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#1  Edited By TheGhostKnight

Wonder woman wins because she is a WOMAN. Come on guys this the 21st century and women are totes the equal of men!

We even had one in the marines, that dropped out because the training got too har- I mean sexism. It's all sexism and misogyny and with Bendis arriving on the Superman titles we might actually see Diana beat Superman for the first time ever!

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>white knighting intensifies<

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Whoa I had no idea people on this site were so racist. Cyborg tanked the same explosion that floored Superman yet he is ranked lowest? Yeah right

I think we all know the real reason people are ranking him this low, and it has nothing to do with feats

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But don't take my word for it

Sigh.. I hate to go all DBZ with the calcs but here ya go

http://typnet.net/Essays/EarthBind.htm

https://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-would-it-take-to-shift-the-Earth-from-its-orbit-around-the-Sun-and-propel-it-out-of-the-solar-system-and-are-there-any-processes-natural-or-otherwise-that-could-achieve-this

^ it would scientifically take greater energy to move a celestial body in orbit (calcs for Earth in the links) than to bust one

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@thekinfing: absolutely

Like I pointed out in the previous post, actually using science will also tell you the same thing

But in general writers are no scientists. They don't know it takes more energy to move a planet than bust one. But they do understand the layman idea of strength as I'm sure we all do. When someone effortlessly (or almost) bench presses the planet the idea being expressed is inherently a greater show of strength than a dude knocking himself out destroying a moon

Someone who operates on such a scale of strength where he's moving bodies larger than planets is inherently going to "strike harder" just from the layman definition of the idea of superstrength

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#8  Edited By TheGhostKnight

@frankthetank40: Buuut I'm gonna out of limb and say the guy who's doing a spin through time while making sure to not stream off into space at those speeds and in fact turn (and hence react) at every point is faster than the guy who had to otherwise build up a huge deal of momentum to reach (near) lightspeed with the same circular movement thing

Also the guy who moved a moon should be strong enough to hurt the other guy who... Er moved a moon

I'm not saying they are entirely non existent but it gets to a point where it's certainly comparable enough where we can say a guy moving a moon should be capable of busting one, or at least operate on a similar scale

Or to be more precise, if ya wanna use science, it would straight up take more energy to move a celestial body in orbit than bust one because who'd have thunk it celestial bodies don't follow the same physics tiny squiggly humans (for whom gravity is basically a non factor) do

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#9  Edited By TheGhostKnight

Like I said,there's little emphasis on feats and way more on reputation, popularity and longevity

To justify the status quo, newer and newer sub classifications are invented "combat speed", "striking power" etc for things as simple as strength and reaction speed, in an ill disguised attempt to basically say "the character I like wins!"

To the point where we have people now immediately going" Thor beats Superman cuz Comics version vs live action lulz". Despite the (multiple) live action versions demonstrating speed well beyond Thor and strength enough to wreck his day

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@frankthetank40: better striking feats but post crisis superman is still not strong enough to move the earth on his own? As opposed to a dude who spins it backwards as a side effect of how fast he is?

Better "combat speed" but post crisis superman is the one fainting from the effort of trying to cross the time barrier (in direct contrast with his pre criss analog who he was trying to catch up with?) as opposed to...etc

There's a thing called plot induced stupidity and CGI not being particularly developed in those days. But sure, if we are making a list, there are 400 more instances of post crisis superman not being particularly competent with "combat speed" compared to whatever Reeve managed in 4 movies

Or, going by their repeatedly demonstrated high end feats, one of these guys casually spins the earth back in time while going back through time. The other needs help to reset the planet in orbit (and in fact was KOd by the force of a planet spinning on its orbit, if we are taking statements at face value, something Reeve produces as a side effect of his speed) and straight up faints on attempting to cross the time barrier on his speed alone