if unaided.
Because of this -- nobody on your roster should be able to contest Mordru's magic.
To add to the strength of his draining abilities we've also got Cyborg Superman who can effortless adapt to situations and create weapons designed to target his foes weaknesses.
The robotic army I've created can work alongside one another to continue draining your team to oblivion, all while powering Mordru up since the Spell of Onyx Hunger will be on-going.
If it's a draining fight you want, it's a draining fight you'll get, and Mordru's magic is going to be far too much for your team to content with, even with how versatile you've shown Swamp Thing & Solar to be.
The Battle
Once this battle starts you're instantly going to try and drain me -- which won't work. Nothing you've shown leads me to believe that Mordru nor Cyborg Superman can't deal with Solar's draining and I firmly believe that Mordru's magic is the nail in your coffin.
We're both "unkillable" in the parameters of this battle so it comes down to draining the other of their abiltiies.
You've also talked about how Solar can de-power folks by removing their abilities, but in your example you showed Solar removing power that he had lent to someone else, which isn't nearly as impressive as Mordru de-powering the entirety of the LOS with one of his spells.
Manipulating my team via bacteria is useless since we're all robotic in nature, Mordru also has completely molecular control of his own body and was able to completely resist transmutation from Element Lad, as seen below.
In fact, a couple issues later, we see that Element Lad couldn't control his powers after his engagement with Mordru -- it backfired HORRIBLY on him.
You can try and bombard us with energy attacks but the combined strength of our innate resistance to energy attacks and force fields that can be provided via lantern rings, magic, or telekinesis, I don't see that having much of an impact at all.
Mordru's ability to move through time and space should also allow us to find you if you plan on moving somewhere outside the timeline -- he's done it before and he can easily do it again, hiding from my team is just prolonging the inevitable since you can't actually do anything to us.
In conclusion, I think your plan backfired horribly. Lesser teams might've succumbed to your assault but I very much believe that my team has the versatility and strength to overcome all of your attacks.
Mordru's only been bested by BFR or from people taking advantage of a weakness that Cyborg Superman and Jean can both eliminate.
I look forward to your response and to actually getting into some counters for this debate, but I don't like countering much in my first post/opener -- it feels unfair to target too much of what you said so early on.
Good luck!
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