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@zgtfreak said:

Because anime fans will worship anything japanaysee. Jap OST sounds like carnival clown music. Voice acting is shit too.

Bruce Faulconer is way better, the Japanese OST sounds like circus music. People just always assume anything original is better by default.

Being more precise, it sounds like most 70's Saturday morning cartoon soundtracks from Japan (60's for America), including a lot of the very same ones that the same composer worked on, like Grendizer:

Like the DB tracks, they feature an overuse of scales like F Minor but since this one was made in the 70's it's acceptable and therefore makes it better than DB's even though they mostly sound similar. Same goes for works like the original Getter Robo, Gaiking, Daimos, Danguard Ace, etc but as opposed to DB and Z he did compose OP's and ED's for those shows.

And as an aside, I'd prefer it if we forgot about the Faulconer soundtracks for a moment as many other circumstances hinder them as well, but rather if we focused on what the BGM standard was in Japan during the 80's and 90's. E.g. literally every Gundam series that was made in those decades, Saint Seiya, FotNS, Ideon, Laserion, YYH, the Brave and Eldran series, most works by Sunrise and other studios, etc.

Content from the 80's:

And this is just the tip of the iceberg for this decade, too.

Content from the 90's:

And this is to say nothing of all the more popular series besides DB that came out then. If you want to know the titles, just ask me.

Also, the channel I took the most content from uploads only excellent soundtracks from shows that came out in the 80's and 90's, and only one of them is composed by Shunsuke Kikuchi. It isn't even from Dragon Ball either, meanwhile you find stuff like Saint Seiya on there.

If you've noticed, a lot of these do orchestral soundtracks just like the original DBZ OST does, just better. And they can incorporate more modern elements as well.

In light of all this, DB's original OST doesn't even enter the top 20 (or even 30) anime OST's of the 80's or 90's if one were to rank them after having seen enough. Not even the movies can save the show.

@rukelnikovftw: Let's just look at the OST on its own first, then compare it to the same composer's works during the 70's, and then to the works of other composers. We're not considering any American replacement scores here, just other Japanese OST's from that time period. Also, I meant that only the OP's, ED's, and other vocal themes as well as tracks not composed by Kikuchi are the ones I like. Kikuchi's compositions I don't like as much since they're rather formulaic and sound like his works 2 decades earlier. Not only that, you can drop them on certain other Kikuchi soundtracks and you'd be hard-pressed to notice a difference. They're not unique enough to DB.

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#2  Edited By TheFantomConvoy

To be clear, I'm referring to this:

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And also, there are exceptions, such as any soundtrack not originally composed by Shunsuke Kikuchi, which includes just about all the OP's and ED's as well as most insert themes and any instrumental arrangement of those, and also the likes of Solid State Scouter.

Can anyone give any reasons why to prefer it to any other OST made in that time or after? Watching numerous concurrent productions from Japan reinforces my own personal dislike of it.

Additionally, this is my first new post in ages here, Happy New Year.

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@dernman said:

I'm more concerned with CV's white background. It's eye hurting.

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@thefantomconvoy I still think Jack is basically a demigod, and that the opponents Blade Wolf fought are only human, and only metal. So long as Jack has his matrix reflexes, and almost canine instinct (haha just ignore that xd) which rivals, if not surpasses Raiden, not to mention of Jack's sword, that he still takes the edge, tips the table you could say.

But even the enemies that Jack fights can seriously injure him or just completely put him down, and they don't exactly need special weapons, or even weapons at all to do it. So it's still possible for Blade Wolf to do the same, just that I can't really see it happening. Me being aware of those additional feats definitely makes the gap smaller between the two though.

So those are my thoughts, but on a related note, I think that season 5 Jack without his trinity sword (bc it was forged by 3 gods get it hahaha) could be a very interesting matchup, one I think a lot of others will be more open to debate (also you gotta update this thread, so why not do it with the newest Samurai Jack, this is like 2 years old lol). I think Blade Wolf could fight on par with him at the very least, and the sky opens up from there.

I suppose you're right about the metal though the harder metals are those enhanced via high-frequency or those made to survive nuclear blasts (but even the Stone Giant Robo-Samurai could survive nuclear blasts).

You're right, they tend to put a lot of scratches on him most of the time. Blade Wolf could also use heat knives but then I doubt those would work since Jack has dodged similar projectiles before.

Blade Wolf also has stealth camo, though he only used it on Jetstream Sam who was able to counter it anyways:

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Without the sword? Sorry, but Jack has no other weapon that's able to stand up against High-Frequency weaponry which is not only absurdly strong but has insane cutting power to boot. He'd lose the battle on that factor alone. Also yes, I get the joke :p

Na, I find it better to just make a new thread but I won't do that as I see normal Jack prior to 50 years as being enough of a match.

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@thefantomconvoy: oh shoot I think I underestimated Blade Wolf, that guy is a monster :o

It's kind of inconsistent, Blade Wolf doing... that, and then in another cutscene gets literally kicked to the curb, but either way, what's there, is actually happening. That contributes to BW's feats significantly, which is fine by me because I like Blade Wolf a lot.

Probably because he got beaten by both Jetstream Sam and Raiden (2 years apart though).

But anyway, due to my post, what do you think his chances are against Jack now?

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No..he's beaten entire armies of fodder because he dwarfs them on all physical fronts. There's nothing inherently skillful about beating a bunch of nameless soldiers that aren't even a physical threat to you, otherwise Hulk would be more skilled than Nightwing.

Deflecting minigun fire is a showing of reaction time not skill..Kenshin on the otherhand has outreacted a high-level swordsman that was explicitly stated to be faster than him by way of skill and move reading.

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@juiceboks said:

Jack probably wins but the notion that he even approaches Kenshin's skill is laughable.

Say that again when Kenshin has trained all around the world in nearly all relevant forms of armed & unarmed combat & martial arts.

7..Jack has mastered 7 forms of combat that you can actually prove without speculation and most of them are irrelevant to a battle of swordsmanship. Let me know when Jack has mastered an ancient sword technique that combines superhuman speed explicitly achieved through skill and 9 different sword styles on his first attempt..just by watching someone else do it once.

It's not only robot armies, but also bounty hunters, assassins, etc. He stalemated the Scotsman for a day & a half and the guy is a lot stronger than him.

So you're saying Jack's speed wasn't achieved through skill?

Anyways it's funny you should mention being able to do things just by watching them once, because Jack was able to do that as a kid.

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Jack probably wins but the notion that he even approaches Kenshin's skill is laughable.

Say that again when Kenshin has trained all around the world in nearly all relevant forms of armed & unarmed combat & martial arts.

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Jack wins he's faster has better swordsmanship skills has an unbreakable god sword that can cut through anything and has superhuman durability he tanked reentry into the earth's atmosphere hitting the ground at terminal velocity tanking the megaton level explosion that happened when he hit the ground Rip Kenshin.

He was even at the center of this building's explosion:

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#10  Edited By TheFantomConvoy

@gamejutsu:

Samurai Jack would have destroyed that thing, much, much quicker.

Wow, it recently dawned on me after such a long time that Blade Wolf even in the cutscene (and the QTE) was able to use his tail to parry a High-frequency Axe... that was rocket powered and came at the hands of a mecha that's larger than most conventional enemies in MGR. One of these was even an overhead jumping strike:

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In the QTE, Wolf did it again, but this time was able to force Khamsin back:

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Can Jack really parry that level of force from HF weaponry? I mean he's faced very strong people before (such as the Scotsman who can lift tanks and run with them), but how would he actually fend off Khamsin's heavy attacks like Wolf did?