supersmith

For there to be a love triangle Diana has to want to be with Orion or have feelings for him. I frankly don't see it at all.I do see guy who is written with the depth of Guy Gardener and not very good characterization of the Dog of War. Disappointing actually.

He inappropriately touched the character gets her dna.(rolls eyes) Newsarama's interview with Azzarello, he admits did not let Diana slap Orion right away for it because he just wanted people talking. So the whole scene was weak anyway. Of course, Diana would/should have put him in his place. Orion could have gotten it from her back or shoulder but hey that's not sexist enough is it and what a great way to force tension...dickish behavior. But then I would have thought any woman would react like Diana so not sure what is so special or entertaining there. Being called Legs, smirked at, spoken down to, ass grabbing...Wonder Woman wants that? Secretly sort of digs that? I doubt it. Not the WW I have been reading or the empowered strong woman I am a fan of. But then I don't know what Azz is thinking. Maybe he thinks otherwise.

Orion and Wonder Woman are the least likely to work because end of the day Diana is a character whose mythology is not solely about Gods, god chasing or godly politics...but a young woman finding her place in our world and learning to live and adapt to it and be one of us even while protecting us. Azz's WW works as a single story after the dust settles here the character needs and will to get back to her super heroics. Orion is out. He's just here for high jinks. Clark and Steve are the only serious and worthy contenders for her affections.

As Superman is not even in this book why would he approve or disapprove? Also if Diana is dating a guy who she claims to care for why would she want anything with Orion romantically? She barely knows him and he's acting like a god's honest fool. That would seem very OOC for me and disappoint me if Azz takes this line because Diana is not someone who plays around as if matters of the the heart are games. I could see her feeling compassion for Orion (though he's making it hard for me to give a damn) but that's it. So if it is violence...unless she kills Orion...I don't see what Superman (who is very much aggressive in the new 52) would disapprove of.

And this is why I love the new 52 Superman. That art! Looking forward to Diggle/Daniel now!

I guess it will sell like hot cakes but I bought For Tomorrow and that was a load of crap. I have not bought anything written by Snyder to be honest and does he want to write New 52 Supes or is he going to give us his version of preachy old canon Superman who can't decide anything for himself? That version sucks. As for the Lois/Clark stuff color me uninterested. Come on, can we get something like how he's writing Supes personality or even some ideas on the villain? There's nothing about this really other than two big names.

Hmm, hearing Superman will not turn evil or give up on his own convictions makes me feel a little better. I hated the very idea he would do either of those things if he suffered a loss because other heroes (Martian Manhunter) lost more and never turned evil. I was and still iffy re the writing of WW my favorite female heroine. I hope she doesn't come across as some war monger who pushes Superman to oppress others. Even if she was raised a warrior and does the tough stuff, there is a reason why she is different from the other Amazons. I hope he can show that.

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@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

Who says I don't like them? I for one am willing to give them their chance. It's refreshing for one to see Superman not making lame excuses/lying to a love interest or wringing his hands to save her and all the typical troupes that go with hero/ civilian love interests.If I want to read the same thing over I'd go back to trades. You can't hate something that they are only just starting to explore. That's a blinkered way at looking at things and clearly you not a Superman fan too.

You know what could accomplish the same thing? Not writing a Superman/Lois dynamic that involves a lot of saving. But then, I guess it's more refreshing to read stories where Superman is in need of constant saving. Lois saved his life and the lives of Metropolis citizens twice in Superman so far during Perez's run. Meanwhile, the Justice League--even Lex Luthor--are apparently necessary at times to save Superman from Cheetah (Justice League #13), from Vulko (Justice League #15), and now from H'El.

I would suggest that just because someone doesn't embrace the Superman and Wonder Woman relationship in the same way you do, it doesn't make them not a Superman fan. A good number of people don't find the relationship interesting or appealing. To me, it has no poetry. The secret keeping, etc. of the Superman/Lois relationship may be familiar, but it's the kind of familiar that exists in all myths that are retold. It's the obstacle the protagonists overcome. Meanwhile, something really beautiful and profound is said about a relationship between a human and an alien. It replicates the courageous love and acceptance the human Kents provided to the alien Kal-El and about loving what's on the inside of a person and seeing people with differences as equals on the basis of what's in their heart only.

Clark takes up journalism because he likes a profession that he can't rely on his powers alone. It's a challenge. With Lois it's the same thing. He has to win her as Clark, which is challenge. It also takes the kind of guts that true love stories have in literature and myth, like Romeo & Juliet or Aragorn & Arwen, have. Love stories that move us because the lovers have to bravely face fears and who come from different worlds. That they overcome those differences to reconcile the thematic conflicts in their lives/narrative is what gives the love story its meaning and epic quality. So, I think the Lois/Clark relationship can still be retold in an innovative way (less damsel in distress) and still hold a great deal of interest and power as a story. The relationship still has loads of fans, and being featured again in Man of Steel is likely to produce even more of them.

Yeah that lovers from a different world thing is a real challenge, isn't it? Funny you should contradict yourself.

You see and Lois and Clark ala Aragorn and Arwen? Er, with all due respect? No. Not really.

@BR_Havoc:I understand what you are saying. I feel Johns has done a pretty good job with them in JL but still its kind of like seeing the head cheerleader date the star quarterback its hard to care.

batman fan eh.

@darkman61288 said:

@BE__ Havoc @ supersmith I don't like the "power couple" either. It just stupid. Both characters are all ready unrelatable this just makes it worst.

Who says I don't like them? I for one am willing to give them their chance. It's refreshing for one to see Superman not making lame excuses/lying to a love interest or wringing his hands to save her and all the typical troupes that go with hero/ civilian love interests.If I want to read the same thing over I'd go back to trades. You can't hate something that they are only just starting to explore. That's a blinkered way at looking at things and clearly you not a Superman fan too.

@BR_Havoc: You mean go down the over used route of just killing off the well meaning boyfriend who no writer cares to flesh out and is just canon fodder and will mean nothing to the narrative? It could be they plan that. Who knows with them. I wouldn't put it pass them to do the most obvious and cliched thing and not really write the sm/ww well at all. Just use it to add drama and undermine it. It's not a very nice thing to do to Diana's character though as she'll come off as the lame second choice. We were already in danger of Clark acting like a whiny kid over Lois' boyfriend last issue. They could have set him up with someone from his own cast . There was Lucy and Heather to choose from.

Enjoying the H'el crossover. Great to see the supers struggle intially to establish their relationships. Makes more sense.

Thank the lord for no juvenile love triangles.It does no favors to anyone. Let the sm/ww relationship breathe and want to see writers flesh out Lois' beau. He's a foreign correspondent reporter. Should have qualities to him to make Lois fall for him.