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In the latest episode Invincible said he's faster and stronger out of the two and Abraham Lincoln didn't object so that settles that

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Arkham Deathstroke would clap MCU Cap yet early career Batman beat him handily and an experienced Batman completely trivialized him. Cap could have Sam and Bucky here yet still catch a beat down

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Ares could do this easily and yet his TK grip got overpowered by Diana's strength, she's got this

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Your guess is as good as mine so I hope someone provides insight

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@the_gaurdian: 1. her leaping towards him once or twice doesn't change the fact that the rest of the entire fights is super soldier level. Steppenwolf is actually slow.

So slow he could lazily turn his head and block lighting after it was fired huh. That's way better than Hela taking entire seconds to see lightning from Thor coming at her and still managing to get hit so she'd be the slow one in this case. If Wonder Woman could close the distance between them before he could even swing his axe at her she'd have no problem blitzing Hela's head off.

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It is a feat for Hogun and Valkyrie as they don't have many fights.

This is what we call having no feats lol. As it stands fodder Amazons look better than Hogun considering they're strong enough to briefly hold multiple tons of stone on their shoulders and can catch arrows while leaping in between horses. If a fodder Amazon has a good chance of replicating Hogun's feats against Hela then the strongest among them should be just fine here I feel.

Valkyrie's speed feats are all from deflecting multiple blades including a blade spam from Hela who reacts to lightning.

The blades that don't move fast right? Those ones? Also Hela got hit twice by Thor's lightning lol if by reacting you mean aim dodging then sure she "reacted".

2. We're talking about Asgardian Soldiers not a God.

What are Asgardians supposed to be again?

The soldiers talking down a Kursed elf is better than failing to take down Steppenwolf.

Both versions of Steppenwolf would walk through multiple Kurses, the biggest claim to fame for Kurse in the MCU is throwing a boulder. Even briefly stopping someone much stronger than every Dark Elf is enough to say the Amazons could do what the Asgardians did.

Is there anything that says Asgardian Soldiers are weaker than before?

Admittedly it's a deleted scene but this is where they think run of the mill Asgardians stand compared to Thor who as we saw got stomped out when in a similar situation in Sakkar.

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3. Watched it twice and she didn't block anything from behind. Assuming she did is headcanon.

So again: If she didn't reflect the bullets back at the soldiers despite the fact that we've seen her do it multiple times before did she manage to blitz the soldiers in the distance so quickly that we just couldn't see it or did they just fall down on their own? Only one of the three conclusions makes sense but I'd like to hear what you think happened if the first one is "headcanon" in your eye.

Hela consistently reacts to lightning.

There's nothing consistent about her reaction except for her ability to get hit by lightning lmao. Twice in the span of a few minutes I should add.

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Lol There are definitely way more than a couple dozen soldiers. She literally fought Asgard.

A couple dozen more soldiers were present in her fight compared to Diana's I said. And it's true. She fought a handful of fodders who had the courtesy of attempting to run up to her while she spammed blades. If Diana had that ability too she would've cleared Asgard quicker than Hela did considering she moves way faster to the point where she can actually blitz opponents.

Those ships fly faster than Slug Woman in the air.

The Slug Woman that was producing mach cones while flying? I doubt it.

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The only difference is Wonder Woman isn't dodging that many attacks or Gun fire from multiple ships.

I already showed her blitzing through a group of soldiers that fired at her from all angles lol. Adding ships to the equation just means she'll have to block their fire too or just simply move faster than the bullets which she's already demonstrated she can do.

She has never encountered a group that large to fight.

Diana's very first day on the job was her crossing No Man's Land and taking a town that had been held by the German army, that's a bit more complex than about 200 fodders running up to you while you spam blades.

Funny how all you can do is lowball Thor but there's nothing to lowball for Hela.

No I actually have multiple times for both lol but if you want another for Hela here she is needing three hammer swings to break through stone. Pretty paltry compared to Diana who was treating concrete like tissue paper during her fight with Ares.

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Thor throws a ball at a window with his own strength and gets back up.

So his own strength wasn't enough to break glass? Not looking good that Hela's had a few extended fights with this guy.

Thor wasn't dazed by the car, he literally got right up and got grabbed by tendrils.

All I'm seeing is excuses TBH, he couldn't move quick enough after the body slam to stop some slow tendrils from grabbing him.

I'm pretty sure that Gorr, The Ball, and Hydra Soldiers are above Wind.

Yeah but being dazed by a pillar being thrown, recoiling from a slap from a human then recoiling from a slap again by a raccoon definitely aren't. See where I'm going with this? You've mentioned the wind twice and I was able to find three equally if not more pathetic showings from Thor then found three more on top of that. One is definitely worse than the other.

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Wonder Woman couldn't even get up from a Parademon.

Lmao this is her getting up in the movie what do you mean. Would you have preferred she got ensnared in a net then dogpiled instead like Thor or tagged a few more times like Hela does?

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Hela doesn't even need to try to dodge. She can let her stab her, take the sword out and break it. Now Wonder Woman has absolutely zero options to harm Hela

She'd have to be quick enough to do that and as we've discussed she isn't. The fight also isn't on Asgard so she won't be healing so it'll go like her battle with Hogun only instead of her brushing it off she's decapped.

So far I can tell this is getting no where since you're set on believing that Asgardians are Human Level

Well you started it by calling Diana a "mid tier who got dazed by a parademon" so give yourself a little credit lmfao. You're no different than every other MCU fan that likes to come right out the gate with lowballing then gets surprised when I and others can stoop lower if that's the game we wanna play. Not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

and trying so hard to make it seem like Wonder Woman is constantly moving with blur speed.

Well since she has multiple times throughout the DCEU I wouldn't really call it trying hard it's really just you refusing to accept what's been on screen since she appeared in 2016.

Faora had a blitz scene faster than any of Diana's and was still tagged by Soldiers.

Faora has nothing to do with the thread other than pointing out that she's also faster than Hela.

Wonder Woman couldn't fight an entire army without being touched.

Well to her credit Hela couldn't do it either since she got tagged multiple times so it's alright.

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1. No I mean super soldier combat speed like below. If you're gonna use the Steppenwolf examples why don't you play the entire fights, specifically where Wonder Woman blitzed him in the first one or in the final battle where time slowed to a crawl but Diana was still moving along with Steppenwolf. At least the DC movies go out of their way to show speed still. It's supposedly a "feat for Hogun and Valkyrie" to keep up with her when they have zero speed feats of note lmao. Sounds like cope.

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2. No Is showed one of the supposed best Asgardians getting stomped on by human level fodder, the example you picked for Asgardian soldiers are from two wars thousands of years ago and even then that's nothing compared to Amazons showings against Steppenwolf.

3. Slow it down and watch it again. As she's blitzing through soldiers some open fire then a split second later they're hitting the ground. It's either she hit them so hard that we couldn't perceive them or she was able to deflect bullets back at her from behind while blitzing through enemies in front of her as well. That's once again better than Hela's feat. Couple dozen more soldiers? No problem considering they only have melee weapons. Ships wouldn't be safe from someone who can fly as we saw in WW84 as well. Hela's feat is nothing Diana couldn't do. Only difference is Hogun isn't tagging her.

4. Using wind is funny but nowhere near as funny as Thor getting knocked on his ass by a ball that couldn't even break glass. Or Thor being visibly dazed by Gorr slamming him into a car that didn't even break. Or Thor taking multiple seconds to take out 3 soldiers and getting tagged too while Diana can take twice as many in less time without being hit. Or-

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@ecoblitz: It's wank to point out that Steppenwolf could do exactly what these four did below? The only one that could compete with him in strength is Thanos and even then it's close, not seeing how that's wank lmao. Wolf was able to two shot Aquaman who took multiple hits from the Karathen without bruising or bleeding, someone far stronger than the people that regularly bully Thor. On a regular basis he could give Wonder Woman trouble, someone that also smiles off hits that would put Thor in the blender. Odinson just isn't him I''m afraid.

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So getting tagged by Valkyrie that trains with the Hulk, keeps up with every Thor Villain in combat and is above regular Asgardians is bad?

Yes getting tagged by the Valkyrie with supersoldier level combat speed is bad, looping in the Hulk and Thor villains into this isn't making it any better because they're slow too.

Hela already killed a multitude of Valkyrie's in a different realm that was away from Asgard.

Yeah through a sword spam and yet Brunhilde was able to close the distance and get face to face with her just like Hogun did. Hela has good flashy moves and swords but she's extremely slow lol.

Any proof that Asgardian Soldiers are more fodder than the humans that have tagged Wonder Woman?

Yeah, the supposed best among all of Asgards warriors failed to oneshot fodder, couldn't dodge a net and then proceeded to get stomped out by some random pirates lol. At least Wonder Woman beats any of the humans that have tagger her, Asgardians scale BELOW this guy and Hela had multiple fights with him where he got hits in.

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Wonder Woman would get lit up trying to fight that many human soldiers. It would be very difficult to believe she could survive a fight with multiple Valkyries.

She was in this situation a century ago and did better than Hela lmao. This is speed, notice how she's actually blitzing through the soldiers and blocking bullets from all directions while doing so too. That's way better than letting a group of fodder run up to you so you can take them out and still managed to get tagged multiple times like Hela did.

Also I'm pretty sure that Asgardian Soldiers>>Human Soldiers

Amazons beat the Germans that showed up on their beaches so this isn't a gothca.

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The Thor that fought smart against Malekith and Surtur would give Wolf a legendary fight before going down. The scrub that we usually see get punked by the likes of Kurse, Ultron, Thanos and Gorr gets bulldozed here though.

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@justneedhelp: Hela at the supposed peak of her power got tagged consistently by fodder Asgardians and Valkyrie. IDK you tell me. One looks worse than the other, I'm just pointing that out 🤷