Morpheus

The information we get from this page is

The Premordeals predate time --------------> this information , even though known in the series is questioned by many as time flowed after Chronos's death , but nobody ever claimed Chronos was time but that he just started/created it , this is consistent with Morpheus and Nyx predating time.

The Premordeals aren't beings but conceptual embodiments --------------> as said , they are quissential abstractions of nature , and thus Nyx is night incarnate and Morpheus is dream incarnate and their domains are shared by say Thanatos's domain of death which binds the cosmology and there are few more but that should be enough.

Morpheus's realm is metaphysical --------------> in Morpheus's realm where he resides and most likely created , he created it in such a way that time is a completely disorted and imagination intersects with reality to cause the time distortion and a strange realm.

The Terminology --------------> the terms here refer to certain characters and locations , the light that illuminates the world refers to the Great God Helios , world of man refers to the conventional Greek universe , world of gods refer to Zeus's mount Olympus/Hades's underworld e.t.c. , world of night refers to Nyx's domain of darkness and world of dreams refers to Morpheus's realm.

Morpheus can merge all --------------> the entire quote is well regarding Morpheus and Nyx , Morpheus mainly so the last thing should be done by Morpheus , we know that even when Helios wasn't born back during Chronos's Reign that the world was already stable and existing ( as we see in the Zeus flashbacks ) so it has to be done by a being which is Morpheus , basically Morpheus can merge the entire Greek multiverse into one world of darkness under his control ( control of God ) if the Light that illuminates the world was ever to fall.

Helios is more powerful then Morpheus --------------> in the last section we explained how Morpheus can merge the entire cosmology into one , but he can only do it, If Helios was to fall , now this tells us a lot regarding Helios , Helios's mere presence has completely bound Morpheus's hands , so due to neing able to stop Morpheus's plans with his mere existence , he should be above Morpheus and his power to merge the cosmology into one , Helios being above premordeals is consistent as he caused Nyx to retreat into the nightskies every single time the cycle of day and night continues so Helios should scale above the premordeals , can interact with them ( even though they are concepts ) and is above low Multiversal feats such as Merging of all realms.

Uranus

Uranus is the father of the universe and the embodiment of heavens , what does heavens mean you may ask? going furthur beyond , we see here what the term " Heavens " really refers too , there is an instrument in god of war named the Antikythera mechanism which exists in real life , the real life usage of this machine is to study the entireity of the cosmos and the passage of time , but the primary usage is to study the cosmos

The Antikythera mechanism (/ˌæntɪkɪˈθɪərə/AN-tih-kih-THEER-ə) is an Ancient Greek hand-powered orrery, described as the oldest example of an analogue computer[1][2][3]used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance.[4][5][6]It could also be used to track the four-year cycle of athletic games which was similar to an Olympiad, the cycle of the ancient Olympic Games.[7][8][9]

so the usage of the Antikythera mechanism in real life was to study the cosmos to understand the cosmos , the passage of time and such and thus we can say the overall job of the mechanism was to understand and the tracking of the cosmos on a deeper level , and the duty of the Antikythera mechanism in God of war is the same but the term cosmos here is replaced by the term " heavens "

by this we can conclude two seprate things , first that the term Heavens refers to the actual Cosmos as the Antikythera mechanism is used to study cosmos in in real life while heavens in God of war , but the mechanism is a real one so we can conclude heavens refers to cosmos and second we can conclude by this that the actual universe of ours and the God of war universe is the same otherwise the Antikythera machine would be irrelevant so there goes tiny stars argument, but going furthur beyond its confirmed that GOW stars are legitmate.

so in practical terms , Uranus is the very embodiment of the universe and the cosmos ( or heavens ) itself , now this is consistent when we see how the universe was created , Thalassa launched a powerful punch on Uranus and send all the stars and galaxies flying out of Uranus's body, thats how the universe was created.

https://gfycat.com/alienatedalertanophelesmosquito

and the information that the universe was created here is reaffirmed by two words of gods

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now Uranus would scale to Thalassa's punch for a plethora for a variety of reasons such as him being the original ruler of the universe and not thalassa

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secondly , Thalassa died during the great war , she changed her size to ocean size and fell into the ocean and became the embodiment of ocean while Uranus survived the great war.

thirdly , Uranus is the one who stablized Chaos , the creator of the premordeals and the true premordeal realm , its straight up implied Uranus defeated and brought order to the premordeal realm of chaos , and thus , surpassing even the creator of the premordeals

fifthly , Uranus was never defeated by a premordeal and straight up ruled till Chronos overthrew him , Chronos's birth was after Thalassa's death

and sixthly , Uranus contained the mass of the universe inside his body and could move at MFTL+ with all that mass inside his body as seen in the Thalassa scene , the galaxies inside Uranus are infinitely small compared to the distance Uranus moved there.

and lastly , from the information above we can safely conclude that Uranus survived Thalassa's punch to the face as he didn't die until Chronos defeated him.

so by this we can say Uranus can move MFTL+ and contain entire universes inside of him and thalassa can send the universe flying out of Uranus with a punch which uranus himself survived

Atlas

Atlas , is the most powerful titan in existence on a physical level , his power is shown when he was capable of holding the entireity of the world on his shoulders , but the term " world " is quite vague won't you agree? we will today take a deep dive upon what Atlas truly holds up on his shoulders at the all time.

first of all , I would like to kill the support garbage immidiately , that contradicts Persephone's statement during Chains of Olympus , the concept art and things people percieve as " supports " mean absolutely nothing when contradicted by the main game and a major character's entire motive in a major game in the franchise

Atlas is far from his prime and is the very encarnation of strength and endurance , so that makes it even more impressive that Atlas far from his prime can achieve this , this also means Atlas is metaphysical and an conceptual embodiment

now what is stated to be held up by Atlas? " World " , now world is a strange term , it could mean anything most of the time , and thus we could simply use the other statements about Atlas's strength , such as from God of war 2 era , this source is one year before the release of God of War : Chains of Olympus and it explains us how the God of war " heavens " is ALSO held up by Atlas.

going furthur beyond , we see here what the term " Heavens " really refers too , there is an instrument in god of war named the Antikythera mechanism which exists in real life , the real life usage of this machine is to study the entireity of the cosmos and the passage of time , but the primary usage is to study the cosmos

The Antikythera mechanism (/ˌæntɪkɪˈθɪərə/AN-tih-kih-THEER-ə) is an Ancient Greek hand-powered orrery, described as the oldest example of an analogue computer[1][2][3]used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance.[4][5][6]It could also be used to track the four-year cycle of athletic games which was similar to an Olympiad, the cycle of the ancient Olympic Games.[7][8][9]

so the usage of the Antikythera mechanism in real life was to study the cosmos to understand the cosmos , the passage of time and such and thus we can say the overall job of the mechanism was to understand and the tracking of the cosmos on a deeper level , and the duty of the Antikythera mechanism in God of war is the same but the term cosmos here is replaced by the term " heavens "

by this we can conclude two seprate things , first that the term Heavens refers to the actual Cosmos as the Antikythera mechanism is used to study cosmos in in real life while heavens in God of war , but the mechanism is a real one so we can conclude heavens refers to cosmos and second we can conclude by this that the actual universe of ours and the God of war universe is the same otherwise the Antikythera machine would be irrelevant so there goes tiny stars argument.

but even furthur confirmation , the universe was created by a fist punch to the face of Uranus whose stars and such blew from inside of him and created a universe and thus thats the universe creation story and Uranus is listed as the embodiment of " heavens "

and yes we're directly told the stars in god of war are completely real, the Antikythera mechanism already proved it but direct Word of God also helps convincing those who despise the series

so that makes it very clear , heavens refers to the cosmos itself and Uranus is the enbidiment of cosmos in short , and thus we know that Atlas is holding up the actual universe on his shoulders as heavens refers to cosmos

but don't worry there is more , as we know Atlas kind of replaced the World pillar and the world Pillar's destruction , per Persephone's above dialogue clearly meant that it would revert the world back into chaos.

but what is Chaos? Chaos is the premordeal realm of darkness that even happens to predate the creation and stablization of the universe by Uranus , basically the universe was going to be reverted back to the state it was in before even Uranus

and no , all of creation aka all of the universe , underworld, morpheus's realm , Nyx's realm and every single thing was gonna turn back into chaos , all of creation was gonna be effected and destroyed/cease to exist due to destruction of the world pillar and this is backed up two literary sources regarding timelines of the games and events.

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and as we see at the end of God of War chains of Olympus , Persephone's death causes a massive explosion that destroys the World pillar and forces Kratos to chain Atlas up to it so basically Atlas replaced the World pillar and was enslaved holdong the world up permanently

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thats enough about Atlas, lets talk about his uncle now , Hyperion was another Titan who should canonically be inferior to Chronos and Atlas as sources agree Atlas is the mightiest of the titans physically and Chronos was their king and is only a little weaker then Atlas per word of God, Hyperion forged a spear in the middle of the sun with enough power to bear the weight of the entire cosmos.

now on a surface level this may just seem like an obvious hyberbole , but the senior staff and Lead Animation director of the Santa Monica Studios , named Bruno Valesquez has actually answered and told us directly that the description is actually true bluntly.

and thus the word of God kills any argument against the Spear of Hyperion and yes the m and before people question , yes its directly stated that the Multiplayer items are canon and are proper lore items and the descriptions exist so they can give us lore

Zeus

Zeus is the defacto Leader of the Gods , and is , by far the most powerful being in all of Greek Mythology , his power being too great for anyone to stand upto him in the entire Greek saga with the obvious exception of Kratos , he is the son of Chronos and the grandson of Uranus, and he is the current master of the universe , and no it's not exactly......a father to sun kind of deal where the control is given over peacefully , he and his brothers destroyed the entire titan race in thr Great War to take over the world.

regarding Uranus , Chronos , the son of Uranus , defeated and dismembered Uranus , in a battle of similar cosmic scale as the start of Ascension and Chronos won that battle , this is confirmed by multiple sources

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now Zeus can one shot any titan or Olympian or Titan , including chronos , how? Aegaeon Hecatonchires is confirmed to be just as strong as Atlas himself, and a bit stronger than a Cronos , he is just as strong as Atlas who can , while depowered due to losing his soul, can still easily tank the universe falling on his face and carry the entire universal/multi universe on top of his head with his arms , and Aegaeon is just as strong , this also tells us that Cronos and Atlas are almost on pat with each other with Atlas just a bit stronger.

And despite that, he was unable to even damage chains which trapped him forcenturies, same chains that Zeus was able to effortlessly destroy , in one shot:

https://youtu.be/D-xHCaUFFcE

the two strongest Titan that fought in the Great War were Atlas and Cronos , the second two strongest Olympians were Hades and Posiedon , we see a battle between Hades/Posiedon and Atlas/Chronos, Hades defeats Chronos and Posiedon weakens atlas enough for Hades to rip his soul out.

https://youtu.be/D-xHCaUFFcE

but as shown above , Zeus literally one shotted the entire Titan race using the power of the Blade of Olympus and the Blade of Olympus is simply a concentration of Zeus's own Godly might.

we should take into account how Hades , when he defeated Chronos and then absorbed Atlas's soul , was far weaker then current Hades because Hades gets stronger everytime someone dies and he also took Atlas's soul so on top of constant amps for thousands of years after the Great war he also has atleast half of Atlas's own power.

now we've already established, massively pre prime.Hades ~ probably massively pre prime Posiedon ~ Atlas > Chronos , but compared to Zeus , none of them can last more then a single blow , for example its implied that a casual lightning bolt from Zeus would've easily killed Prime Hades with both Atlas's soul and potentially billions of little amps , on spot and Zeus merely angering forced Posiedon and Zeus backwards , they both clearly fear a single Lightning boult would immidiately kill them.

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heck Zeus considered the entire titan race's power to be nigh irrelevant against him as he is the king of the gods

The fastest of the Olympians is Hermes and with a non threatning lightning blast that wasn't meant to kill Hermes , Zeus easily perception blitzed Hermes , meaning no Olympian can even react to Zeus's lightning , casual ones at that.

finally , Zeus considered turning all the Olympains into ash immidiately because he considered them to be annoying as they were plotting behind his back.

As we already established, the Blade of Olympus is a part of Zeus's normal arsenal and its power come from the fact that its Infused with Zeus's own Godly and Divine power , the same blade is stated to be capable of completely dissipating Hades into nothing with a casual swing.

while zeus could block and even temporarily overpower multiple such swings from the Blade of Olympus by Kratos , Zeus did it with his bare hands.

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this means that Zeus with a punch , a boult of lightning, a single Blade of Olympus strike or even a kick can easily one shot any being in Greek saga of God of war with the obvious exception of Kratos , he can one shot his entire pantheon if he really wishes to , only thing stopping him are his own laws and rules and his understanding of the balance of the world ,, Zeus is incomprehensibly above anything mentioned by me regarding greek cosmology.

Norse Cosmos

now the norse realms in the God of War franchise caused quite a bit of " uproar " if you wanna put it like that , first of all how big was the greek world and how was the world in greek realms destroyed but not the norse realms , Director Cory Barlog compares the Greek realms to be destroyed in the same sense as we would percieve our universe being destroyed, he compares their perception of the universe to ours

• "What I was talking about was the idea that all the mythologies of the world are kinda like this Hubble Telescope Image. They are like galaxies spread out through a complete universe, and the world is the universe. They are sort of the origin stories of various cultures throughout the world, starting from the beginning of time and stretching all the way out, so at any given time all the mythologies existed together - and currently - and they are simply separated by geography. This is important because some people had the conception that Kratos at the end of God of War III destroyed the world. Well, he destroyed what they believed the world was in Greece, their version of the world. Everybody believed their world was the only world; in fact, we still believe that today."

from recent information from Director Bruno Valezquez , we understand the realms are alternate versions of each other

• Realms in this case are different versions of the same place that exist in the same universe. What you see in the game are tears that open up to other realms. A shortcut to access them

regarding some furthur investigation , you may believe this completely disproves the idea that they are different universes but thats where you would be wrong , because Cory barlog explains it to us pretty well

• cory barlog-all of them. they have all carved out their piece of history. When talking about the "universe" though, they are - in my mind - referring to the universe's that they themselves have dominion over.The greater "actual" universe has yet to be explored...

as cory Barlog explains , the gods have dominion over universes , all these universes are also a part of another universe and thus that shows us there are many universes at play here and thus Bruno's statenent doesn't contradict anything

now a quest from GOW ragnarok implies that these are planets between sun and moon , such as Midgard

but there is more , Midgard is the centre of everything basically

so basically these could just be a bunch of planets in same universe? nope not true , they exist on different planes of existence

• All nine realms occupy the same physical space, only on different planes of existence.”

you can't travel to other pantheon realms without actual hax such as unity stone according to the supreme primary canon , the games , and the same goes for the realms

• “That’s the Unity Stone! If Tyr possessed this, that explains how he could visit all the other realms, and other lands, to boot."

the realms have different space and unique outerspaces and such

and a different dimension of time with a completely seprate flow of it

The Physical space statement? out of context , it is regarding the Yggdrasil , not the normal outer space

• "All the realms exist in the same physical space - reflections of each other. These doors, the towers outside, and the nine realms are all intertwined, and co-existing on the branches of the World Tree."

.this statement is furthur reconfirmed by Bruno Valesquez who says the same thing as Freya , the tower and the bridge and the lake of nine are pretty much omnipresent in every part of the norse universe , these parts are meant to have some connections to the Yggdrasil and thus they are omnipresent , as Bruno said the evidence the temple and travel room exist in all of them is meant to specify same space , and here we see that , what are the tower and room for? traversing the Yggdrasil, also confirming Kratos doesn't need Unity stones to traverse to other lands canonically , atleast during him leaving Greek with some of the power of hope and the fact that Greece died with the Olympians.

• The nine realms exist on the same space as indicated by Tyrs temple and the travel room. You just need a means to step between them. Midgard is just another word for the earth. This is why Kratos walked from Greece to the Norse lands. Midgard is not infinitely expanding.

and we know they are equal in size as mirrors of each other , finally there is a statement from Bruno Valesquez that implies Scandivania , Egypt and greece all exist on same planet

• Greece and Egypt are in the same planet and so is Scandinavia. I think the blades are on fire to show that he can never outrun them. Remember in GoW 2018 the blades where the only fire that can burn in Helheim

but Cory Barlog compares it to a hubble telescope where all these mythologies exist seprately like galaxies and such

• “The way I see the mythologies (in God of War) is kinda like that Hubble telescope image. That image shows the universe with all its individual galaxies - and each galaxy is a representation of a mythology. You sort of wrap that around the Earth, and in any given moment, all of those mythological belief systems existed. They all deal with the creation myths around their region - it’s just separated by geography.”

and as said Earlier , going to these lands and other mythologies is extremely challenging , more so then going to other realms

• That’s the Unity Stone! If Tyr possessed this, that explains how he could visit all the other realms, and other lands, to boot."

and we know realms are hard to reach as they're different planes of existence with seprate flow of time, seprate space e.t.c.

• All nine realms occupy the same physical space, only on different planes of existence.”

so traversing this " planet " is more challenging then traversing to different planes of existence seprated by time and space so we can say this planet isn't completely 1:1 to normal. furthur on I will go more indepth on how the God of war cosmology works and why all these mythologies exist together.

Ymir

Ymir is perhaps the biggest being we ever saw in God of War , yes even bigger then Uranus , he was big enough for Odin to kill him and create all the realms other them Muspelheim and Nifleheim , as this tapestry shows , Ymir's flesh was used to create the land and matter while his head was used to create the sky/cosmos.

this alone shows us how truly big he was , as his head and flesh are already enough to create the matter and space over seven universes with the exception of the premordeal realms , Muspelheim and Nifleheim , but as the above Tapestry shows , there was a flood after Ymir's defeat , what was this flood? believe it or not , Ymir had enough blood to threaten the Yggdrasil itself , aka all of creation itself

how big is the Yggdrasil aka creation?

first there are the nine basic realms , the realms such as Muspelheim and Nifleheim , fire and Ice realm which are the premordeal realms of creation and then we have the realms that Odin created from Ymir's flesh which he used to create matter and his head which he used to create Sky/cosmos , these realms are Midgard , Asgard , Vanaheim , Helhiem , Svartalfheim , Alfheim and Jotunheim , all of these realms all exist as points on the branches of the Yggdrasil.

the realms have no given size but they are all directly stated to have their own unique outer space and they have a bunch of stars so by which we can conclude they are either conventional universes or we can go by Cory Barlog's statement of them being of infinite size , but for simplicity's sake , universal size makes greater sense.

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this game tells us there are endless creation/realms in the cosmology , these realms are based on the thoughts/visions/imagination of characters , now imagination and endless both imply a really high , but finite , number of realms/universes contained within the Yggdrasil , you can see this is akin to the sony exclusive game Dreams where dreams and thoughts create their own creation/reams.

and finally , the well of Urdr which is a part of the Yggdrasil has an endless number of timelines playing out inside them , another person who worked on God of War confirmed that to be completely possible even though he isn't a part of the writing team and bluntly admits to be wrong or clueless many times , but the fact here is an endless number of timelines playing out in well of Urdr based on all possible outcomes.

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and finally , its implied that the branches of the Yggdrasil extend to infinity by the God of War IV Novel and when the Lead director of God of war ( 2018 ) and the conwriter of the God of War IV Novel , Cory Barlog , was approached about this , he pretty much agrees to the information being correct.

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now we have that the Yggdrasil have nine universes , a very high finite amount of Realms/dimensions based on thoughts/imagination/dreams , a very high finite and possibly infinite amount of timelines playing out in the well of Urd and then the branches themselve extending to infinity.

so we can conclude that Ymir is multiverse sized and Odin defeated him in combat.

Surtr

after the release of God of War : Ragnarok , its about time for us to delve into perhaps the most important part of the Event Ragnarok. Surtr , the fire giant , and the second being in creation that brings the doom of Asgard , in the events of God of War : Ragnarok we see how Surtr quite literally becomes Ragnarok and destroys Asgard , but before going onto the detonation of Asgard.

first there are the nine basic realms , the realms such as Muspelheim and Nifleheim , fire and Ice realm which are the premordeal realms of creation and then we have the realms that Odin created from Ymir's flesh which he used to create matter and his head which he used to create Sky/cosmos , these realms are Midgard , Asgard , Vanaheim , Helhiem , Svartalfheim , Alfheim and Jotunheim , all of these realms all exist as points on the branches of the Yggdrasil.

the realms have no given size but they are all directly stated to have their own unique outer space and they have a bunch of stars so by which we can conclude they are either conventional universes or we can go by Cory Barlog's statement of them being of infinite size , but for simplicity's sake , universal size makes greater sense.

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this game tells us there are endless creation/realms in the cosmology , these realms are based on the thoughts/visions/imagination of characters , now imagination and endless both imply a really high , but finite , number of realms/universes contained within the Yggdrasil , you can see this akin to the sony exclusive game Dreams where dreams and thoughts create their own creation/reams.

and finally , the well of Urdr which is a part of the Yggdrasil has an endless number of timelines playing out inside them , another person who worked on God of War confirmed that to be completely possible even though he isn't a part of the writing team and bluntly admits to be wrong or clueless many times , but the implication here is an endless number of timelines playing out in well of Urdr based on all possible outcomes.

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and finally , its implied that the branches of the Yggdrasil extend to infinity by the God of War IV Novel and when the Lead director of God of war ( 2018 ) and the conwriter of the God of War IV Novel , Cory Barlog , was approached about this , he pretty much agrees to the information being correct.

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now we have that the Yggdrasil have nine universes, a very high finite amount of Realms/dimensions based on thoughts/imagination/dreams , a very high finite amount of timelines based on possible outcomes ( potentially infinite if you take the WOG ) and then the branches themselve extending to infinity , Its stated that Surtr accidently shook the Yggdrasil to its very roots when he was detonating Asgard via Ratatoskr , the squirell of the Yggdrasil , no assumption, but a direct context dump from the developers that it shook to the very roots aka the entire tree , and Surtr did this on complete accident.

and its also stated , if it were not for the decisions made via Kratos , Ratatoskr would've died of Immolation , with the clear implication being Surtr would've burnt down the Yggdrasil without Kratos's intervention.

btw , while we're at it , Mimir confirms the legend of Thor and Jormun Dueling and shaking the Yggdrasil so hard that it send the World serpant back in time before his own birth , he doesn't mention anything regarding the violent shaking and splintering of Yggdrasil was an exaggeration , meaning that Mimir's statement from God of War (2018) is completely correct and consistent with Surtur

so yes the Yggdrasil that contains nine universes as points on it, endless amount of creation/dimension based on imagination/thought , an endless/potentially infinite amount of timelines based on all possible outcomes and branches extending to infinity , and all of this was shook to the roots accidently by Surtr and without Kratos's interference Surtr would've burnt down the entireity of the Yggdrasil , which means , Thor does scale to his Cosmology due to violently Shaking Yggdrasil and Surtr does scale to his Cosmology due to violently shaking it as well as being capable of burning it all and thats all I wanted to say regarding Surtr

I'm gonna list the type of anti feats and then move onto showings why these anti feats are not even close to being legit

Kratos can die to fall damage

this anti feat has always weirded me out , likely because the entire basis is lack of knowledge , for example Kratos and Thor fell from cloud height to ground literally head first and still easily survived

https://youtu.be/D7Enav00Lp8

but these are Kratos and thor , what about other versions....well , we've literally some random fodder undead soldiers easily jumping and surviving massive falls on their leg

https://gfycat.com/deliriousfrankdunlin

but these are still warriors , how about literally random old woman with no magical powers beyond Clairvoyance? oh wait they can survive hundreds of meters fall and get crushed by debris and still only die because of Blood loss

https://youtu.be/j4gIhVSTYiI

so that shows us one thing , random humans in God of war can survive falling hundreds and hundreds of meters and easily survive.

Kratos doesn't break walls and gates

this argument has always been very fun to dismantle , by this logical Kratos is some street level sub wall fodder because he doesn't one shot stuff like that , but this argument is entirely based on ignoring feats , from fodders , for example four normal spartans can destroy a large statue of Ares which was completely solid via just pulling.

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zhLiK_A6eEiGektwUOLjeE4ML7pseQRFEsPXxH4bStQ/https/i.imgur.com/1bCdqUb.mp4

these random soldiers have been calculated to have 25 Megajoules of strength each , which is building level.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/God_of_War_Fodder_Calc

random cyclopses have feats that would likely be small building level with casual swings for crying out loud

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uDv9NDJ41Lv2FsM2bcGZOyaEL9xFuiPCUynqi0HxY6M/https/i.imgur.com/1lueqTm.mp4

when random monsters and random humans are already reaching building level , don't see how wall level Kratos is realistic.

Kratos can't break some ice

ah my favourite one , Kratos is so weak he can't crack ice , but lets just ignore the fact that..... four normal spartans can destroy a large statue of Ares which was completely solid via just pulling.

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zhLiK_A6eEiGektwUOLjeE4ML7pseQRFEsPXxH4bStQ/https/i.imgur.com/1bCdqUb.mp4

these random soldiers have been calculated to have 25 Megajoules of strength each , which is building level.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/God_of_War_Fodder_Calc

random cyclopses have feats that would likely be small building level with casual swings for crying out loud

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uDv9NDJ41Lv2FsM2bcGZOyaEL9xFuiPCUynqi0HxY6M/https/i.imgur.com/1lueqTm.mp4

constant building level damage would easily destroy that ice , so until Kratos is below random cyclops and random humans , again building level isn't possible.

Kratos struggles with Ogre

ah yes , lets ignore the fact that somehow after struggiing with ogre , in the same game , Kratos was effortlessly pushing multi million ton bridges.

https://youtu.be/Ng5R43ISLTg

lets also ignore the fact that Kratos is directly shown to hold back and when he doesn't , he also effortlessly one shots massive trolls , much bigger ones then any ogre.

Kratos struggles with humans

Kratos apparently is some sub human fodder when random monsters that scale way below kratos literally no sell an explosion that instantly vaporized superhuman armoured soldiers on spot

https://imgur.io/AfgM1Ye?r

there are more examples , say the undead soldiers easily one shotting chains which humans can't replicate

https://gfycat.com/newtiredamericancrocodile

but hey , here is Mr Human level Kratos easily stopping a whirlpoor and then stomping a city block sized snake , while Kratos is literally a human with no godly powers

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doubt someone who can do this can logically struggle with human beings.

all in all , all the street level anti feats are completely invalid as even the trash of the God of war verse has feats far above building level.these anti feats are so far below the level of even fodders in God of war that they make it impossible for us to actually develope a consistent narrative , talking of consistent narratives.

what is a consistent Narrative? a level where the characters can be put , via their own feats and scaling , without contradicting the most basic scaling of the verse , for example lets look at this

the narrative this implies is that a two meter hole is untouchable for the Z fighers , thats not even close to being a consistent narrative because that contradicts everything about the verse uptil this point , now lets look at another example , piccolo thinks he cannot even dream of a blast this deep just because he can't see an end.

literally just a few chapters earlier he produced a far more impressive blast Destruction wise.

there is another example , literally hundreds of chapters later a character fails to evade and actually gets buried by shit and trash

so what is the consistent narrative here? these narratives where characters can barely break gates and get hurt by shit and trash , or the narrative where the fodders can one shot moons? what do we ignore? the narrative of the lower spectrum of the one of the higher? this question would arise many times , what is the consistent narrative when both narrative have evidence , Spectre being some multiversal god or a fodder Batman can hurt?

and ofcourse there is Superman , Superman's equal kills himself by triggering a nuclear meltdown (JLA: Superpower)

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Superman is knocked out by a nuke for 30 minutes (Superman #9)

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Superman is knocked out by nukes during the daytime and gets up by nighttime (Action Comics #648)

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Superman is knocked out by a nuke again (Tangent: Superman's Reign #9-10)

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Superman is knocked out by a fall (Action Comics #662)

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Superman struggles to topple a building (Superman #163)

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Superman struggles to stop the Daily Planet Globe (Action Comics #700)

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Superman is unable to stop a two ton pummel block (Action Comics #712)

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Superman defeats a monster that had his powers by luring him into wires (Action Comics #777)

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Superman and Maxima are knocked out by a gasoline explosion (Death of Superman)

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Where is the consistent narrative here? is he some random fodder who gets knocked out by falls , gets knocked out by gasoline explosions , is barely building level or can he benchpress planets.

what would the consistent narrative here be? the low ends or the high ends? obviously the high , as superman has many actual feats aka showings of power directly contradicting him being a sub nuke fodder

this type of inconsistency exists not only in manga , games and Comics but in novels too , for example here is Obi Wan Kenobi deflecing thousands of omnidirectional Hypersion to LS laser blasts

Only ten thousand to go. Give or take. An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there... Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center's superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides. By the time he flipped down through the air to land cat-footed on the deck once more, nearly half the droids between him and Grievous had been destroyed by their own not-so-friendly fire. He cut his way into the mob of remaining troops as smoothly as if it were no more than a canebrake near some sunlit beach; his steady pace left behind a trail of smoking slices of droid."

Revenge of the Sith Novelization

literally few pages later 18 strikes per second overwhelming him

Grievous, snarling fury, ramped up the intensity and velocity of his attacks-sixteen per second, eighteen-until finally, at twenty strikes per second, he overloaded Obi-Wan's defence.

Revenge of The Sith Novelization

so as you see , another example of the classic feat vs anti feat inconsistency

the answer --------> the high ends , are a display of a character's powers while the same cannot be said for the low ends at all , and as shown the low ends aren't consistent within themselves , somewhere Superman is tanking nukes and at one he is getting hurt by gasoline explosions , thus they are , just like GOW ones , inherently inconsistent with low end feats as well as inconsistent within themselves.

as Cory Barlog explains, they exist because they want to make a dynamic experience.

Kratos will struggle to lift gates when you know he can lift , like , the world , this is because we need to add dynamics in the game which we won't be able to if we just subscribe to one reality all the time

now Cory is backed up by other developers , who also agree that these inconsisnstencies are inevitable while trying to make a fun product , otherwise it would end in five minutes and have zero tension , and even though the developer finds kratos to be EXTREMELY powerful beyond human comprehension , there are gonma be these silly anti feats

As a franchise, God of War has continuously shown a divide between what is portrayed in the gameplay and the backstory when it comes to Kratos's strength, who, at a specific point in the third game, needs the help of specialized equipment to cross a twenty-feet gap. Still, he then goes on to beat down Cronos, the King of the Titans. How do you think this sort of inconsistency should be approached?

This has always been an 'issue' of sorts in any game where you want to portray a particularly powerful character, so it is understandable that it would be especially present in God of War III, where you play a version of Kratos that has pretty much become an almighty power fantasy capable of demolishing absolutely anything in his path, including Gods and Titans. To be capable of creating an exciting and entertaining game, however, we can't always have the character remain that strong, hence the example you provided, otherwise the experience would last five minutes from beginning to end. Nothing in the game would hold Kratos back realistically speaking, so I find such shortcomings laughable to seriously ponder, especially in a world that contains immortal beings who routinely do things that would strain the grasp of the human mind.

The developers having Kratos extremely high is consistent , as one downright believes Zeus can shake universes by Shaking his head

developers consistently have Kratos extremely high and even give us reasons for why they aren't that strong in the actual games.

as shown here , anti feats exist everywhere and their abuse would make things undebatable , characters who may be able to deflect thousands of LS blasts may not be able to block 20 strikes per second , characters who can benchpress planets may occasionally struggle to topple buildings, characters who vape moons may occasionally struggle to break metal gates.

as shown here , God of war anti feats are something thats counteracted and buried by simple feats from the lowest of the lows in God of War verse , for example the idea that Kratos can die to falls....is a bit weird when a normal old lady survives falling likely hundreds of meters and then getting crushed by Debris , the idea that Keatos can't break ice when random cyclops can one shot stone which is harder then ice , the idea that Kratos is human level when he is pushing million ton bridges moments later is also kinda strange , the idea that Kratos cannot stom ogre when he easily stomps much larger trolls and literally stomped a far larger snake as a human without divine power.....is also kinda strange to say the least.

as you see all these anti feats , can be counteracted and debunked by low end feats of the verse , feats from characters near the absolute bottom in the Verse's power hierarchy , I'm not using high end feats to counteract low end feats but rather using low end feats to counteract anti feats.

practically these " anti feats " contradict any kind of feat to ever happen in the verse, like completely and utterly , the same thing for the comics, manga and novels and if we use these we can never ever develope an actually consistent narrative among characters , once we take these anti feats down however we get a logical progression to the power level of characters , Spartan general Kratos is not magically doing feats that no one else in the series can somehow achieve , once the anti feats are out we get a more consistent and logical narrative.

looking at the intent of the creators , the creators had Surtur nuking an entire universe aka Asgard , The Premordeals cutscene e.t.c. e.t.c. as well as there own statements regarding why these anti feats exist and how these characters can lift the world which likely means the greek cosmology in context and how Zeus can shake universes by shaking his head e.t.c. , the intent is clearly for them to very powerful , in game and out of game.

regardless , as already proven these anti feats kind of make the entire verse undebatable when they kinda imply random spartans are stronger then Kratos , on top of these anti feats being explained by the developers multiple times over and finally there being far too many cosmic or even planetary metas and feats in the verse for us to take the anti feats to the core.

the only way GOW can possibly be debated is via ignoring the obvious GIS ( game induced stupidity ) and debating via the feats , I'm not saying one should accept my own views on GOW but rather then spamming anti feats that conflict with not only cosmic metas but every single feat in the verse , if one disagrees with certain scaling the proper way to debate is via challenging the meta itself rather then relying on Author induced stupidity , otherwise one is just saying random humans somehow can beat dudes who move million ton bridges literally few hours later and random ogres can somehow beat dudes whose eons weaker version stomp far larger snakes.

so to get around the inconsistency , one must see the inconsistency as what it is , something that contradicts with every feat in the series , and thus only thats when we would be able to develope a consistent narrative for the verse .

Let's start with over 80 instances of Kratos being threatened by things ranging from fall damage to regular daggers to arrows to falling boulders and struggling to accomplish feats like moving stone blocks or being unable to get through steel. All of these instances are taken from Novels/Guides (if gameplay was used this thread would be longer than the IM>Spidey bible of '21).

Now this argument basically is implying to us that Kratos is so weak he can die to random falls and debris , but.....by actual feats we see that even people like the Oracle of Delphi can fall hundreds of meters on straight rock and be crushed by debris and yet survive as well as only dying due to wounds.

another implication is that Kratos is so weak he can barely move around stone columns......except we see random Cyclops which are not even Demi Gods destroying such as colums with a single strike.

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apparently Kratos can't push around Large urns when four random spartan Soldiers can tear down completely solid massive statues with their arms

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this feat has been calculated to be 25 Megajoules each which is around Large building level

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FanofRPGs/God_of_War_Fodder_Calc

all these feats completely disprove the idea that Kratos is some random fodder who would die to some random falling rocks , some random falls and can't move urns with physicals, why? these feats are done by random God of War Humans , not gods or monsters but random soldiers and a literal old lady with no powers beyond Clairvoyance, Human Spartan General Kratos has scaling to things above what the anti feats try to potray him as.

Am I using high ends to counter low ends? not really , because I'm using low ends to counter anti feats , the anti feats in God of war do not do amtuikg much more then construct inconsistency among even the lowest end of feats , until we genuinely are gonna argue average old ladies and soldiers in GoW even compare to Spartan General Kratos , all the anti feats are invalid.

we're already given a reason why these anti feats exist as well by actual good sources , Cory Barlog already gave us a good reason why the anti feats exist , they exist to create a dynamic and non repetitive experience , even if you want to limit it to the games , the novels are retelling of the games so the novels fall under it , guidebooks which are also supposed to be compliment the games also fall under it , as well as the comics which are based on the games but there is no real reason to limit Cory Barlog's statement to the games as he is talking about writing , he is talking about laws relevant to all fictional media , not only should it encompass the God of War franchise but perhaps even go beyond God of war and apply to all games in general , but overall this statement explains away all the anti feats.

and I've already posted evidence of how random GoW humans have feats above these anti feats anyway , and if we buy into them all of the verse's scaling breaks , an average soldier in GoW can tank 100s of meters of fall and product casually 25 megajoules of strength , way above the listed anti feats.

One of the most common arguments used to wank Kratos is to say "he overpowered Atlas who holds up the world." This is wrong for a multitude of reasons, the first being that Kratos couldn't even last against two of Atlas' fingers.

Then there's the second part of the sentence, which is that Atlas holds up the world, but this isn't fully true when looking at a diagram of the GoW world.

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The GoW world is held up by a multitude of pillars, not just one. Atlas plays the equivalent of a support beam of a building, meaning that although he's crucial to the world staying up, he's not barring even remotely the full weight. Atlas also doesn't hold up a full planet, since the GoW World isn't a whole planet, just one section of the entire world.

ignoring the fact Kratos is nowhere near his prime in this scene , " holding the world " isn't a massive feat in the verse at the first place , Hercules who Kratos mauled already replaced Atlas and held up the entire world + the sky aka the cosmos at one point.

secondly The " Diagram " which is in actuality a simple concept art completely and utterly contradicts the narrative of God of War : Chains of Olympus where the other " pillars " weren't mentioned and only one , the world pillar , was targetted and to be destroyed by Atlas and Persephone

on top of contradicting major plot points , it also contradicts the size and scale of the underworld , which is shown to be big enough to contain many stars and such and have the exact same template as the starry sky used in God of war 1 , which was used to display stars.

and God of war stars are confirmed to be 100% real

the same person , Bruno Valesquez has said Atlas holds up the entire world during the late developement of God of War ( 2018 )

So no there are no " supports " and he holds the entire world/universe.

The argument that through some convoluted chain Kratos would scale to the Primordials who in a second count retelling by Gaia created the Universe was debunked by the Animation Director.

The Primordials created the Greek World, which is just one geographic portion of the whole planet

Its not really a second account retelling, its an on screen event being narrated by Gaia while being visually shown to us by the game.

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The Idea that the premordeals only created Greece or anything such is debunked on screen when we see that the universe and all its matters and stars were send flying out of Uranus due to thalassa's punch to his face and is already confirmed

and the information that the universe was created here is reaffirmed by two words of gods as well as a direct mention of the galaxies being created by the premordeals

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we've furthur confirmation that the entire universe aka everything in the Greek cosmology was created and given life to by Uranus and nobody else , clearly stating the universe was what Uranus was the creator of , not just a strip of land.

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so the Idea that the Premordeals just made a few countries is beyond ridiculous and contradictory to two WoG , comics and on screen information.

In the upcoming GoW game Kratos will fight Thor, a guy who was stunned and pinned by a stone giant's corpse (2:30) and wouldn't have been able to get through several feet of ice that a large falling stone hammer did.

Then you have a younger version of the World Serpent and Thor stalemating, shaking the 9 realms and splintering the world tree as a result. The problem is that while the World Tree is large, something being large doesn't mean it's durable, and that the Tree is directly linked to the realms, meaning anything that affects it would affect the realms.

The realms themselves are just reflections of Scandinavia sized portions of land, as has been confirmed on multiple occasions.

Now, Baldur (Kratos' peer) knocked out the Serpent when it got older and its size said to span the entire world, but as covered above, the problem is just like the Greek World, the Norse World is geographically separated from the rest of the planet, meaning the Serpent only spans the Norse World, and not the actual Earth.

On top of that, Baldur suckered the Serpent, meaning it wasn't actually a legit knockout, which is common sense when Thor (who is explicitly stronger than Baldur) couldn't beat a younger version of it

somehow the OP completely forgot to mention that Thor was exceptionally drunk and just one shotted Hrungir but the said Giant was made of stone and the stones were sent flying and got stuck in Thor's brain and they are till this day and even then extremely fodder Aesir such as Magni and Modi were able to easily remove and flip off hrungir's corpse and they were toddlers when they did that.

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on top of Thor not being able to break through " ice " , in the same scene its stated that he killed a giant who destroyed the villaige he fell on via accident which is too much for some random sub ice level fodder

The Yggdrasil has nine of the universes sitting on its branches , its a multiversal construct that supports Multi universal weight all the time, it has to have immense mass and as already proven it also extends to infinity which was approved by Cory Barlog so the argument regarding Durability doesn't cut it.

Regarding the realms being " scandivania sized " , tbh I don't remember Scandivania being big enough to contain stars and such.

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its pretty clear Cory Barlog's statement only limited to talking about the midgard we explore in the game and not to the entireity of the realm , to put it simply The God of War cosmology doesn't function like ours, the realms are a part of the " lands " , the same thing as the Greek lands or the norse ones.

• “Odin is extremely clever, you see. Nearly as clever as he thinks he is. And he’s a collector of prophecies. If it’s about the future, he adds it to his collection. Helps him style himself as all-seeing and all-knowing. But of course, the idea is control. Control of the future, control of his fate. He’d control every realm of every land in every world if he could.”

so by the logic used here the realms should be cities and such , but they aren't because first of all they are big enough to contain many stars that would be send out to each realm and create universe like starry skies , Muspelheim contained all the stars and the suns at one point

• “The whole realm is a great fire. The source of fire itself, and all the sun and stars, if legend is to be believed.”

all these realms have different space as stated directly via Matt Sophos and have different flow of time

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there also being direct statements stating they exist on different dimensions of understanding and are like different dimensions

• There was way more ambition. At one point there were like six water levels you were draining. You’d drain all the water out and have that whole open area. We had so much crazy stuff going on in there. I didn’t realize, “Okay, this is way too much. It’s overwhelming. You can’t process it.” We discovered how hard it was for people to understand the realms, the idea that the realms all exist on top of each other, almost in different dimensions. The idea that you’re in one realm or the other and they share the same space, just in a different dimension of understanding—that was really complicated until we figured out a few elegant, easy ways to explain it

its also confirmed the realms exist as different planes of existence

• All nine realms occupy the same physical space, only on different planes of existence.”

and the physical space statement is way too overhyped , its all just a way to see they all are interwined and co exist on the branches of the Yggdrasil.

• "All the realms exist in the same physical space - reflections of each other. These doors, the towers outside, and the nine realms are all intertwined, and co-existing on the branches of the World Tree."

so now we have

• Nine seprate realms.
• all having their own unique space.
• all having their unique time.
• all having starry skies like an universe.
• one being big enough to contain stars of nine universes.
• all existing as different planes of existence.

and all these realms would be categorized under the vague word of " lands " but as we can see , these " lands " are in actuality full blown multiverses with different planes of existence with seprate space and time , same way Posiedon was god of all seas in his cosmology and lands , so technically he was lord of all seas and not just the Mediterranean, but he was lord of all seas in his own cosmology/Reality , basically the lands are seprated but each land has its own massive self contained reality with entire dimensions/realms existing in these " lands " , basically if you live in Greece you're gonna have your own Earth, your own afterlife dimension , your own stars e.t.c. but once greece died and Kratos moved to Norse , Norse had its own multiverse and Cosmology

• "Why would we (retcon the previous games)? This is the continuation of the saga. Retcons are lazy ways out to continue a story."
• "Poseidon was the God of All Seas, but now he is dead."

seemingly due to the death of Greece due to the death of Olympians, Kratos was able to move easily between the lands , otherwise you need hax to do it.

• “That’s the Unity Stone! If Tyr possessed this, that explains how he could visit all the other realms, and other lands, to boot."

as this text clearly clarifies , going to other lands is even harder then going to other realms aka seprate planes of existence with seprate space and time , just explaining how severe the sepration is.

to explain God of War cosmos the best we can use is this

Small and basic from the outside and exterior knowledge , but from internal understanding , its massive and complex , and each Land and Pantheon has their own version of the world , seprated realities existing in their " lands " and thats why the Greek version had their own Asia, Africa e.t.c. as well as their own time space continuums , afterlifes e.t.c.

now the question arises , how does one travel between lands , the answer is simple , with the death of Greece only was Kratos able to actually reach the Norse and Midgard , to travel to different dimensions and such there are tears in fabric of reality which allows one to travel , Underworld is explicitly a different dimension ( more contradiction to the concept art ) and the tears in the fabric of space is what connects the realms and allows travel between them.

There is furthur confirmation that these fabric holes do exist in the cosmology and these are caused by random mundane monsters and such , no reason they can't be caused by actual travelers and explores

• “As you explore the Norse Realms, watch for small tears (represented by blue bobs) in the fabric of reality and close them. Most of the time enemies spawn from the tear.
• “Inside the center chamber, seal the three Realm Tears that threaten Nilfheim.”

Conclusion on God of War Cosmolgy --------> the cosmology clearly isn't even close to being simple , but practically , all the lands have their own version of the cosmology , their own dimensions , their own afterlife , there own stars e.t.c. and these lands are seprated in such a way that even things such as Bitfrost which can travel to different planes of existence seprated by space and time cannot reach other lands and pantheons , basically the lands are contained multiverses completely seprated from different lands and their contained multiverses and could be reached via Portals and high level technology such as unity stone only , so practically the " lands " are self contained multiverses with their own reality only traversable via high end tech like unity stone.