The worst X-men table should have replaced X-man with Beast (Dude will straight up pull you our of your timeline over political differences in your future) and Cyclops with Wolverine (Dude will constantly try to sleep with your wife and sell out the team he's been with for years to the Avengers at the drop of a hat). Perhaps not the worst characters, but definitely the worst X-MEN.
cyclops did cheat on jean and kill prof. x.
If you really want to point fingers for prof x's death, you need to point Iron Man. If he hadn't forced the Phoenix Force into those five X-men, then none of it would have happened. Its odd to me (and another sign of Marvel's huge inconsistencies) that Scarlet Witch gets away mostly unscathed for the huge number of mutants that died due to being depowered, killing Hawkeye, killing Antman, etc; but Cyclops kills one person while being unwillingly possessed by the Phoenix force and he gets thrown in prison.
Beast used to be awesome before they decided to have him develop an irrational hatred of one of his oldest friends. It all started when Nightcrawler got killed protecting Hope and Beast somehow made it Cyclops' fault. I blame bad writing (Bendis) but they've really made Beast a heel the last five years.
Please let the third film have the Triceratons! I like that in a year of heroes fighting heroes and end of the world apocalypses we have this and Deadpool to bring the silly. I think there'll be a nice balance this year for comic book films.
The worst X-men table should have replaced X-man with Beast (Dude will straight up pull you our of your timeline over political differences in your future) and Cyclops with Wolverine (Dude will constantly try to sleep with your wife and sell out the team he's been with for years to the Avengers at the drop of a hat). Perhaps not the worst characters, but definitely the worst X-MEN.
Its good to see the comic vine comment section personified in Avengers. Loser people continue to not understand that comics shouldn't be judged by the color or sex of its characters, but by the content of their stories. So sorry you are bummed out, it's not like there are 70+ years of white male dominated stories out there.........oh wait that's all there was.
i agree with you. we get fifty million hulks with no complaints. there are a million flash's running around. however, when dc or marvel decides to make a minority version of the character that's when the complaining starts.
There are aspects of racism and sexism in the complaints from some for sure. However, that isn't the only reason people dislike changes and there have been fans that decry any change. Does no one remember the backlash when Kyle Rayner become Green Lantern? I think the reason that Flash replacements are taken a little better is because they usually come from the death of the previous and are pre-existing characters. Wally West was Kid Flash before stepping up as was Bart in his brief Flash run. Green Lanterns on the other hand are a huge organization so adding members doesn't detract from the whole. I personally really like Sam Wilson as Captain America because he has been around forever and certainly earned a shot at the mantle. On the other hand, I hate Lady Thor. For me this seemed to come out of left field and only take place for an agenda. I would have preferred if someone like Sif would have stepped into the role.
The other issue I think people have is how quickly they are shoving all these characters onto the Avengers. I remember back in 2000 something when Firestar and Vance were added onto the team during the Busiak run. These characters had been around on teams for over a decade. On the other hand, you have Ms. Marvel whose comics are barely in double digits. She seems too green for the team and the same can be said for baby Nova.
Lastly, those of us on the fence would be more likely won over if every issue didn't contain at least one: "If you don't like this you're a bigot" moment. That's a great way to make those of us on the fence give up on the characters.
I think the changes don't bother me at all because I like good stories. Some one once said (on this website) "what if they made black panther white" and while that sounds like a terrible idea and strange in the worst way, I am going to give the writer at least a CHANCE to tell their story. I legit DO NOT CARE whoever is in a mantel of the bat, or thor, hellboy, whoever, if the story works it works. People can nitpick and complain and find these little annoying things when it comes to forcefully introducing new people, but I just don't care enough about who is in the story as long as its good. This whole cultural phenomenon of needing the status quo to stay as forever is stupid. Burn it all to the ground, build something new and cool. "Well why don't they just make new multi-cultural and female characters". Because when you put Miles in a spiderman costume, or Jane as Thor, it uses the legacy and name of those characters to get to more readers. Are people here really going to complain about introducing more diversity to a wider audience? That blows my mind. But again stories >>>> characters.
Well that is really my point about some the changes. There are ones that seem like an organic thing: Falcon taking the mantle, Miles taking over after Ultimate Parker died, the new Nova taking over for Ryder. Then there are changes that seem to have been made simply to make an impact: Jane Foster taking over the mantle of Thor, 616 Iceman becoming gay despite no previous indication. Additionally, I think the problem that Lady Thor runs into is that the writer is obsessed with hitting on the character's gender OVER and OVER again at least a couple times an issue. That will win praise from the hardcore crowd, but those on the fence just grow annoyed. I just always thought X-men had the best (but not perfect) handle on diversity back before they became Marvel's pariahs.
Its good to see the comic vine comment section personified in Avengers. Loser people continue to not understand that comics shouldn't be judged by the color or sex of its characters, but by the content of their stories. So sorry you are bummed out, it's not like there are 70+ years of white male dominated stories out there.........oh wait that's all there was.
i agree with you. we get fifty million hulks with no complaints. there are a million flash's running around. however, when dc or marvel decides to make a minority version of the character that's when the complaining starts.
There are aspects of racism and sexism in the complaints from some for sure. However, that isn't the only reason people dislike changes and there have been fans that decry any change. Does no one remember the backlash when Kyle Rayner become Green Lantern? I think the reason that Flash replacements are taken a little better is because they usually come from the death of the previous and are pre-existing characters. Wally West was Kid Flash before stepping up as was Bart in his brief Flash run. Green Lanterns on the other hand are a huge organization so adding members doesn't detract from the whole. I personally really like Sam Wilson as Captain America because he has been around forever and certainly earned a shot at the mantle. On the other hand, I hate Lady Thor. For me this seemed to come out of left field and only take place for an agenda. I would have preferred if someone like Sif would have stepped into the role.
The other issue I think people have is how quickly they are shoving all these characters onto the Avengers. I remember back in 2000 something when Firestar and Vance were added onto the team during the Busiak run. These characters had been around on teams for over a decade. On the other hand, you have Ms. Marvel whose comics are barely in double digits. She seems too green for the team and the same can be said for baby Nova.
Lastly, those of us on the fence would be more likely won over if every issue didn't contain at least one: "If you don't like this you're a bigot" moment. That's a great way to make those of us on the fence give up on the characters.
Lands art is better than it has been in a long time, stop hating just because its Greg Land you hive mind haters.
Or maybe we're hating because all his females look completely indistinguishable due to the fact that he traces the same handful of porn actresses for each one. I'd rather see art from Ray Charles' animated corpse than spend money on another Land book. The dude is hot garbage.
Yeah, I expected a response similar to this.
You knew what to expect because the complaints about his art have been the same for years. He is a hack who should have been chased out of Marvel years ago. I can only assume he has pictures of Brevoort with a sheep that keeps him working.
Lands art is better than it has been in a long time, stop hating just because its Greg Land you hive mind haters.
Or maybe we're hating because all his females look completely indistinguishable due to the fact that he traces the same handful of porn actresses for each one. I'd rather see art from Ray Charles' animated corpse than spend money on another Land book. The dude is hot garbage.
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