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Revisiting The Classics : Attack Of The Clones

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In today's Blog , I would be taking a look at the Duel between Anakin Skywalker , Obi Wan Kenobi and Count Dooku on Genosis and then the Following bout of the masters between Master Yoda and Count Dooku .

Establishing the Threat : Count Dooku

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The Count is established very early as a great threat to the Jedi Order and All of The Galaxy as a whole , A lot Attributing to his Politics but thats not what we shall discuss here today , Count's power is as Established as that of Yoda and Mace level EVEN BEFORE he went to The Darkside

Jedi Dooku have a consistant supremacy over Mace upto that point and a solid Superiority at that because Mace was apparently never able to best Dooku in a friendly Duel

Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective.

Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents have ever overcome Master Windu in battle. One was Master Yoda himself, whom some say is the Jedi Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was Master Dooku.

Source: Star Wars Miniatures: Revenge of the Sith Preview 1 Mace Windu, Jedi Master

In his day, Mace was one of the best lightsaber fighters of the Jedi order. It was said only two opponents ever bested him; Yoda, and Dooku.

Source: Mace Windu Databank (old)

You were never able to defeat me at the Jedi Temple, and you won’t defeat me now.”

Source: The Clone Wars — Lightsaber Duels

His skills with his purple-bladed lightsaber were the stuff of legend, and it was said that he could be defeated in combat only by Master Yoda and the great swordsman Count Dooku.

Source: The Official Figurine Collection #33

It is said that only his one-time friend Dooku and the venerable Grand Master Yoda could outspar Mace Windu.

Source: The Clone Wars: Lightsaber Duels Prima Official Game Guide

Jedi Dooku , is even implied to be superior in pure dueling then The legendary Master Yoda ( Pre TPM but Yoda had always been the GOAT Jedi )

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Count Dooku was probably the greatest swordsman at the Jedi Temple.

Source: The Official Figurine Collection #12

He was a remarkable teacher and, of all those in the Temple, arguably the most skilled with a lightsaber.

Source: The Official Figurine Collection #12

His progress was exceptional, and many thought he was the deadliest of all the Jedi in combat.

Source: The Official Figurine Collection #12

Obi-Wan remembered Jocasta Nu telling him, With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. Now he could see what she meant. Unfortunately.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

Dooku , is even stated to be an Equal of Pre The Phantom Menace Palpatine .

Sidious's boldness surprised him at first, but it hadn't taken long for Dooku to become fascinated by the Sith. Instead of a lightsaber duel to the death, there had been much discussion, and a gradual understanding that their separate visions for how the galaxy might be rescued from depravity were not so different after all.

But partnership with a Sith didn't make one a Sith. As the Jedi arts had to be taught, so, too, did the power of the dark side. And so began his long apprenticeship. The Jedi warned that anger was the quickest path to the dark side, but anger was nothing more than raw emotion. To know the dark side one had to be willing to rise above all morality, to throw love and compassion aside, and to do whatever was necessary to bring about the vision of a world brought under control - - even if that meant taking lives.

Dooku was an eager student, and yet Sidious had continued to hold him at arm's length. Perhaps he had been working with other potential replacements for his earlier apprentice, the savage Darth Maul, who, in fact, had been nothing more than a minion, like Asajj Ventress and General Grievous. Sidious had recognized in Dooku the makings of a true accomplice - - an equal from the other camp, already trained in the Jedi arts, a master duelist, a political visionary. But he needed to gauge the depth of Dooku's commitment. One of your former confidants at the Jedi Temple has perceived the coming change, Sidious had told him. This one has contacted a group of cloners, regarding the creation of an army for the Republic. The order for the army can stand, for we will be able to make use of that army someday. But Master Sifo-Dyas cannot stand, for the Jedi cannot learn about the army until we are prepared to have them learn of it.

- The Labyrinth of Evil

So we have a Character , who is established to scale to both the Most powerful Jedi of all Time ( TPM Yoda ) and The Most Powerful Sith of All Time in Palpatine , and then we add the fact that there is a Massive amount of Growth for Dooku between The Phantom Menace and Attack of The Clones , tho its probably only about force prowess

"Powerful you have become, Dooku. The dark side I sense in you."

Source: Attack of the Clones

He felt Dooku gathering power, and he bowed his head in shock and sorrow as he sensed the true source of the Count's increased ability.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

"I have spent the last ten years learning to use the power of the Dark Side. It gives me infinitely greater power."

Source: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-Attack-of-the-Clones.html

Count Dooku is a disillusioned former Jedi Knight who lost faith in the Republic and abandoned the Jedi Order. Dooku spent ten years in seclusion honing his Force abilities - and - as a master of the old style of fencing - wields his scimitar-handled lightsaber with consummate grace.

Source: Count Dooku - Dark Lord (Star Wars SAGA Series, 2002)

This is Dooku, Darth Tyranus, Count of Serenno:

Once a great Jedi master, now an even greater Lord of the Sith, Dooku is a dark colossus bestriding the galaxy. Nemesis of the corrupt Republic, oriflamme of the principled Confederacy of Independent Systems, he is the very personification of shock and awe

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Not only had the Dark Lord introduced Dooku to realms of power beyond his most spectacular fantasies, but Sidious was also a political manipulator so subtle that his abilities might be considered to dwarf even the power of the dark side itself.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

a Bit about Dooku's force abilities would be that he was so competent in it that he was hard to comprehend for even Yoda

Dooku's strength in the Force made him enigmatic for even Yoda.

Source: Attack of the Clones: The Ultimate Illustrated Guide

So The count is Established as a very formidable and Powerful Opponent for our heroes

Establishing The Heroes : Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi

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Anakin have already surpassed Obi Wan in power

He's more skilled than Obi-Wan. Anakin always attacks. He's better and he knows it, which means he's brash on occasion."

- Nick Gillard

Anakin , Temporarily gives into his emotions and have flash of brilliances , these gave him far more power temporarily

Fans will be anxious to see Anakin Skywalker, the man who will be Darth Vader, in action. “Of course, he's the chosen one," whispered Gillard. "The audience will want to see that manifest itself. There needs to be flashes of brilliance.”

Starwars.com - Teacher of the Masters (link)

when in his Flash of Brilliances , Anakin is in a mode where he Moves FTE to Obi Wan and is so powerful that the power he displays in the force had only been shown to Obi Wan by post Meditation Qui Gon

Never had Obi-Wan seen such a display of the Force from a Padawan. From the great Jedi Masters, yes. From Qui-Gon, near the end of his life.

But from someone so young? Anakin's power astonished him. He had glimpsed it before, but now he had seen it unfurl, and it staggered him.

He had not had a chance to move, to help. Anakin had been a blur. He had seemed to be everywhere at once. He had destroyed ten attack droids, disarmed his aggressors, and disabled two laser cannons without hesitation, with even a slight smile on his face.

- Jedi Quest: The School of Fear

Darth Maul , a confirmed Tier 8 , can not Completely Blitz or Outdo many years younger and weaker Obi Wan

Obi-Wan is an exceptional lightsaber duelist and a formidable opponent for Darth Maul.

Credit: The Complete Visual Dictionary

Hurry! Obi-Wan hissed soundlessly, willing the lasers to pause and the gates to come down.

Stroke for stroke, Qui-Gon and Darth Maul battled about the rim of the melting pit, locked in a combat that seemed endless and forever and could be won by neither.

~ The Phantom Menace: Senior Novelization (1999)

So the scale here is A Flash of Brilliance Anakin during Attack of The Clones is more powerful then The 16 Year old Flash of Brilliance Anakin who is already superior or equal to Darth Maul during The Phantom Menace

Darth Maul is a tier 8 Duelist , tho count is a better duelist Then anything seen upto that point

We're trying to go much more classical for some characters," says Gillard, "Some of the characters are real master swordsmen, better than anything we've seen so far. So we're using an old, classical European style for a couple of the characters.

Source: Homing Beacon #57

"Dooku & Maul are 8, but there is a huge difference inside the numbers themselves. It's not about how well they fight, it's about how well they learned."

Source: https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/17/73/92/12/ng10.png

So Flash of Brilliance Anakin should atleast be Tier 8 , its also backed by Gillard Saying Anakin would " cream " Maul in a fight

When asked who would win in a fight -- Ray Park’s Darth Maul or Hayden Christensen’s Anakin Skywalker -- Gillard had no hesitation. "Hayden would cream Darth Maul."

Source: Sword Master & Apprentice

why does one go FOB? simple , rage and hate

"Struggling to maintain the consciousness against waves of pain from his earlier clash with Dooku, Anakin could only watch as Obi-Wan attempted to hold his own against Dooku. Anakin was furious, with himself and the dark Jedi. That core of rage increased as Anakin saw Obi-Wan so casually beaten. Anakin's anger and his fear for his Master allowed him to push aside his own pain.

(.....)

Ignoring the pain he felt from their previous clash, Anakin blocked Dooku's swing as he was about to land the final blow on Obi-Wan. Fuelled by his hate for Dooku and his anger with himself, Anakin held Dooku’s gaze."

- The Official Star Wars Fact File 100.

For Obi wan there isn't much , All we know is he grew for many years after TPM , where he was already capable of being a challenge for Likes of Darth Maul

Obi-Wan is an exceptional lightsaber duelist and a formidable opponent for Darth Maul.

Credit: The Complete Visual Dictionary

So Anakin is a tier 8 in Flash Of Brillaince and a High 7 normally , Obi Wan is a High 7 Normally

Establishing Yoda as the GOAT

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Yoda , is the GOAT as soon as TPM in legends

He was grateful that Yoda had joined them. The presence of the great, perhaps the greatest, Jedi Master was as deep and huge as Anakin's rage.

—Jedi Quest: The Shadow Trap

Dooku knew that a Master would be judged by the prowess of his Padawan, and he wanted the best of the best. When Yoda had given his approval of the match, Dooku had been satisfied. Another step had been taken toward his goal - to surpass Yoda as the greatest Jedi ever.

—Legacy of the Jedi

"At almost 900 years old, this legendary Jedi Master, while short in stature, is one of the most powerful Jedi Knights ever. He served as a general in the Clone Wars before the rise of the Emperor forced him into hiding on planet Dagobah."

—Star Wars: Force Collection

"Yoda is one of the most powerful Jedi ever."

—Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia

One of the most famous and powerful Jedi Masters in galactic history, Yoda serves as a member of the Jedi Order for centuries, inevitably ascending to the High Council.

—Star Wars Trading Card Game

Yoda's ability to use the Force is greater than that of any other Jedi.

—Star Wars: The Legendary Yoda

Yoda was the oldest and most powerful Jedi in the order.

—Star Wars: The Sith Wars

Meet Yoda. He is the most powerful Jedi.

—Star Wars: Blast Off!

The greatest Jedi: Yoda, defender of the galaxy, master of the Force, and the greatest Jedi who had ever lived.

—Star Wars: The Legendary Yoda

Do. Or do not. There is no try.” “Judge me by my size, do you?” “Great warrior… Wars not make one great.” While he is the most powerful Jedi, it’s Yoda’s wisdom that continues to resonate with fans today. In The Empire Strikes Back, he does much more than instruct Luke Skywalker in combat or prepare him physically to fight Darth Vader; he readies his mind and tries to curb the boy’s impatience and anger, which is something that’s much harder to do. And through that, Luke — and the audience — learns that there’s much more to being a Jedi than adventuring. Of course, he also is a great warrior, as seen in the prequels, taking on Count Dooku, clone troopers, and Darth Sidious. Taken together, Yoda is the ultimate Jedi Master.

—StarWars.com

The Duel in The Hangar

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This Duel is......pretty sad to watch

First , Base Anakin runs at count , Count casually one shot Base Anakin and blow him away by combining Telekenesis and Lightning

But this was no simple warrior enemy. Dooku's hand shot out toward the charging Jedi, sending forth a Force push as solid as any stone wall, and a burst of blue Force lightning, unknown to Jedi, charged all about the trapped and lifted Jedi Padawan. Anakin managed to hold onto his lightsaber as he went up into the air, held there by the power of the Count. With a wave of his hand, Dooku sent Anakin flying across the room, to crash into a distant wall, where he slumped down, dazed.

Source: Attack of the Clones

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so there goes Base Anakin who was completely one shotted and fodderized , now we move onto Obi Wan , who had 10 years of development since the Time he was already a formidable challenge for A Tier like Darth Maul , Oh wait , Obi Wan made an ATTEMPT to Hold his own but was casually beaten , also Anakin was still struggling to maintain consciouness because of that casual wave of Force Lightning .

Struggling to maintain the consciousness against waves of pain from his earlier clash with Dooku, Anakin could only watch as Obi-Wan attempted to hold his own against Dooku. Anakin was furious, with himself and the dark Jedi. That core of rage increased as Anakin saw Obi-Wan so casually beaten. ."

- The Official Star Wars Fact File 100.

the Film always depicted them as not being clown at all , as Count Easily overpowered Obi Wan's saber Lock

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you can even take a look at his rraction while he is doing it and tell me if he is remotely struggling

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in the comic book adaptation he pretty much makes a joke out of Obi Wan while beiny Dissapointed at Obi wan

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he is noted by Statements to have Easily defeated the Duo

Anakin and Obi-Wan pursue Dooku to a secret hangar, where he defeats them easily, cutting off Anakin's hand.

Source: The Making of Revenge of the Sith

Obi Wan felt completely Overpowered by the Count

"Count Dooku's fall has troubled us all," Obi-Wan acknowledged. "Now we have a great and powerful enemy." His thoughts turned to his battle with Dooku. He had never met such power in battle before. He had never come up against something that had completely overpowered him. Even meeting the Sith Lord who had killed Qui-Gon had not been the same.

Source: Legacy of the Jedi

Anakin's impulsive attack gives Count Dooku the chance to overpower him and Obi-Wan easily.

Source: Mysteries of the Jedi

He was spotted by Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker, who followed Dooku, attacking him in the hanger. They were easily defeated by the Sith Lord but before he could finish them off, Dooku was surprised by the arrival of Yoda.

Source: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection #34

Anakin and Obi-Wan dueled the former Jedi in a hangar,

Jedi in a hangar, but were no match; Dooku defeated both and severed Anakin’s arm.

Source: http://www.starwars.com/databank/anakin-skywalker

From the Presented Evidence , Dooku is completely one shot gap above AOTC Base Anakin and Obi Wan , he Already one shotted the Stronger of The Two with not even a full power Lightning blast .

Anakin's Flash of Brilliance Against Dooku

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As earlier Established , Flash Of Brilliance Anakin is

  • Stronger and Faster then The Phantom Menace Maul
  • is a Tier 8
  • This Time , He have Two Lightsabers

after seeing Obi Wan near dead , Anakin's enters this stage

Ignoring the pain he felt from their previous clash, Anakin blocked Dooku's swing as he was about to land the final blow on Obi-Wan. Fuelled by his hate for Dooku and his anger with himself, Anakin held Dooku’s gaze."

- The Official Star Wars Fact File 100

does it help......well........No , it doesn't really

First , The Count Toys with Anakin , doesn't even fight him seriously , even then count was so easily Superior to Anakin that Obi Wan was practically Wanting Anakin to simply Just Run away .

Anakin caught the weapon in his free hand and attacked again. But even with two lightsabers, he could not hold back Count Dooku for long. The Count smiled and began to toy with him, knocking the extra lightsaber out of Anakin’s hand.

Retreat, Obi-Wan thought. Stall him. But Anakin was not retreating; he was being driven back. The combat had almost come full circle, back to where Obi-Wan lay. The Count smiled slightly — Obi-Wan was not sure at whom — and his blade flicked out almost too fast to see. Anakin screamed as his right arm dropped to the floor, cut off at the elbow.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

a Toying Holding Back Dooku was far superior to Anakin and Anakin Had No chance of against him

Dooku, far superior in the art of the duel, severed the young man's arm, which would later be replaced with a crude metal one.

Source: The New Essential Guide to Characters

But Dooku is right, Obi-Wan thought through the haze of pain and exhaustion. Anakin is no match for him… Unless Anakin does something unexpected.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

Attack of The Clones Dooku is atleast a stomp Gap above an already Tier 8 Oppnent like Flash of Brilliance Anakin

The Battle of The Masters

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now lets move to the best Fight in Attack of The Clones , The Ultimate Battle of The Masters

First , No Yoda wasn't Holding Back against Dooku , he was willing to destroy Dooku and was using his full powes

Yoda is an immensely powerful Jedi who can control blue crackling Force lightning. It is a cruel weapon of the Sith so he never normally sees it. But he knows that sometimes you must destroy your enemy with their own weapons.

Star Wars: Mysteries of the Jedi

This scene changed all that, and we finally got to see Yoda fighting and using his full Jedi powers.

Star Wars Insider Magazine #122

secondly , it was actually Dooku , who was already injured and exhuasted , understandable due to his age

moving depicts him as tired

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and then these quotes .

The count gestured with his free hand, and Anakin was blasted back by Force energy. He fell to the ground beside Obi-Wan. Dooku, though tired, seemed to have won.

- Star Wars Fact Files #57

the battle with Obi-Wan and Anakin had taken a lot out of Count Dooku, though he was a former Jedi Master and a renowned lightsaber duellist. He deactivated his crimson blade and caught his breath as he contemplated his fallen foes.

- Star Wars Fact Files #103

The battle with Obi-Wan and Anakin had Take a lot out of Count Dooku, taken a lot out of Count Dooku, though he was a former Jedi Master and a renowned lightsaber duellist. He deactivated his crimson blade and caught his breath as he contemplated his fallen foes. Then, as a ripple in the Force washed across him, the count stood straighter as a look of confusion and disbelief flickered across his face. Dooku now sensed the approach of the old Jedi Master Yoda.

- Star Wars Fact Files #57

Dooku was already tired from his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker when Yoda arrived.

- Star wars Fact Files #71

Even then, the fight between the Jedi Padawan and Sith Lord was 75% longer than is shown in the film; the extended sequence was shot and Hayden Christensen had worked 8 weeks on that scene. In the original version, Anakin fared much better against Dooku, fighting with the green blade for a short period before Obi-Wan tossed him the blue lightsaber, and even injured Dooku’s arm just like Luke injured Vader’s arm in The Empire Strikes Back.

- Nick Gillard ( Tho Dooku was toying with Anakin like Vader was with Luke )

Lets see how they start the fight

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Dooku launches Force Lightning , which Yoda puts great effort in deflecting and he is the only Jedi in the film who would actually not get one shotted by Dooku's force Lightning

Dooku gave a little growl and thrust forth his hand, loosing a line of blue lightning at the diminutive Master. Yoda caught it in his own hand and turned it aside, but far from easily.

Source: Attack of the Clones

Dark side powers enabled Sith Lord Darth Tyranus (Count Dooku) to manipulate the Force at will, hurling objects or casting devastating energy bolts. Only a Jedi Master as powerful as Yoda could survive such an attack.

Source: The Official Figurine Collection #3

and then we see Dooku casually surviving his own lightning being thrown back at him

then they have a bunch of force showdowns , Doesn't matter as these two are established equals in Force .

"You can't just go right into the sword fight, so I decided to go back to The Empire Strikes Back of throwing things at each other, even though I knew they were equal to each other, so it was a hopeless gesture and they would've figured that out in two seconds. But for the audience it's nice for them to go through this process of throwing everything around."

Source: Attack of the Clones Commentary

"It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber."

Source: Attack of the Clones

The old Master was so accomplished in every aspect of the Force that until the Battle of Geonosis he had rarely needed to resort to his weapon. When he did, he proved as masterful with it as without.

Source: http://imgur.com/84WNvvI (Star Wars Fact File)

The two Force warriors attempted to defeat each other with displays of telekinesis and other Force abilities, but they were too evenly matched.

Source: Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force

The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Count Dooku and Master Yoda engaging in a titanic struggle of Force powers on Geonosis.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

and then we come to dueling

Remember , Dooku is hindered

"Fought well you have, my old Padawan."

Source: Attack of the Clones

With Form II, Dooku holds his own even against Master Yoda.

Source: Insider #62: Fightsaber

With Form II, Dooku holds his own even against Master Yoda in Attack of the Clones.

Source: Star Wars Adventures Magazine #3

as well as hold his own against Jedi Master Yoda, during the Battle of Geonosis.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #68

Here, his decades of lightsabre training gave him the ability to parry and riposte against Yoda's frenzied Form IV fighting style. Although the match ended in a stalemate, many Jedi believed Dooku would return for another confrontation with the Jedi.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #68

Forced to cross sabers with Dooku, Yoda falls back on his knowledge of Form IV, an acrobatic style that lets him overcome the natural limitations of his size and reach. He lacks the stamina of youth, but calls on the Force to fight the Sith Lord to a draw.

Source: Attack of the Clones: The Expanded Visual Dictionary

Yoda and Dooku were almost equals, with the little Jedi Master having perhaps a slight edge over his former padawan.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #34 (Relaunched)

Dooku carried a lightsaber with a curved handle and practiced an elegant fighting style; he could outclass nearly any opponent except for Yoda.

Source: Insider #113

Dooku's] skill with a lightsaber is matched only by Master Yoda.

Source: Force Collection

Dooku tho does end up matching and then physically pushing Yoda back

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Another thing worth mentioning is that Yoda was Gravely exhausted by Dooku in their fight

"Count Dooku’s Sail Ship takes off. Obi-Wan and Anakin struggle to the exhausted Yoda, but it’s too late. The Sail Ship rises into the air and flies away."

- Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Script.

"Yoda halted the falling tower, pushing it aside. Dooku made good his escape, his vessel departing the hangar even as Padme Amidala arrived with reinforcements. The battle with Dooku had left Yoda tired but unbowed."

- Star Wars Fact File #86.

Movie also supports Yoda's exhaustion as Yoda , the strongest Jedi of All Time , was failing to hold a Goddamn Pillar after fighting Dooku

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AOTC Dooku at Full power should be superior to AOTC Yoda , And at the state he fought him in he was equal to him in force and Slight inferior in force , He is One shot gap above Tier 7s like Obi wan and Base Anakin and Casual stomp Gap above Tier 8s Like Flash of Brilliance Anakin .

Conclusion

  • Tyranus have scaling to and Above both the most powerful Jedi and Sith upto Attack of The Clones and The Phantom Menace
  • Dooku is one shot above High tier 7s and Stomp above Tier 8s like Flash of Brilliance Anakin
  • Dooku at Full power is > Attack of The Clones Yoda and is Almost equal after being Hindered in Dueling and is Equal in Force .
  • Flash of Brilliance Anakin is a Solid Tier 8 .
  • Yoda is the GOAT Jedi even at Attack of The Clones .
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