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Should be pretty obvious that if the ultra light weighted rock jutsu can remove and island's worth of mass from an object, that inverse of that jutsu can add an island's worth of mass to an object.

And obviously if he's attacking with it he has no reason to use less mass against the strongest opponent he's ever fought.

If lightening someone makes them move faster, shouldn't adding weight be capable of just rendering them immobile? Onoki increasing his own weight to that of a building should make fighting unthinkable. Increasing his allies weight should only be fairly insignificant enough to not negatively impact their ability to fight. Only applicable way of using it to a high degree on himself is by increasing his weight right on impact then getting it back to normal. If he could do that, he'd kinda be god tier. He definitely can't put island level weight on someone to increase power, that'd just make them crush the ground nd keep falling the the core.

Another great application is just incapacitating someone by weightening them to the point of immobility. That'd be too broken 😅. Tapping PS on the ankle nd watch get folded like a sack of potatoes

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@gokukid2005: Naruto casually tanked Madera and Obitos majestic flame destroyer at the same time as shielding the Shinobi alliance... Kyubi chakra cloak > flames

Hell, Naruto as Hokage could solo with shadow clones and avatars.

What did those flames ever do? IIRC about 10 jonins canceled Madara's flames with water style. Even without any defenses, it's hard to imagine that the flames would do more than char them up. In Naruto that might be enough to kill them. Edrad would completely vaporize lower adjuchas with his flames which are deadlier than his ceros. Lower adjuchas would vaporize gillians and gillians would vaporize shinobi.

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Yeah honestly aizen could solo as they have no way to put him down. Ichigo just makes it much easier. His merged bankai form is far too much for any gotei captain

His shikai is already way above their paygrade.

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Aizen is so overrated Bankai Yama could defeat either of them 1 on 1 more reaitsu doesnt equal winner that only applies when your reaitsu dwarfs your opponent and Bankai kenny would give Ichigo hell add Adult toshiro, Byakuya and the extremely hax of rukia if reaitsu crush meant everything Ichigo would not have been stomped by Askin with no effort while in Shikai, Aizen will go down as well Yama base was implying he could take down Aizen no zanpaktou needed while he was already caught with KS,

Bankai Kenpachi would've immediately died against a holding back shikai Ichigo.

Ichigo never released his power until he faced SK Yhwach. He actually didn't even view base Yhwach as enough of a powerhouse to go all out. All the schutzstaffel have a factor which makes them capable of affecting anyone regardless of spiritual difference. Askin's poison would affect anyone and unless their's insane tolerance or immunity, they'll fall, even if it happens to be Ichigo. Even Chad should've been capable of dealing with the elites. Remember Askin dropped the same guy that soloed the other schutzstaffel members and would've won without outside interference. Both Kisuke and Yoruichi would've died without interference so don't use that as a way to downscale Ichigo. Even then, when he faced Yhwach after the SK absorption, he said he became strong, then corrects himself by saying he had always had this power. Just means Ichigo was fooling around up until that point. And SK Yhwach is the only person to make him not fool around.

Aizen is kinda near this.

Yama doesn't stand a chance at beating them. Yhwach with all the powers of the fallen sternritter, Yama's power and the Soul King's power thought it reckless to fight Ichigo without the Almighty. Fighting bankai Ichigo with the Almighty wasn't an option and breaking his bankai was seemingly the only move. Yama doesn't scale that high

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Jiriyah and Orichimar just head out after Tsunade breaks her hand punching Renji in the face who just looks at her with a blank stare not shifting a millimeter from what seems like her full power.

Tsunade heals and looks at Byakuya who says "don't bother, I'm stronger"

She nods with a look of disappointment and heads home too

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Can't say Uryu stomps easily tbh. If Orihime's offensive ability increased as much as her defense, it could be a tough fight considering the Antithesis' effect can be rejected. Her absolute defense and reaction keeps both Chad and Uryu at bay. Chad is the odd one out with no way of telling how strong he's become or if his abilities got better. Orihime is as strong as if not stroger than Uryu, (the Ichigo knock out bit, wasn't just comedy relief)... Might be by a good margin considering Ichigo literally got knocked out when he was only releasing Uryu level power. Might be reading it too much but that translates to Orihime being able to grab Uyu's head and just take him out with a headbutt.

In all honesty, I think Uryu is the weakest of the 3. Going off a hunch with Chad but I'd say he's just as strong as Orihime. Can't get past her defense though.

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@wk_decaff: lol, dude never won against a single relecant character in the series.

Hashi was superior to madara with kurama

Hashi was pretty nuch superior to everyone without rikudou buff or 8 gates.

Hashi stomps kyouraku.

See the thing is, relevant Naruto characters could die to irrelevant Bleach characters. The two series are not the same with power. Even fodders like Jidanbo were physically on par with or above SM Naruto bt also has an unquantifiable energy added to that which makes him much stronger than he appears. Seated officer level Ichigo no sold his strikes with a casual stance as though there wasn't any force behind it. 8 gates buff isn't all that tbh. There are a ton of examples why a reiatsu increase is many times above a physical increase to the point where you'd reconsider the scaling in the entire series.

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Hashi shits on him and his games that will get him killed before he even makes it half way through explaining how its played. Hashi fought massively stronger characters than shunsui, hashi has way more fire power than anyone shunsui fought and lost too (though lille is more haxxed bassed and losing to him is not really all that bad) but still ma boi kyouraku lost to characters with no hax.

Base Hashirama >>>>> stark and Robert at the same time.

Not only the fact that kyouraku never won a battle against anyone relevant, he never injured or heaviky damage anyone relevant, all his fights ended up in mismatches as strong as he is he is fodder with no feats, against the likes of hashi.

Starrk and Robert can kill hollows with hoards of menos class hollows within them using just their presence. A cero from a menos is said to be capable of leaving absolutely nothing behind when it hits a shinigami. There's like a million tiers to pass before you reach Starrk level

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@valhallavolund: he isn't stupid, but he still doesn't go all out, thats the kast thing he does, and we alk know this lol, and that will cost him cuz his shikai games are not enough for him to oneshot hashi because hashi heals, has wood clones the moment kyouraku fails to land the first shot, its not like teleportation is something new to hashi, his lil bro who is established to be weaker than hashi has it and he spams it to high heaven.

So yea teleportation is nothing new to hashi and he will counter according as i said with sensing/healing/cloning.

Remember how madara thought he stabbed hashi but it turned out to be a wood clone?? And hashi got madara instead?? Thats literally whats gonna happen, but instead of madara it will be kyouraku.

Kyouraku dicks around too much and isn't too serious in fights, even telling stark to use his release, and telling stark how his game work.

Yall really think this dude IN CHARACTER is beating hashi??? Hellz naah.

Clones don't work on Bleach characters in this fashion. Shunsui could tell if Hashirama is taking a shit from 12 kilometers away. A wood clone wont trick him. Their basic sensory powers is a way batter than sage sensing

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@plustenken: Yes it is...

Funny you didnt reply to everything else i said. Explain how Urahara can defeat ulquiorra when his shikai can't wound Ulquiorra in base. And don't say it was casual, i can also say ulquiorra casually swatted it as well, meaning if both are serious, ulquiorra would still swatt uraharas attacks but this time with effort. Meaning in higher forms bankai and ressureccion 1 they'd also be in the same position, with ulquiorra slapping his attacks aside, segunda Ulquiorra would then stomp effortlessly.

There's this thing Bleach characters can do that's called suppressing their reiatsu. Kenpachi is literally the only captain who doesn't consciously suppress himself. Plus the attack was meant for Yammy nd likely wasn't even a killing blow considering he said before that he fired something equal to Yammy's cero to neutralize it. Kisuke then used the same attack that again was meant to be Yammy's cero level to which Ulquiorra easily deflected.

I'm not sure you've noticed, but every last captain in FKT arc would stomp base Ulquiorra considering that they were matching released espada ranked above him. Even the weakest of them, Toshiro, could press released Ulquiorra.