TheBalance

IDK where Komamura being one of the weakest comes from. Even in the SS arc, he's portrayed as one of the most powerful captains. Kenpachi after he released some of his shackles was Nnoitra level in the SS arc. Kenpachi never trains and he gains power by nearing death so him fighting on par with Nnoitra has weight because by that logic he should be easily stomping SS arc bankai captains and that's where him easily taking on Tousen came from. Now Byakuya being a formidable captain at the time would get murked by base Grimmjow with his bankai. Nnoitra would stomp even harder and that's where SS arc Kenny was. Same Kenny who said Komamura would be a fun opponent which without a doubt puts Komamura among the strongest captains since that time. This speculative downplay without any shred of evidence needs to stop. Nowadays Bleach characters are said to be weak just cuz. A great deal of scaling is required before you can ever put a power level on a Bleach character.

@ourmanuel:

Released Barragan would be above R1 Ulquiorra who stomped ichigo. I doubt the visored are going to be on that level.

But why not, when Harribel>R1 Ulquiorra and the vizord lieutenants are atleast near equals with her, then base Kensei>full powered vizord lieutenants. Not only that but the other vizord captains had to be only a little below released Starrk which would ultimately make them around released Barragan or higher even without their mask. And btw, with scaling equality among espada ranks, Base Baraggan should be above R1 Ulquiorra. When You have Hachigen reacting to released Baraggan you can't say the the captains which easily has more reiatsu, can't be at that level. I'm not just making stuff up as I go along, and I'm not second guessing anything. What I'm saying to you isn't an hypothesis, I've long passed that stage, I have a clear view of the differences in power among these guys and the random numbers aren't made up figures.

@ourmanuel:

He’s already proven how good he is by beating ukitake(Though it was a surprise attack), hollow mask mashiro and bankai Kensei all in base

There's no way that WW defeated bankai Kensei without using his ressureccion. That would make Kensei weaker than the vizord lieutenants even with bankai. With the more logical approach to assume Kensei is equal in power to the other vizord captains, WW would definitely need to use ressureccion to have even a small chance and based on the duration of their battle, it's likely they were on par with each other for the most part.

Remember, the vizords had to be within a 2.5× difference in reiatsu from Starrk, both with and without their masks so even with just their shikai, they should already have power similar to released Baraggan or maybe a little lower or higher. Base WW would fall in the gap between the vizord lieutenants (who are near equals to released Harribel) and released Baraggan. I can't recall if he used a sonido against Mashiro but if he did and she reacted to it, he'd be closer to Harribel's level than Baraggan's which would make defeating even shikai Kensei next to impossible.

@ourmanuel:

Spirits are forever with you

Actually, I've never read that novel, I'm using my scaling to conclude this. The only info I've caught from that novel is that VL Ichigo cannot be stronger than Yammy.

@theemperor95: the Kenpachi that fought Yammy>>>>>>> when he fought Nnoitra, it should be fairly obvious from the Ulquiorra fight just how close in power someone has to be to an arrancar to deal any damage to them especially with hierro as hard as Yammy's. Nnoitra wouldn't put a single scratch on Yammy and he'd literally get one shotted so that wouldn't be a valid comparison.

@theemperor95: then again you could argue that in base he's easily above the vizord lieutenants, and I'm tempted to say he'd have power similar to the vizord captains with shikai. That would make him a good degree above even released Nnoitra so he's definitely around top tier in that arc. Add in the fact he said his power surpassed the espadas, although it's a bit ehh, but he should easily be around the top captains in that arc

@ourmanuel: I'm uh, not familiar with that abbreviation

@ourmanuel:

Just an off topic statement that probably would make everyone not take me seriously after this, but here are the captains who's spiritual pressure are beyond VL Ichigo's:

Komamura (lol surprised me too)

Tousen

Kensei

Gin

Aizen (obviously)

Kenpachi

Byakuya (probably equal)

I don't remember anymore but these are all the people who's spiritual pressure should be atleast a bit above VL Ichigo based on the power they displayed. I'm not accounting for hypothetical bankais such as Shunsui's

@ourmanuel: Actually IMO WW takes R3 aswell. Remember the Vizord captains could baisically match Starrk before he lit them up but still didn't do all that much damage. They were generally equal to Starrk tho, remember that my scaling also suggests that the vizord's (failed experiments/mock arrancars) hollowfication is approximately a 2.5× boost in power, well considering Kensei is equal in strength to the others, his bankai would be 4× the power the other vizord captains displayed (since that's a 10× boost). So say what you will about my scaling but WW>1st Ira form Yammy who is a bit stronger than you know who ? but who listens to me anyway.

And also considering Mashiro is similar in power to the other vizord lieutenants, and although she could push WW around (mind you he wasn't taking damage) he could neutralize her cero with his own, but even if we say he's stronger than Mashiro, I can't solidly prove he'd be superior to released Harribel but based off what we know, his reiatsu would be closer to that of released Harribel than base Harribel who's logically stronger than base Ulquiorra.

@grappolo: Well Ginjo kinda clearly said that FB Ichigo is weaker than before. It was sorta indirect but if you watch over the fight between pre-amp Ginjo and FB shikai Ichigo while paying close attention to his words, you'll get an idea of how Ichigo's fullbring would stack up to his former power. He also very clearly says how his power stacks up with Ichigo's former power. If you listen out for it, you can't miss it.