thefantomconvoy

Tons of people who do this around the net fail to see this constantly.

Which is why it's sort of absurd that people would put any kind of stock in the likes of channels like Death Battle. They too use their own variables in the end and thus can't really "conclude" any of these pairings. They'd have to come up with an endless number of scenarios.

Not sure I could ever have a conversation about character X winning or losing to character Y irl. There's many other, more interesting elements that are being slept on in the wake of all that, such as influences, impact, production, tropes used, along with other peripherals and quirks.

Not sure if this is the right section to post it or not but here goes.

Like, discussing character x >/< character y based on power levels, abilities, or a myriad of other factors that change depending on the person setting up the scenario. As one can tell I used to be into it a lot, but time has passed and I've come to see certain things about it that I didn't before, which led to me just dropping it entirely. It also seems to be dying on the net compared to what it used to be.

Some of that would include there just being little point to any of it, and even if it may seem fun, it's actually rather hollow. And then I realized that why do I even need to discuss any of this in the first place, it's rather ridiculous in retrospect unless I just want to get other ideas, because otherwise I can just imagine a scenario myself and be done with it. Not to mention that it's probably the least important element of any series, anyone can make a character of any power level, but not just anyone can make interesting or good characters or non-derivative content. And then why bother being concerned with crossovers that won't ever happen or don't happen the way people want them to? Power is almost never the point.

Even soundtracks have more importance and they're among the most underrated things ever in fictional series.

There's also too many variables anyone can insert in and it's in their court to do so, in which case answers won't even be agreed upon universally.

Since there's a lot of composers out there as well as different eras, I'll do this by splitting between the 20th century and the 21st.

If it doesn't go that widely, how about just mentioning any of them you want?

For pre-20th century works, mine would be Kōhei Tanaka, Yasunori Iwasaki, Kōichi Sugiyama, Toshihiko Sahashi, Kō Ōtani, Yasuo Higuchi, Chūmei Watanabe, Takashi Kudō, Yōko Kanno, and Tomoki Hasegawa.

For 21st century works, Yasuharu Takanashi, Takayuki Negishi, Kenji Kawai, Makoto Miyazaki, Kazuo Nobuta, and Taku Iwasaki.

All these people have made OST's that I actually downloaded and listened to for a long time, would it be the same for you?

Being more precise, it sounds like most 70's Saturday morning cartoon soundtracks from Japan (60's for America), including a lot of the very same ones that the same composer worked on, like Grendizer:

And as an aside, I'd prefer it if we forgot about the Faulconer soundtracks for a moment as many other circumstances hinder them as well, but rather if we focused on what the BGM standard was in Japan during the 80's and 90's. E.g. literally every Gundam series that was made in those decades, Saint Seiya, FotNS, Ideon, Laserion, YYH, the Brave and Eldran series, most works by Sunrise and other studios, etc.

Content from the 80's:

Content from the 90's:

If you've noticed, a lot of these do orchestral soundtracks just like the original DBZ OST does, just better. And they can incorporate more modern elements as well.

In light of all this, DB's original OST doesn't even enter the top 20 (or even 30) anime OST's of the 80's or 90's if one were to rank them after having seen enough. Not even the movies can save the show.

@rukelnikovftw: Let's just look at the OST on its own first, then compare it to the same composer's works during the 70's, and then to the works of other composers. We're not considering any American replacement scores here, just other Japanese OST's from that time period. Also, I meant that only the OP's, ED's, and other vocal themes as well as tracks not composed by Kikuchi are the ones I like. Kikuchi's compositions I don't like as much since they're rather formulaic and sound like his works 2 decades earlier. Not only that, you can drop them on certain other Kikuchi soundtracks and you'd be hard-pressed to notice a difference. They're not unique enough to DB.

To be clear, I'm referring to this:

And also, there are exceptions, such as any soundtrack not originally composed by Shunsuke Kikuchi, which includes just about all the OP's and ED's as well as most insert themes and any instrumental arrangement of those, and also the likes of Solid State Scouter.

Can anyone give any reasons why to prefer it to any other OST made in that time or after? Watching numerous concurrent productions from Japan reinforces my own personal dislike of it.

I suppose you're right about the metal though the harder metals are those enhanced via high-frequency or those made to survive nuclear blasts (but even the Stone Giant Robo-Samurai could survive nuclear blasts).

You're right, they tend to put a lot of scratches on him most of the time. Blade Wolf could also use heat knives but then I doubt those would work since Jack has dodged similar projectiles before.

Blade Wolf also has stealth camo, though he only used it on Jetstream Sam who was able to counter it anyways:

Without the sword? Sorry, but Jack has no other weapon that's able to stand up against High-Frequency weaponry which is not only absurdly strong but has insane cutting power to boot. He'd lose the battle on that factor alone. Also yes, I get the joke :p

Na, I find it better to just make a new thread but I won't do that as I see normal Jack prior to 50 years as being enough of a match.

Probably because he got beaten by both Jetstream Sam and Raiden (2 years apart though).

But anyway, due to my post, what do you think his chances are against Jack now?

It's not only robot armies, but also bounty hunters, assassins, etc. He stalemated the Scotsman for a day & a half and the guy is a lot stronger than him.

So you're saying Jack's speed wasn't achieved through skill?

Anyways it's funny you should mention being able to do things just by watching them once, because Jack was able to do that as a kid.

Say that again when Kenshin has trained all around the world in nearly all relevant forms of armed & unarmed combat & martial arts.