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#1  Edited By swils94

@wyldsong said:

Unless I am misreading this, no more than 3 full page scans from a particular book. So if you use three scans from Spider-Man #1, then that is it for scans from that particular issue in that thread. You can still post three scans from issue number 2 (which will then be the limit for scans from that book), then issue number 3 and so on. But, if what you post is being taken out of context, they will allow someone else to post the counter scans proving it wrong, they just don't want more than 3 scans coming out of one particular issue of a comic in general.

Sound about right @renchamp?

Say you use up the 3 scan limit and try to explain the context to someone who hasn't read the book. How are you to provide proof that that's how it went down?

This is not to say that if three scans cannot adequately show the point then the claim is false, it just means that everyone needs to find the book and find out for themselves.

So if you want proof, go find it yourself? That is tier 1 debating right there.

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A stupid and unnecessary rule.

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I believe Arno is the best swordsman out of all the assassins. Sadly, he isn't here.

Unless he's taken on army's while remaining untouched, he's nowhere near the best swordsman.

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What Edward did in that trailer was impressive. Not as impressive as Connor's trailer, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUhraVG7Ow

I looked through the video several times and I didn't see Edward throw a rope to save anyone. Besides, that wouldn't matter. Haytham was also able to do that but was defeated by Connor.

I'll give you that the blowpipe was impressive. However, it was not as impressive as crossing a battlefield.

Edward chased the dude, he didn't really fight him. Any assassin can chase a fool

The difference between Edward's trailer and Connor's trailer is the fact that Edward's trailer has some form of backup to prove its canonicity, whereas Connor's doesn't.

He doesn't throw a rope, he shoots a rope. He was suppose to anyway, since its 100% for Edward to shoot the rope. But clearly IGN has a alternate demo version. Haytham isn't Edward and bullets move faster than knives.

Because running across a battlefield and using a blowpipe as a feat of accuracy is the same thing...

Last video was pointing out how skilled Edward is, by fighting assassins.

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Doubtful to a non-thinker, Edward is a simpleton with some wit who had to learn late compared to Ezio who was allowed to develop his skills from an earlier age than Edward at a faster pace due to his accessibility to assassin knowledge and resources. Edward may have some training due to privateering for the British Navy for less than 1 year and his career as a pirate, but that gives him NO advantages. Name one thing that Edward has above Ezio......................I can name at least 5 things that Ezio has over Eddy.

  1. Experience, obviously. Ezio was not only in the assassin brotherhood earlier (age wise) but he lived a much longer life in the Brotherhood, experienced more combat while an assassin, retired in his 50's and died of a peaceful heart attack at the age of 65. Edward retired in his 30's and was murdered at the age of 42.
  2. Training, obviously. Ezio was raised by assassins and although he started training at 17, his upbringing lead into him becoming a prodigy who was already agile, combat efficient, observant, well educated and cunning at an early age. His 12 years of training bolstered those already adequate skills to mastery, allowed him to develop new skills and then continued training for years to master those. Edward's training extends to a very short lived service in the British Navy and what he picked up from being a pirate. While being slightly military and mostly self taught is impressive, his complete lack of formal assassin training obstructs one from actually making a case for him being anywhere near as competent or efficient in combat as Ezio.
  3. Skill, obviously. He was trained by masters of combat for years and has had the time to develop those skills for decades. He's a better swordsman, knife fighter, and marksman (basically better at everything Edward does and more). He's fought especially skilled opponents and I could go down the list of his skill feats but I'll save that for later. Edward however has no skill feats or claims accept by Blackbeard in the trailer and never really had to fight anyone of particular skill or merit besides the featless assassin Duncan Walpole, no name assassins who were taken out easily by fodder soldiers and El Tiburon who could only be defeated with bullets.
  4. Intelligence, obviously. Guy was a scholar, explorer and a mentor to other assassins, before that he was well educated due to his nobility and taught further by the assassins and by Leonardo da Vinci. Ezio increased both his street and book smarts during his assassin training and mastered both over time. Edward has no formal education besides what he learned during his year of privateering and what he picked up during his travels on the sea as a pirate, he is a commoner with above average intelligence and is basically all street/sea smarts.
  5. Speed, obviously. Ezio's speed and agility were already proficient from free running at a young age and only got better, he was considered legendary for his athletics alone even at the age of 52, not to mention that his armor got heavier and he acquired more weapons and items as the years passed. Edward may be fast and agile due to his rigging skills but he isn't on Ezio's level, far from legendary at any rate.

I can get into physicals, gear, armor and such ... but I doubt you're gonna be the one to argue it. I already know that you can't prove how Edward wins rounds 1 and 2, let alone why he wins. He'd get stomped by Ezio in his prime in both rounds, even his Eagle Vision is better (it evolved into Eagle Sense).

As for round 3, Connor has his amps from the DLC so even with all their gear, Ezio and Eddy can't see him or touch him while he can one shot them with super strength. Not to mention that Alair is in the mix and could easily combat either one of the two. Connor and Altair win.

But anyway, my point still stands ...

@ancient_0f_days said:

Ezio is better in every way than Eddy

A non-thinker, huh? Takes one to know one. The advantages you pointed out are mostly irrelevant to the battle rounds at hand. You're speaking of experience, training and skill from a narrow standpoint. The first round states what gear is to be used (hidden blade, 2 swords, knife, and guns). Who has more experience, training and skill with dual swords and guns? I'll give you a hint: Edward Kenway. He's been able to shoot six dummies within 20 seconds or so (if I remember correctly). He's accurate enough to shoot a rope to stop an execution. Then there's the fact that Edward is an apt dual sword wielder, whereas Ezio is a single sword wielder and has very little showings against such an offensive opponent. The fight is over before it begins.

As for the second round, nothing in your post is relevant to argue for Ezio winning a round in pure hand to hand combat. Like the first round, Edward has more experience, training and skill than Ezio based on feats. He's put assassins in sleeper holds and defeated the many (although nameless) pirates while unlocking taverns. What has Ezio done? Help the Thieves Guild combat their rival gang?

Intellect and parkour ability has little relevance here. Perhaps if we're talking about combat intellect, then I'd agree. However, not fully, Edward is no slouch in this department. He's taken out four legendary ships, each having to be defeated through various tactics and strategies. He's conquered the many forts in various weather terrain (hurricanes etc.). As for parkour/freerunning, Ezio was deemed a legend in the sport, but up against someone with likely skill and you can almost throw those feats out the window. Ezio is superior in built-up city areas, whereas Edward is superior in the jungle terrain.

Get into physicals and gear for all I care. Isn't going to tilt the scales by a very large factor, if tilt it at all. I just proved this isn't a stomp. Edward has just as much of a chance as Ezio at winning.

As for round 3, & is a HTML code behind "&". The OP mentions nothing about an amp from a DLC. So no, he doesn't solo. Altair is technologically outmatched (unless we're counting the Apple of Eden, which would be silly to include if the OP didn't intend a mismatch), so no, Altair isn't 'easily' combating them.

@ancient_0f_days said:

Ezio is better in every way than Eddy

Your point just collapsed. Have a nice day.

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Ezio is better in every way than Eddy

Doubtful.

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I think Edward can take the first two rounds and then Ezio and Edward win round 3.

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Edward Kenway gear:

Double Hidden Blades

Dual-wielded Swords (if you complete enough assassin missions, he acquires these gun-swords)

Four Flintlocks

Blowpipe with sleep darts and berserker darts

Mayan Armour

Smoke bombs

Rope darts

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I immediately thought of 22 Jump Street when I saw this thread.

Schmidt: Sir, can I just say, it is so refreshing to have a case with a black victim. I mean, we care so much more because she's black.

Jenko: I...I think what he's really trying to say is that we care equally. It's a tie really how much we care.

Schmidt: Um...no we're not. If it was a white person I wouldn't even care. One less cr%cker%ss cr%ckhe%d to worry about.

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@logy5000 said:

Bourne. (This is the oldest thread I've ever bumped.)

Unnecessary one at that seeing as Bourne stomps.

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Why would Edward defeat Shay ?

If it can be argued that he can defeat Altair, Ezio or Connor. I'm pretty sure he can beat Shay.