@darthjhawk: Your move.
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Alright straight off the bat there's a couple things I notice: Clint's only real way of winning is through trick arrows. Because let's face it, once Barbara gets in close, it's over for Hawkeye (which I will get into later in the post). And i think that's exactly what would happen, because as far as what i'm aware of and the feats you've presented so far; there's no compelling evidence that suggests Clint can hit Barbara with an arrow. Below are speed feats of her being what you like to call being a casual bullet timer.
As you can see from the scans above, Barbara is insanelyfast, and coupled with her versatility in gadgets and consistent showcase of speed with her batarangs, she has more than enough capability to close the distance with Hawkeye. Let's look at some feats of her being quick with her gadgets (some bigger names to mention, like Captain Boomerang and Livewire)
How strong is Barbara's equipment?
Now as far as durability goes, let's look at the scans:
So what we're taking from these durability feats is that one, her suit is fireproof and is able to withstand explosives and electric blasts. Two, she has an iron chin, and is able to trade blows with metahumans. And three, she just doesn't give up.
Another point I would like to mention is Barbara's hand-to-hand skills. She shares the ability to read body language with Dick Grayson, and they both use it as an advantage to predict what their opponent is going to do. With that being said, she has picked up on how her former teammate moves and thinks, and was able to actually catch Nightwing off-guard in a brief scuffle.
This feat is impressive considering the skill level Nightwing is currently at. Here's a quote from @jayaaerow about NW beating Batman in NW 30:
"(Note: Yes, he did, in fact, beat Bruce. According to Tim Seeley in an interview, he did win. Bruce did not hold back. He explained that Bruce did think he could take him on at full strength. And it is he who gave up and recieved bandages. The Batcave is also partially destroyed. Many attempt to debunct this feat as Batman holding back. He did not.) (Nightwing 30)"
With that being said, I attribute this feat to Barbara's unorthodox fight style and ability to read movement. Barbara's ruthless ballet-based fighting style (along with the fact that she likes to mix up her fighting with her gadgets) makes her a dangerous opponent because it catches people off-guard, and Barbara takes advantage of that. Especially to someone like Clint who isn't particularly as skilled as Nightwing in H2H combat, and he hasn't fought someone with the a similar fighting style to Barbara. She's willing to fight dirty and hit you where you're most vulnerable. It is actually a common trait for her to fight dirty and brutally. Let's take a look at some H2H feats:
These feats are just the few of many examples that prove Batgirl has more than what it takes to take down Clint in this fight. To put it this way, I think Barbara is just too fast, too skilled, and too versatile and unorthodox for Clint to handle. From the feats presented thus far and the research i've done on Hawkeye; there isn't enough feats (or any really) that suggest Hawkeye can tag and person who moves like Barbara does. It's just not happening. We're talking about the same Barbara that dodges bullets on a daily and grew up competing with Nightwing in acrobatic ability. One major factor also which pretty much confirms that Barbara is going to to close the distance, is that Clint is going to be having to avoid various gadget attacks as well (which include grappling hooks, bolas, batarangs, foam grenades, and explosive batarangs.) All of which can result in win either through a KO win (via headshot with batarang), or easy INCAP win (via foam grenades and bolas). And if it made matters worse for Clint; Barbara's suit can withstand explosives and superhuman electricity attacks. Her cape is durable enough protect her from fire and metahuman acid blasts, and Barbara's gauntlets have shock plates in them. All Barbara needs to do is close the distance(which i am strongly confident Barbara will do), get close and put on a striking clinic. In the actual h2h fight, Clint is not going to be ready for Barbara's fast, brutal, and tactical fight style, and quite frankly, I believe he will be foamed up or bola'd up before he can even put up his fight stance. Her feats have put her in at least Black Canary's level in h2h skill. Her ability to read her opponents movement, paired with her h2h skill and variety of gadgets at her disposal, will make it easy for Barbara to decide which of her many ways of beating Hawkeye she wants to use to win the battle.
Batgirl wins this fight.
Challenge a Viner: @darthjhawk's 616 Hawkeye vs @sync1's N52 Batgirl
Hawkeye represented by: @darthjhawk
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Batgirl represented by: @sync1
Tale of the Tape:
| Barbara "Batgirl" Gordon | vs | Clint "Hawkeye" Barton |
|---|---|---|
| 5"7 | Height | 6"3 |
| 135 | Weight | 230 |
| 21 | Age | Probably like 30 |
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Rules
- Standard New 52 versions/feats for Batgirl (pre-redesign composite)(sync1)
- Standard 616 versions/feats for Hawkeye (darthjhawk)
- In-character & determined to win by any means
- Win by KO, Death, or Incap
- *Both characters have basic knowledge of each other (ex: Hawkeye knows Batgirl was trained by Batman and has similar gadgets, Batgirl knows Hawkeye is a marksman and has trick arrows)
- Fight starts across the street from each other, both behind cover (behind the taxis)
Map
CaV rules:
- When voting is open, a series of users will be tagged for voting. You do not need to be tagged to vote, as voting is open to anybody.
- 3 posts maximum for each debater
- First user to obtain 5 votes (either @darthjhawk or @sync1) wins the debate. (or whoever has the most votes after a 1 week span).
- The only way for your vote to count is if you leave an explanation as to why you have voted for the user (ex: vote for whoever you believe made the stronger argument that supports their respective character would win)
- Please, don't leave a comment for anything other than asking for a T4V, or giving your vote and explaining why you voted for who. If you feel there are any flaws in our feats or arguments, PM us instead :)
Let the CaV begin @darthjhawk . You can post your intro or wait for me, up to you
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- New 52 versions (Hal Jordan)
- In character, standard equipment
- Win by KO, death, Incap
- Fight in unpopulated city
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