There is a slim chance Quicksilver can KO her before she slows time, reduces him to the speed of a snail, then incinerates him at her leisure in any number of gruesome ways (and she is likely to to polish off an enemy in gruesome ways without being blood lusted).
But due to her super strong and durable make up, I just don't think he can do that in time.
(B) Even it was---if The Sword has a "Beyond The DC Universe" power level, and the Gauntlet doesn't-then it still wouldn't matter. That would mean the Sword is still superior.
@thegreatlordd: You've put a lot of work into making your presentation, and it's clear you believe you've made some grand point. But "multiversal" is not "infinite". There is a clear limit to the Gauntlet. because once it got out of the confines of The Marvel Portion of Reality, it did not function.
In clear, easy to see, unmistakable large pictures, it did not work. A limit was clearly displayed..
No such limits was displayed, or even mentioned for the Sword. Therefore, no matter how many times you continue to futilely tag me:
Anyone claiming the Infinity Gauntlet-for sure-is superior to the Sword (or at least, sooooo superior that it would definitely overpower it) is certainly entitled to claim this-but no real evidence, other than their say so-has been provided.
A power item that has an apparent one universe effective limit would therefore appear to be inferior to a power item that has no such limit. All the universes you mention still occurred in The Marvel Section of Reality-there is no evidence the Gauntlet would effect anything beyond that-and in fact, the object not working for Darkseid would seem to put an exclamation mark on it being unable to.
No limits were mentioned for this artifact. So anyone claiming the Infinity Gauntlet-for sure-is superior to the Sword (or at least, sooooo superior that it would definitely overpower it) is certainly entitled to claim this-but no real evidence, other than their say so-has been provided.
@thegreatlordd: A power item that has an apparent one universe effective limit would therefore appear to be inferior to a power item that has no such limit. All the universes you mention still occurred in The Marvel Section of Reality-there is no evidence the Gauntlet would effect anything beyond that-and in fact, the object not working for Darkseid would seem to put an exclamation mark on it being unable to.
It was ultimate power (he had already performed feats like banishing all evil from the universe) and was one step from not just having ultimate power, but becoming the power itself, before rejecting it in the end
No limits were mentioned for this artifact. So anyone claiming the Infinity Gauntlet-for sure-is superior to the Sword (or at least, sooooo superior that it would definitely overpower it) is certainly entitled to claim this-but no real evidence, other than their say so-has been provided.
Okay, let's put Superman aside for now; after all, there's no guarantee he'd be facing him.
Radd can obliterate Shazam!
While it is certainly true he can beat him, I don't know about "obliterate".
Why not? Surfer is easily durable enough to take any blows Batson throw his way, but he wouldn't have to; he simply sees the attack coming, dodges or phases through him, then TPs him
Captain Marvel has, among other feats sent flying through the air a creature with the combined powers and durability of The Elongated Man, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, and Superman https://imgur.com/a/fodJG so Surfer is not "easily" durable enough to take a beating from him for sure; and Marvel has feats like resisting The Spear of Destiny controlling him
and using the Wisdom Of Solomon to resist one of his arch enemies, Mr. Mind's TP http://i.imgur.com/HSrhbMC.jpg so I would have to say Radd being able to TP Batson is not a sure thing
Surfer's matter manipulation? ray blasts?
Those things might work. But,(A) given that Radd has many incidents of having a hard time against magical opponents including Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Dr. Strange and more (even Galuctus, who has much more Power Cosmic has publicly expressed his disdain for it because of what it's unpredictable qualities have done to him in fights) and (B) Batson's durability feats include going toe to toe with opponents with the durability feats of Wonder Woman and Superman, showing he is on par with them (in some of his fights with Kal, he even no showed blows Supes threw); withstanding several assaults from an enraged, unleashed Spectre (he soon got an amp from Enchantress that directed magic from multiple sorcerers and even millions of every day people to Cap, which enabled him to last longer, but to hold out initially is impressive) and, because of his magic endowed body, enduring a tesseract bomb that his JLA team mates-even Superman-might not have survived http://i.imgur.com/CdUkPQv.jpg. T
Therefore, it's not a sure thing Surfer's ray blasts are enough to defeat Shazam, for sure.
Because of Shazam's magic, combat speed, and striking power, this battle would appear to be anyone's game, too.
Well, it a sure thing Radd can beat the Martian!
A possibility? Absolutely. A "sure thing"? Well-
J'onn J'onzz legitimately has the combat speed, strength and striking power to possibly KO Radd; can phase to avoid all his attacks; and most importantly:
J'onn's TP feats of of effectively breaking his way through the barriers that protect the minds of of gods, demons, cosmic entities, reality warpers, sorcerers regardless of how strong their defenses are and other powerful telepaths speaks for itself-
the Martian has feats like mentally shielding himself and the minds of his friends as well as operating in spans of picoseconds while unconsciously tracking a Flash through multiple timelines. His telepathy has enabled him scan, influence, or use every mind on Earth at least three times (including in this situation against D'Kay'D'Raz https://imgur.com/a/Zlt3G ), keep his entire Martian race of reaching the afterlife subconsciously (it's difficult enough to keep a planet of regular people from doing what they want to do, much less a planet full of telepaths), achieve the accomplishment of breaching the Spectre's mind-not through a mortal host, but the actual Spectre-more than once, gather all thoughts throughout the DC Universe to shield against Solaris, and enter the Overmind of Heaven---as far as I know, a feat that, besides J'onn has only been accomplished by the omnipotent Great Evil Beast---the dark equivalent of the Presence.
Surfer in no way has TP resistance soooo much more "special" than those situations that he-for sure-could resist the Martian.
So, just like in battle with Superman and Shazam, but for different reasons-primarily J'onn's superlative TP-a Surfer/Manhunter clash is anybody's game.
It's beyond obvious-Silver Surfer alone can solo the DC team.
Effortlessly.
Take Surfer against Superman. Radd would instantly matter manipulate Superman. Battle over.
Umm-that is not necessarily true; when it comes to Superman facing matter manipulation-
TRANSMUTATION/MOLECULAR MANIPULATION-Superman has withstood his molecules being transformed by mega powerful opponents such as the husband and wife team of Sodom and Gamorra http://imgur.com/a/eX4IS Skyhook http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81805/1686017-supestransmutation.jpgwho was empowered by Blaze, a Death Goddess powerful enough to challenge Neron for control of The Nether Realms and WIN; Disciple, who was powered by several Elder Gods, who matter manipulated humanity into a prehistoric state on a planetary scale, and-though he altered the bodies/molecules of of the JLA-including Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Kyle Rayner Green Lantern-Kal tanked his efforts, smiled, said "Is that the best you got?" then snatched his staffhttp://imgur.com/a/JvgnY; Superman resisted someone matter manipulating a big 'ol hole in his body https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1066951 and he immediately pimp slapped the dude for his effrontery https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-1066950 ; and Darkseid during the "Legends" mini series (who's Omega Effect was attuned to Superman's exact molecular structure, yet Kal fought back against this)http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/45351/2350861-1066461_1183yv_super.jpg (and here is the rarely seen next scene where Supes immediately hits Darkseid back (Superman states that Kryptonite is a worse feeling)
There's more on stand by, but the above examples are MORE than enough to prove the point. I just don't see Surfer's powers being SOOO much more "special" than those beings that he could-FOR SURE- achieve what they could not.
Oh. Well, Radd would just drain Kal's solar energy. The Man Of Steel would be toast, then.
Indeed. Wait, what's this---
DRAINING-there is no reason why Kal couldn't re absorb his own solar energy back from Radd. Since this is one of the ways Radd's powers work: As revealed in the "Annihilation" story arc, The Surfer's skin is designed to absorb various energies from beta particles to light. He is constantly being charged from hundreds of nearby stars and energies from distant galaxies. He can change this absorption into reflection if he chooses ---and this is how Superman's powers work: Superman can also absorb solar energies of other class stars such as white stars and also when he absorbed the solar energies of a blue star that increased his abilities to a higher degree and gave him additional abilities. The light of dwarf stars, pulsars, and quasars also grants Superman different abilities---- in Surfer's case it is highly doubtful Supes can be drained by him, since as he's doing it Kal will be absorbing that energy, and any star energy Surfer is casually absorbing, right back from him. Even the most miniscule amount or strain of heat/solar energy can be drained by Supes from a person (like Rampage, and this is the WEAKER JOHN BYRNE version of Kal)
So given the above examples it simply defies logic to claim Superman, who drained-fairly quickly-a half a galaxy destroyingamount of anti sunlight from Megaddon will have much trouble reabsorbing his own solar energy back from Radd, probably in mid transfer.
The facts above, along with Supes surviving draining from Parasite (who can drain any form of energy, and can drain people down to their DNA and become them) make it clear that "draining" Superman is not a sure thing. Superman NATURALLY, CASUALLY absorbs all kinds of solar energy not just from the sun, but from neighboring stars, quasars, dwarf stars, even the secondary solar energy found in the Earth and the photosynthesis solar energy stored in plants---therefore Radd really has no way to prevent Superman re absorbing his own solar energy back-or even casually soaking up the star energy that Radd casually absorbs. Superman can literally absorb solar energy just by standing next to Surfer.
The above would seem to indicate draining Superman is not so easily achieved, after all.
Okay then, Radd will just sic a Red Sun on him! HA!
Yes, of course. Red Sun gets involved, it's immediately over!
Well, except---
RED SUN-that is NOT an insta/cinch win over Kal. Someone that can endure this amount of red sun radiation while inside a Sun Eater and endure a supernova fifty times bigger than Keppler's supernova at the same timehttp://imgur.com/a/5fpnT; in the "Krypton Returns" story line, at one point go back in time and stay under a red sun, but not have his powers INSTANTLY evaporate and even after being there for quite awhile still maintain a lot of power (using his heat vision to power engines that stop an exact replica of Krypton from falling into its sun, which at this time, Krypton was said to have approximately 16 times the mass of Earth); in the 'Final Night' story line, Superman effectively used up his entire store of energy (as he had no sun to recharge him) and that period was at least weeks long; or, at the closing of the Infinite Crisis mini series fly through an entire red sun (and onto a planet laced with kryptonite for good measure)and still keep going is not going to-for sure-be instantly dropped by Radd. Long before Kal got to a diminished capacity he would fight back against Radd (he is certainly not going to just stand like a statue and do nothing in the meantime).
What was I thinking---Kryptonite will take out the Kryptonian! There you go---Kryptonite always works!!
Well---actually---
KRYPTONITE- A) Since STRICTLY, ONLY Kryptonite from Superman's Earth One universe affects him, and/or a person STRICTLY, ONLY from Superman's Earth One universe can obtain/create the proper type, Surfer won't be able to utilize Kryptonite (this is true of all Supermen, Kryptonite has to be from their particular universe to harm them
(B) Even in the "combined" universe that is Comic Vine, there is no proof that Zenn-La, where Radd is from, is in the Earth One universe-it could be in Earth 2, the Apokolips Universe, or anywhere so STILL no go (C) Foreshadowing his eventual Kingdom Come Era virtual immunity from it, Kal has resisted Kryptonite more and more in recent years, still going after taking Metallo's Kryptonite Bomb followed by lingering Kryptonite radiation clouds and before that, despite being covered in Metallo's Kryptonite dust, defeating him and the rest of The Anti Kryptonian Squad (whose membership included Nuklon, Mongul, and Bizarro, all Superman level foes) (D) speaking of Metallo, even if Radd managed to miraculously create or obtain the correct kind, The Man Of Steel regularly out maneuvers, withstands, and defeats him,The Kryptonite Man, and Titano The Giant Ape that emits Kryptonite-three opponents who are ALL ABOUT Kryptonite attacks, thus all of these factors show using that tactic against him is NOT a sure thing,
faster than teleportation (Superman flew from Pluto , back to Earth in the same amount of time, or faster , than the Outlaws were able to teleport back to earth. That is 4.67 billion miles , in seconds, and Supes did this despite the fact he had to first work around Tamaranian cloaking tech designed to hide them from him)
is a blue print for how a Superman/Surfer could possibly go (nowhere in any dialogue circle, thought bubble, or narration box does it say that Runner was moving at combat speeds (not travel-combat) during his battle with Radd that Supes can't match).
Martian Manhunter on at least three occasions, including the above incident (note how a shocked Jonn' states that Supes, quote, "forced me out" of Kal's mind-there are few beings who could even momentarily STALL the Martian, much less do THAT); Braniac http://imgur.com/a/VCnVG (note how, despite Braniac amping up ever increasing "more power" in his TP assault, he is not able to take over Kal, ultimately destroying HIMSELF in his attempts); Maxwell Lord, even after several months of clandestine work, and finally having Supes under his control is not able to force Kal to kill http://i.imgur.com/Y1oio8F.jpg resists mind domination attacks from Neron;
above, defies Eradicator (note how, as Superman resists Eradicator, he helpfully remembers several OTHER powerful TP's that he has resisted over the years
shortly after Kal soon uses his devastating heat vision to achieve victory);
Eclipso in "Superman The Man Of Steel Annual I" 1"http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72524/3164188-1885471987-30567.jpg -Superman remarks afterwards that over the years he's built up resistance to telepathy; resists the simultaneous mental AND spiritual assault of "The Light Of Heaven" from Asmodel the Angel, which when effective results in instant madness http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/wonder-woman-vs-magneto-1714954/?page=5(post 209; click the "spoilers" icon, it's the third scan); and Superman resists the being known as Hfuhruhurr, or "Union" despite this adversary having TP derived from the power of countless stolen brains throughout the universe. Note how the shocked telepath shouts "Impossible! He's broken free" during their battle
Superman soon goes on to beat Union up for his effrontery.
There are many, Many, MANY more examples so while it has worked against Kal before, TP against Superman is NOT a "cinch win" for Norrin (unless someone wants to argue that Radd's TP is somehow more "special" than ALL those people I mentioned).
Ah, Surfer will blast Superman's overrated hide to Kingdom Come!
Yeah, that'll get him! Radd is a well know planet buster---Superman would have no chance of surviving that!
Ahem, except for-
Wait-don't tell me-
RAY BLASTS-since Kal's durability feats include the aforementioned supernova feat, absorbing the half a galaxy destroying ANTI sun energy from Megaddon and SMILING https://imgur.com/a/aHR4A, and, except for saying "UUUHH" tanking the "destroy 10 Star Systems in one go" blasts of the Void Hound, a construct that doesn't have the capacity to show mercy, or to "hold back" it's power http://imgur.com/a/ZvaG2 (just a test run of it's blasts destroyed 10 Star Systems in one go http://i.imgur.com/2gREOpX.jpg , I believe Surfer's blasts won't be a problem.
Not to mention, Supes, if he didn't want to be bothered, could vibrate to intangibility and let them pass harmlessly through him (the way he did in Superman issue 175 which rendered Doomsday's punches, flame breath, and eyeball energy blasts useless,
or Mongul's punches
and how he did in Superman issue 170 which rendered Mogul's and Mongal's combined energy blasts ineffective).
The above vividly illustrates that Superman can resist all of Radd's tactics
Not quite! The last strategy you mentioned Superman could use, intangibility-
Yes?
You forget that Surfer can phase to intangibility too! Supes can't touch him in that event. so at best, things would be a stalemate! Ha HA!
Uh, well---
No way---
Yes, way---
Going intangible won't help Radd-
Superman's heat vision can affect ghost like, or intangible opponents like here http://i.imgur.com/XtHpJwz.jpg and here, against The Weird, who can alter his body to phase, and/or achieve an intangible state http://i.imgur.com/nJM7Kp6.jpg And since Post Crisis Supes, due to the "Rebirth" story line, is now combined with the history, experiences, and abilities of N52 Superman---Kal can freeze intangible opponents with a flash freeze http://i.imgur.com/cqvteCC.jpg ; his breath is powerful enough to freeze his equal Bizarro in place http://i.imgur.com/HGLESCH.jpg
Coming up shortly is a description of just how powerful the heat vision can be, so the above is more evidence Superman can affect Surfer whether he is intangible or not (although, since the character has been physically affected by opponents many times, the point is moot).
Hmmm.
Grrrrrrrrr.
Okay, Mr. Smarty Pants---Superman has no way of really harming Surfer, even if he has shown resistance to Radd's tactics. So There!
Yeah, got me there.
You bet your *BLEEEP* I do! For instance, Norin could erect a force field around himself! Supes has no history of penetrating force fields!
That last thing you said---actually---
Oh, no...don't tell me...
Actually-
SILVER SURFER'S FORCE FIELD-If Surfer erected a force field, Superman has physically smashed force fields, such as Green Lantern force field constructs, by John Stewart
and Kyle Rayner
and his heat vision is powerful enough to disrupt and break through force fields with infinite event horizons...
...The heat vision is even capable of repairing reality itself http://i.imgur.com/qa9CHtW.jpg more evidence Radd's force fields might be bypassed by Kal).
Okay, but how can Superman take out Surfer himself, though??
Well,
OVERWHELM SURFER WITH COMBAT SPEED AND PHYSICAL POWER-As noted earlier, statistically, Superman uses combat speed waaaay more often, and with better strategy than Radd (a user in another thread awhile back displayed over 80 examples where Kal used his speed and/or blitzed right off). And Supes has the strength and striking power ( can one shot smash a meteor big and dense enough to destroy the Earth http://i.imgur.com/b6ISW3b.jpg which, since Kal can smash something that can destroy a planet makes him a planet smasher) to KO Surfer before he can recover enough to fight back, or at least stun him long enough to do one of the following things:
COUNTER VIBRATION-(A) If Superman can match the natural vibrational frequency of the abstract form of Darkseid, or on another occasion a large, other reality, omniverse threatening, molecularly unstable planet, counter vibrate them, then wipe them out of existence...
...it defies logic that he can't do the same to a not nearly as large, 6 foot or so humanoid
BATTLE FIELD REMOVAL-(B) If all else fails, Kal can BFR Surfer into the Phantom Zone, or, while giving him planet smashing punishment on the way there, super speed rush Radd onto the Source Wall.
So clearly, Superman can defeat Silver Surfer.
You know, I have to admit, I didn't think of that way---it's not so impossible for Superman to beat him. And if Radd beats Kal-which he absolutely can-it wouldn't be as easy as I thought! Anyone who sees this, they would have to admit the evidence shows that; and if they had a problem with it, I'm sure they would counter the points of the post, and not create silly gifs or memes, scoff without stating why, name call, make off topic remarks, or things of that nature that do nothing to refute what has been stated!
Pre Crisis Superman obliterates Thanos, laughing all the while he's doing so.
As Darkseid proved while trying to use it, The Infinity Gauntlet only works in the Marvel universe; no such limitations have been mentioned for The Sword.
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