I don't care what the hell they were... Goku and beerus outpaced them and they reached the end of the universe in seconds. Not to mention they only formed every time the gods clashed.
@sirfizzwhizz: Tokitoboshi literally translates to "Time-Skipping" in japanese. The show calls it "Time leaping". Jaco explains it to goku as freezing time for .1 seconds while everybody is frozen, but Hit is able to move.
Explain how freezing time means DB characters aren't fast. Then explain how skipping time means their faster than we thought.
Time Skipping means nothing other than clever writing.
Time Skipping:
Hit skips time where he himself is unable to see or react to a pre position block or attack. Makes sense.
Time Freezing:
No way in hell could Hit ever be blocked or tagged. Goku would not be able to fake out someone who can move around his block or out of his reach by freezing time. Hit has all the time to react.
As for the speed of Hit in a time freezing scenario, we have a time frame for Hit. Point 1 seconds. in this .1 second, Hit can only cover roughly 30-50 feet, land a attack, and move back. Looking at examples of Frost, Goku, Vegeta. We know this as all we see is Hit landing a single blow, not thousand or millions, but a single blow at a time, and moving back into his position before anyone notices. So now we have the main things for a speed calc. Time (.1 Second) and Distance (roughly 60-70 feet). This no no where near speed of light.
So the Time Freezing excuse does not add up and makes Hit look like a turtle. Time Skipping makes more sense.
Gogeta lolstomps, time hax won't do shit when you can't damage your opponent
He hurt Super Saiyan Blue who rolfstomps Gogeta
Thats arguable we'll technically never really know though. If Xenoverse was any indication though, I believe Beerus didn't see him as weak. I've never been into power scaling but SSJ4 Gogeta should be powerful as heck. Plus I'm fairly certain he can use the kaioken like Goku is going to do to even the odds or whatever.
Xenonverse really isn't canon to Super or GT so I wouldn't really use that.
Goku and Beerus where outpacing their shockwaves that reached the end of the universe in seconds.
Prove they were moving lightspeed. Thats is pure assumption on what seems hypersonic sonic speeds to me in that gif. Give me a accurate time frame. You cannot, though the Hit fight did lol.
Those shockwaves reached the end of the univers and beyond in seconds... They are trillions of C
@sirfizzwhizz: Well Hit doesn't slow time down from my understanding, he completely freezes time around him in that 0.1 seconds. Goku was actually anticipating Hit's moves in advance and blocking them before hit threw the attacks. Vegeta wasn't trying to anticipate Hit because he never knew about his technique. Also we haven't seen Hit fight seriously yet so there is that. I don't know about DBS characters being faster than light (I've only watched the tournament arc) but I don't think its fair to say they aren't that fast based on this fight.
The time frame is all that is needed. .1 second freezing time or not, pales to the world being still to beings moving at 12 times that. It really puts in perspective DBZ speeds which are now questionable to all those spouting Goku is 12,000,000 times faster than light in some debates.
I think there is more to it than a simple time freeze, if it was a time freeze, Goku wouldn't be able to block the attack no matter what he does, the next episode should shed some light
Note: Goku's combat speed being 12,000,000 times faster than light is absurd...
Jaco straight up says he stops time and see scan above.
@sirfizzwhizz: Well Hit doesn't slow time down from my understanding, he completely freezes time around him in that 0.1 seconds. Goku was actually anticipating Hit's moves in advance and blocking them before hit threw the attacks. Vegeta wasn't trying to anticipate Hit because he never knew about his technique. Also we haven't seen Hit fight seriously yet so there is that. I don't know about DBS characters being faster than light (I've only watched the tournament arc) but I don't think its fair to say they aren't that fast based on this fight.
The time frame is all that is needed. .1 second freezing time or not, pales to the world being still to beings moving at 12 times that. It really puts in perspective DBZ speeds which are now questionable to all those spouting Goku is 12,000,000 times faster than light in some debates.
I think there is more to it than a simple time freeze, if it was a time freeze, Goku wouldn't be able to block the attack no matter what he does, the next episode should shed some light
Note: Goku's combat speed being 12,000,000 times faster tha
Jaco straight up says Hit froze time and see goku outpacing those shockwaves.
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