btw this site on the puffin browser is way too glitchy and I don’t have a computer yet so I did this all on phone

Sure,the site glitches made you think Jean Grey would user her 1 hour of prep to track down Loki (who wasn't even in the battle) for help and the site glitches made you think Tony Stark (who also, wasn't even in the battle) could make tech to counter a team he has never seen or heard of and knows absolutely nothing about... (Again, within that 1 hour of prep; which wasn't even prep anywhere)

Clearly, you're a low-key god tier debater with really bad luck. lmao

You could have proved everyone wrong about you in The Hulk vs Gladiator CaV, instead you got triggered and dropped it. If anything you're the one who tarnished your own reputation.

link?

@mylittlefascist:

He actually dropped it and someone else took his place using Blue Marvel.

now people are judging me based off of these three instances despite the fact that I have never lost a normal Cav and I don’t go around bragging about how much of a great debater I am as I think bragging is childish.

Lmao,have you actually won a CaV? Serious question btw.

No amount of the same old "I just came here to read the comments" gif's and memes would express what I'm thinking right now, but for the sake of it, here's a cute one:

I love how the discussion was about his poor formatting when there were far bigger issues with his post than formatting and lack of content...

Just another thing, if was just a normal CaV and not some sort of tourney, I don't think there's the need of rushing to post something because of college or any other personal motive. Most users here do understand such situations and don't have a problem in dragging a bit the time for a better reply or counter.

I'm having a CaV that might get carried on until next year, for example.

LMAO

"I-I-I was only pretending to be dumb!!!!! M..mu..muh reputation!!!!! I-I-I'm just a misunderstood debater pls believe!!!!!"

@thewatcherking: Yes

Then I was right, you're easily the best debater on the Vine. Don't let anyone tell you different.

Most of these comments are worth replying to.

@andromeda101: Very true

Ok...

There are better ones out there

Rest of the comments I have addressed .

But I have a question to all of you and that is have you ever thought about or bothered asking me why exactly I got triggered over?

So you're basically justifying the poor management of your posts -- which are the reason why your "reputation" dropped so drastically to begin with -- to some formatting issues and the universal plotting of "my circle jerk" crew?

At least take some responsibility on the garbage you post on the site. You can't possibly think you've done absolutely nothing to deserve your reputation to be as it is right now.

The reason why everyone jumped on you on "our" thread wasn't because you disagreed with me, but because you called me out, posted out of context cropped scans brought from quick google searches and to top it all, directly challenged me and claimed i was going to be destroyed yet you did absolutely nothing but instead, you got served. To be honest at this point i couldn't care less about reputation, specially since the site itself has dropped its quality on users, but i gotta ask you these:

Why didn't you care about my reputation back then? Didn't you know i was a seasoned debater (not that i debated you, i literally just pointed out flaws in your posts and that's it)? What exactly did you expect when you called me out and escalated things with me? You "knew" i was a Thor lowballer (not that calling him slow is lowballing per se) but that was the only thing you knew?

I mean, you don't have to respond but this is by far one of the saddest examples of rationalization i've ever seen in this site and i felt i needed to state as much.

Don't victimize yourself, just be better.

@ghostravage: This isnt going anywhere and apologies to anyone I have offended.

Made this out of anger and spite.

As for you I apologize to you for letting my emotions get the better of my judgement.

I could have adressed your arguements in a better way than the way I presented.

So again apologies to anyone I have offended

If you feel like I need deserve your respect let me know.

If you never change your opinion about me I understand

But at the very least understand a little bit where I am coming from all I ask thank you.

@deathhero61: What does that mean?

I have no problems with you

Heh, ok buddy, continue to believe whatever delusions you want to. Whatever helps you sleep at night

This has to be a joke.

Ahem . . . Z E R O F U C K S

Personal accountability is lost on this site.

You were a bad debater when you used to wank Hulk to high hell and you are a bad debater still because your posts, your formatting and your inability to distinguish lowballing/highballing with merely pointing out a characters abilities, the only difference between now and then is you changed teams. And i am not trying to be an asshole to you, but i honestly don't know how to say it else, you just aren't a good debater by any stretch of the imagination.

I mean you say ppl lowball Gladiator and your go to guys for this evidence are 2 known Gladiator fanboys... Congratulations you found the only 2 users who rate Gladiator to be on Hulk/Thor level and a third user who thinks he is above them and above Superman, but that users has been ridiculed so badly on this site i honestly am surprised he even shows his face after he got BTFO'd numerous times for blatantly lowballing Hulk going as far as to say DC mid-tiers could beat him.

And 4th one being Brony... i mean... this is self explanatory...

All in all, good company to keep.

Next thing you are gonna tell me is Whoisthebest thinks Thor is lowballed and THEONEWHOKNOWS thinks Superman is lowballed? Or maybe some random user named HULKFANBOY4LIFE thinks Hulk is lowballed?

I mean can you find a neutral party that thinks Hulk is wanked but Gladiator is lowballed? Someone who has no investment in either character? Cause i sure as hell haven't so far, the vast majority seems to think that Hulk > Gladiator, regardless of the fanbase.

Next time you make a post, THINK. Like actually critically think about things, THINK why 90% of the users share the views of what you call the "circlejerk" and why only a handful of users share the same opinion as you. Not to call into argumentum ad populum but this isn't exactly rocket science there is a reason why the vast majority of people understands why one character beats another.

I don't think you are a bad guy, but you are clearly misguided. Honestly at the end of the day if Hulk gets MURDERSTOMPED into the ground by a superior character thats fine but i know enough about Hulk and Gladiator to know that simply isn't happening. Not only has Gladiator lost to a weakened pre-core breach Hulk he has been directly compared to him several times and Hulk has ALWAYS come out on top... You on the other hand shot yourself in the foot when you arrogantly challenged this notion and the users and you got mocked for it. There is a reason why there's a ongoing Hulk vs Gladiator CAV with one of the users you mentioned that support Glad yet ironically that CAV has a Hulk that's restricted to only a certain incarnation/time period as well as giving Gladiator non-canon feats. So yea not even a Gladiator fanboy is confident enough in Gladiator taking out Hulk without some stipulation, but you thought you were gonna call out all of comicvine and not only prove them wrong but humiliate them? Yep, you reap what you sow.

Everyone has a little bit of bias in them, the point is to not let that bias control you to the extent where you become the next whoisthebest or theonewhoknows who solely because of their wanking earned the worst reputation on this site.

Anyway i can't and i wont tell you how to think, or which character to support, that's entirely your personal choice as is with everyone else. But i will advise you to look at some of the better debaters on this site, users with a long history and respect. Regardless what you think of him Ghost did not garner so much respect because he FANBOYED Hulk, he did so because he did a damn good job representing the character in various CAV's and debates. And if you learn from these users instead of just outright dismiss them you will actually improve.

Ahem. . . Language

@devilmaydare: Most of these comments other than a few were not worth responding to GRs and yours.

Please tell me what your defenition of a good debater is I really want to know that.

On to glads real quick

I really could care less if hellios lowballs the hulk so tell someone who does.

I would love for you to say what you think of them to their face because if your going to talk shit about someone do it to their face

As for Brony there is nothing self explanatory other than being a better debator than you ever wiill.

Majority of your posts are pro hulk and making claims that thor cant bust a planet when he has compared to hulk who has to be worldbreaker to do it.

If you want I can snapshot them for everyone to see to proof that point further.

You saying Im bad is very laughable when all you do is wank hulk,bitch and moan about thor fanboys and disprove of thor at every turn.

Sure glads lost but note that during that fight he used little speed other than a speedblitz and then almost kills him with heat vision. Lets have them fight morals off no PIS and see who wins that one.

My first thoughts of this site were that you shove your opinions down peoples throats and if people dont share said opinion their wrong. That has changed.As for wanking the hulk I admit I did that but I dont do that anymore so trying to use the past to justify me being a bad debater is utter bullshit. And if your an alt which I know you are I will take you even less seriously.

And saying that I dont think based off of one thread and discrediting the ones where I did again bullshit logic.

As for the formatting I have a freaking phone and the Puffin browser I use this site on glitches and In case you didnt know From 2017-now I have been in college and didnt have time for formating but knowing you and your demeaner you will just say Im making shit up and Im not a credible source.And to top that all off I dont have a computer.

As for glads being above Supes he is and I would cav that point in a heartbeat.

I could care less what that vast majority think as its their opinion no matter how many times you argue and debate it its your opinion who is stronger or who wins.

Hulk is a wanked characteron here and despite all the drama Im still a fan of his and have read him more than thor and own world war hulk.

Your entire post makes you come off as a asshole

Debating fictional characters and fancy formatting doesnt make you a great overall debater as in the real world a good debater is someone who treats the person who he is debating with respect,brings up good points and actually knows wtf he is talking about.No amount of hours of debating fictional characters and formatting changes that.

Sure your a great debater on here but overallt beyond this website depends on how well you know what your talking about.

And lets get to that reason why I left that cav.

I was getting trolled and berated so many times that I knew my anger would blind me and it doesnt help that battleaxe made fun of me for doing it on my phone.

The reason why I got triggered was your constant making fun of me and the fact that the cav a glorified bait thread for everyone to mock me more and more pisses me off.

You people dont bother asking why I get “triggered” no you mock and berate me and treat it like you own me every single time.

You dont give a actual flying f to ask me why I feel the way I do.

You just treat me like a dumbass fanboy who doesnt know shit and that pisses me off.

No one bothered to ask me why I made and just choose to mock and berate me instead of trying to understand me.

So go on and post something that isnt irrelevant.

Most of these comments other than a few were not worth responding to GRs and yours.

If that is what you really think than you will never improve.

Please tell me what your defenition of a good debater is I really want to know that.

Someone who can show as little bias as possible, has good formatting, raises good points sometimes never before seen points about the character and is good enough that others including those that debated against the person can acknowledge he is good.

I really could care less if hellios lowballs the hulk so tell someone who does.

So you care about it when Hulk fans lowball someone but don't care if the opposite happens? We are making good progress here.

I would love for you to say what you think of them to their face because if your going to talk shit about someone do it to their face

It's impossible to talk to them face to face but if you mean tag them than i have already said these things and worse to some of them, either way @apex_pretador@hellionvulcan @blakstaroblivion all 3 of them are biased fanboys, although apex has shown some improvement lately he isn't as over the top about Gladiator as he used to be, still not enough for me not to shake my head in disbelief at some of the things i've seen. I'd tag Brony as well but it doesn't matter since his acc is perma banned.

Anyway i am not sure why you think i wouldn't talk crap to someone directly or call others out, it's literally what i do most of the time. Do you think i have something to fear on here?

As for Brony there is nothing self explanatory other than being a better debator than you ever wiill.

The laughing stock of comicvine? The guy that watches My little pony in his 30's, thinks the Earth is flat and believes it's 6000 years old? Dude... you need to rethink a few things, just because someone was nice to you that doesn't mean they are a good debater and just because he wanks Thor and you love that since you wank him as well doesn't make him a good debater.

Majority of your posts are pro hulk and making claims that thor cant bust a planet when he has compared to hulk who has to be worldbreaker to do it.

Because i care about Hulk more than any other character and while most of my posts are pro Hulk because obviously i care about the threads where Hulk can win rather than those he can't, i still have quite a few were i said Hulk loses, in fact in the last couple of weeks half of my posts are about Hulk losing.

Here is the thing Thor, Savage Hulk, Superman can all bust a planet, none of them can one-shot it, which is the difference between them and WBH. And Thor has never busted a planet, he has destroyed a planetoid and cracked a Moon, even respected Thor debaters know this much.

If you want I can snapshot them for everyone to see to proof that point further.

I'd love for you to do so since i know exactly what you will post and it's something that's been debunked a million times before.

You saying Im bad is very laughable when all you do is wank hulk,bitch and moan about thor fanboys and disprove of thor at every turn.

Let say i am bad, so? 2 negatives do not make a positive. If i am a shit debater that doesn't take away from the fact that you are one as well. You could also point out to me what i wanked about the Hulk or how i disprove of Thor at every turn? I've gone on record a million times already saying Hulk and Thor fight can go either way, is that me disproving of Thor? Because i didn't say he stomps Hulk or something?

Sure glads lost but note that during that fight he used little speed other than a speedblitz and then almost kills him with heat vision. Lets have them fight morals off no PIS and see who wins that one.

That's because Gladiator has no real speed, the 3 speed feats that matter that he has in his 40 years of existence(2 of which are from a time displacement Gladiator who is not the same version as 616 Gladiator) are not enough for him to consistently be at that level in most fights. Hulk has some feats where he reacted to characters going at FTL speeds, you don't see anyone using those feats seriously. He almost killed him yes, but it's not that impressive considering that same Hulk got hurt by a random missile which caused him to bleed, got stabbed by a street sign and got hurt by a random T-rex biting him. Their fight was morals off and it had no PIS and Gladiator still lost to a weakened pre-core breach Hulk. How do you expect him to win against a non-weakend post core breach one?

My first thoughts of this site were that you shove your opinions down peoples throats and if people dont share said opinion their wrong. That has changed.As for wanking the hulk I admit I did that but I dont do that anymore so trying to use the past to justify me being a bad debater is utter bullshit. And if your an alt which I know you are I will take you even less seriously.

I don't shove my opinions down anyones throat and i have repeatedly said before that people can believe what they want, but they better be prepared to back those beliefs if they get called out. As i already explained the difference between than and now is you just switched the characters you wank, you used to wank Hulk, something changed and now you wank Thor and Gladiator for some reason. So you haven't actually improved you just switched teams as i already said. I couldn't care less how seriously you take me, being an alt or having little number of posts does not detract from the points being made, this is again more reasons why you aren't a good debater if you can't understand these things.

And saying that I dont think based off of one thread and discrediting the ones where I did again bullshit logic.

Can you point me to a good example of a thread you were involved in? Where you made cohesive points?

As for the formatting I have a freaking phone and the Puffin browser I use this site on glitches and In case you didnt know From 2017-now I have been in college and didnt have time for formating but knowing you and your demeaner you will just say Im making shit up and Im not a credible source.And to top that all off I dont have a computer.

Then why the hell do you challenge people to CAVs? If you only use a phone, have other things to focus on, etc... why do you challenge people to things that literally demand you have a computer and enough time to focus on it? Why do i need to explain to you that this is bad? I have a computer but i NEVER did CAV's precisely because i could never dedicate enough time to one and because i personally never thought i was good enough and knowledgeable enough about a character to do one. I have personally set the standard up so high for myself.

As for glads being above Supes he is and I would cav that point in a heartbeat.

You see, this is why me and others can't take you seriously... Superman is better than Glads in literally every way as well as way more consistent. And you'd lose every CAV horribly even with a computer and enough time to dedicate yourself to it. But the problem is you don't get this for some reason.

I could care less what that vast majority think as its their opinion no matter how many times you argue and debate it its your opinion who is stronger or who wins.

Why did you make this thread if you don't care about what others think? This thread directly refutes what you just said as it's all about you talking about what others think of you on this site lol. Obviously everything is an opinion, it's how you present that opinion that ultimately matters in the end.

Hulk is a wanked characteron here and despite all the drama Im still a fan of his and have read him more than thor and own world war hulk.

You would have to explain to me how Hulk is a wanked character here i really don't care about what you own or how much you read something, i called you out before on your Hulk wanking and i call you out on your Hulk lowballing.

Your entire post makes you come off as a asshole

It's possible it's probably because i don't know or care enough to put things nicely, i am usually more blunt and go straight to the point rather than beat around the bush. I do tell you i don't want to be an asshole or sound mean to you but unfortunately i do come off like that when i try to be blunt about things.

Debating fictional characters and fancy formatting doesnt make you a great overall debater as in the real world a good debater is someone who treats the person who he is debating with respect,brings up good points and actually knows wtf he is talking about.No amount of hours of debating fictional characters and formatting changes that.

That's not true, being a good debater doesn't mean you need to respect someone, respect is EARNED, not given freely. Being nice to someone just means you are a nice civil person, nothing else it doesn't add or take away from the points you are making, they stand on their own. One of my favorite people Christopher Hitchens, was often very rude and brazen to his opponents or the audience, those things never took away from the points he made, he was still known as one of the best political debaters on the planet.

Sure your a great debater on here but overallt beyond this website depends on how well you know what your talking about.

You just called me a shit debater a minute ago... Anyway no i don't consider myself a great debater i know my limitations and i don't try to oversell myself as something more than what i am.

I was getting trolled and berated so many times that I knew my anger would blind me and it doesnt help that battleaxe made fun of me for doing it on my phone.

I still don't understand why you would agree to do a CAV on your phone... I am gonna tell you this with 100% certainty, if you CAV on your phone you will lose EVERY SINGLE TIME. Unless your opponent as well does not have a computer, but if he does even if he is a worse debater than you he will crush you since in a CAV all that matters is how well you present your point. That's why in CAV's character that are weaker can win against stronger ones depending on the debaters. For instance Lvenger and Ghostravage won a CAV with Superman and Hulk vs Goku and Sentry. I think Sentry is slightly above either and Goku is well above them as well but they still won anyways and it was the most viewed CAV in comicvine history.

The reason why I got triggered was your constant making fun of me and the fact that the cav a glorified bait thread for everyone to mock me more and more pisses me off.

Did i make fun of you? I don't remember honestly, but if i did it has to do with the fact that you try to CAV on your phone, which i would not blame anyone for making fun of me if i tried to do the same.

You people dont bother asking why I get “triggered” no you mock and berate me and treat it like you own me every single time.

What do you want me to do? Be your personal therapist on this site? You know maybe i would have more sympathy for you if i didn't actually see you going around gloating and making fun of Hulk fans for MCU Hulks appearance in the last movie, going around talking about how salty they are, etc... You know who didn't go into Thor forums and gloat about Thor being treated like crap by Aaron or how Immortal Hulk shrugged off both Thor and Herc or how Amadeus Cho beat Odinson twice by now, Hulk fans. In fact if you look at my posts i actually called out how what Amadeus did was disrespectful to Thor and that Greg Pak disrespected the character.

You dont give a actual flying f to ask me why I feel the way I do.

Why do you feel the way you do?

You just treat me like a dumbass fanboy who doesnt know shit and that pisses me off.

Change my mind. There are plenty of people who i disagree with on this, who dislike the Hulk, etc.. and i still know they are great debaters. As well there are Hulk fans who are pretty bad debaters 20damon and greenscar1990 for example.

No one bothered to ask me why I made and just choose to mock and berate me instead of trying to understand me.

Dude i keep telling you, nobody has any obligation to you. This is the internet we are all random anonymous users, do you expect people to treat you with kid gloves all the time? If you want people to treat you different you need to start by changing yourself not changing them since that is impossible, when you garner enough respect improve yourself, you will automatically get the respect you deserve.

For instance while i think Brony wasn't THAT bad with his debates his formatting was at least really good, his biggest downfall was that nobody could take him seriously after the things he said about himself. I mean how can you trust someones opinion on fictional characters when their real world view is cartoonish.

At the same time battle123axe actually started off like you, he had horrible almost non-existent formatting, his points were off and his knowledge on the character was lackluster but over the time he improved on all of that. So today he can do CAV's without problem and make respect threads and nobody laughs at him when he does it.

So go on and post something that isnt irrelevant.

Too late, unfortunately i found early on that this whole talk of ours is irrelevant, you can't pour into a glass that's already full.

I ask you to think about the things being said here, not just dismiss them as who cares what the f-ing asshole thinks, they are just jerks or whatever. I do not ask you to wank Hulk or stop liking Thor or whatever, in fact i am glad you stopped wanking Hulk, thats good. Just think about why some people mocked you or made fun of some things rather than dismissing it all as just them being assholes. If you do and you actually see the problem in yourself you will improve here if you work on your improvement.

@devilmaydare: A biased person labeling others and me biased

@devilmaydare: So your basing your entire post on why I am a bad debater based off of three threads. Ok at this point I really shouldnt care what you think and I dont need to improve like at all.

Another thing you think a weak arguement beats a strong one if if it has better formatting. Sure whatever you thiink.

I apologize for the harshness of that post

But as for lowballing the hulk tell me why I should care?

I never said that I agreed with him.

As for talking about them being bias its because you think they are and its not backed up by any legit facts.

WBH has never destroyed a planet on his own,Superman is moon level and

Thor is the only one here who did it by himself

You misunderstand I said he stomps if using all of his powers and not holding back

We are done if you think hulk can react to ftl speeds as that is laughable

Superman being better in everyway is your opinion. So not taking me seriously over a opinion is a moot point.

Rest of your points arr irrelavant and bias

Dont bother responding as I dont care what you think and I will ignore you

@hellionvulcan: Umm yea, that was my point we are a group of biased individuals, luckily some of us can control those levels of bias, others are unlucky, sorry.

Hahahaha you and others don't control it in the slightest but that's the type of nonsense hypocrites say.

I do actually, i mean you can't even point out what is bias about anything i said about certain characters.

@supergoku17 said:

Ummm.. No. I do not even know where you got that, when did i mention 3 threads even? I clearly told you i know you from back in your Hulk wanking days which is from over a year back, so i've seen you in way more than 3 threads my dude.

Not necessarily but it helps a lot, a good presentation can obfuscate a lack of argument and sway peoples opinion, i've seen it happen although formatting by itself shouldn't be a deciding factor.

There is no need to apologize.

Well you really should if you want to be a good debater, not just about Hulk lowballing but with every other character and also highballing.

Ok.

Both Apex and Hellion think Gladiator is a lot faster than he really is while there are over a dozen examples to prove that wrong, they also deny(especially Hellion) on panel evidence of certain things. Again Apex is not as bad in this as he has for instance admitted that Immortal Hulk was fairly impressive and is probably slightly above your regular Hulk/Thor characters, Hellion on the other hand called him completely unimpressive even though he would salivate if he saw Gladiator replicate any of his feats i mean i still remember him getting super excited about Gladiator blitzing through multiple galaxies into Heimdall only to result in the blitz not even taking out someone who is a mid-tier. Blackstar as i told you has stated mid-tiers could beat Hulk before.

WBH has destroyed a planet as a result from his and RSH clash, the planet being destroyed was collateral damage they didn't even physically interact with the planet itself

Thor has NEVER destroyed a planet, in his fight with BRB he busted a small planetoid when he hit BRB and both of them where physically connected to the planetoid, in his fight with Gorr he cracked a nearby Moon which is similar to WBH's feat but only much less impressive since we are talking about a Moon and it was only cracked from one-side after repeated blows from Thor while WBH and RSH busted the whole thing in a single clash.

There are 4, thanks to Cho Hulk, 5 instances where Thor was not holding back against Hulk, was willing to use everything he had against him and he still did not stomp him, most of the instances ended in draws except for the Chulk one where it was Chulk who stomped Thor although i am not particularly fond of that instance.

I don't think you read what i said since i obviously said he can't react to FTL and nobody belies it seriously, despite the fact that it did happen in the comics, that's my entire point. For me to take a characters feat seriously the feat needs to be repeated multiple times similarly and the character must have as few of a shortcomings regarding it as possible. So Gladiator having one nanosecond feat while he failed to react to dozens of street level characters, mid-tiers and slow bricks/powerhouses does not make him nanosecond. Take for instance Immortal Hulk showing the ability to drain other characters by placing his hand on them which is similar to what Surfer/Red Hulk do, now i don't take that feat seriously and i don't assume Hulk can go around now draining characters unless i see that feat repeated multiple times and established properly.

I mean it's not just an opinion i've compared the 2 characters feats and Superman does come on top. I don't see what Gladiator does better apart from 1 time he 3-shot a dead planetoid which is a feat he never came anywhere close to replicating ever again.

How are they irrelevant and bias? Point out to me the bias.

You are very weird you know that? I don't say this to be rude but in such a short post you managed to go on a emotional roller coaster ride, it's very bizzare like a person with bipolar or something.

Again try to take at least some of the advice i gave you i honestly want you to be better and improve. I don't want another whoisthebest or theonewhoknows and that honestly seems the direction you are taking.

You tagged three users and called us bias with zero proof of such and now you want me to point out some as you can look into any Hulk thread vs Zeus/Thanos etc where people think Hulk would win, Stop with the nonsense as you and the Hulk scouts are the worst biased group on this site.

I actually did point out to the other guy, your wanking of Gladiators non-existent speed, your wanking of Apoc non-existent abilities and power level, same with Iceman, though i personally believe Iceman is very powerful as well you somehow unsurprisingly manage to even ruin that by overwanking him as well. The icing on the cake was probably when you called Immortal Hulk unimpressive LMAO. Of course there are some idiots that think Hulk can beat Zeus/Thanos, there are always idiots like that, i don't know what that has to do with me since i never advocated for such things nor can i control what others say. How so? What have i advocated that Hulk can do that he can't do or hasn't already done? That's actually a flat out lie and you know it, when some of the worst users on this site like whoisthebest, brony were Thor fanboys and theonewhoknows was a Superman fanboy, there a bunch of others that have fanboyed certain characters so hard they literally turned into a meme famous even outside the battle forums. Yet you can't actually point to a single Hulk fanboy that has done anything close to what those users did. GhostRavage, TheDailyBagle, AcidSkull, Battle123axe, are all very knowledgable and i don't remember them ever wanking Hulk doing things he can't do or do you wanna point out to a specific time they did? Maybe you have some other user in mind?

Gladiator's non-existent speed feats despite having on panel feats well above Hulk and every other slow character in comics combined, I fan wanked Iceman by his on panel feats because he operates consistently above Hulk and others tirelessly so your problem should be with comic writers not me hahahaha. Immortal Hulk couldn't harm nor kill Wonder Man and could barely take down a c-list group of characters along with a wounded Rulk so he lacks feats to say he is impressive in any way. The world breaking feat all those users fan wanked despite it killing Hulk in the process;they state world breaker can do it consistently despite never doing it again so yes they're extremely biased and i'd tie them in with Storm fanboys.

You mean those sparsely shown feats once every couple of decades? To contrast the dozens of times he had all the opportunity in the world to show them but never did and failed to showcase his faster than numerous street level characters, mid-tiers, slow bricks and powerhouses. Not to mention the fact that half of those less than handful of a feats don't even belong to 616 Gladiator. Your inability to come to terms with this fact is why you are such a fanboy. Actually that's flat out false as Iceman only operates on a higher level when he is morals off or in a very dire situation, this is why your normal Iceman doesn't appear that impressive. My problem is not with the writers, my problem is with you twisting their intent and wanking their characters. He couldn't harm WM? Then whats this blood coming out of his mouth?

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Or the fact that script for the issue itself confirming that WM was in agony.

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I know you are butthurt and jealous of them but there is no reason to deny reality it just hurts you further. Also you are really silly if you think they are gonna have Hulk just outright kill WM there, they barely ever show heroes killing villains let alone each other, don't be ridiculous.

Umm where was it shown that he was BARELY able to take down a group of C-list characters? He went through all of them with little to no effort at all, nearly one-shotting all including 2 characters that Gladiator struggled against in the past, which is icing on the cake. Rulk wasn't wounded he had heart problems which he had always because those heart problems limit how long he can stay as Rulk, he still got mangled by Hulk and failed to actually really harm him in turn. Damn i've never seen this level of denial. I mean you just flat out stated several lies, this is actually quite amusing.

The world blowing up is not what killed Hulk, it was him fighting an equally powerful being that killed him. There was never a WBH after that so how can we see him doing it again? Storm fanboys? LMAO, this level of salt is amazing.

How does it feel like even in wonderland?

@devilmaydare said:

You mean those sparsely shown feats once every couple of decades? To contrast the dozens of times he had all the opportunity in the world to show them but never did and failed to showcase his faster than numerous street level characters, mid-tiers, slow bricks and powerhouses. Not to mention the fact that half of those less than handful of a feats don't even belong to 616 Gladiator. Your inability to come to terms with this fact is why you are such a fanboy. Actually that's flat out false as Iceman only operates on a higher level when he is morals off or in a very dire situation, this is why your normal Iceman doesn't appear that impressive. My problem is not with the writers, my problem is with you twisting their intent and wanking their characters. He couldn't harm WM? Then whats this blood coming out of his mouth?

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Or the fact that script for the issue itself confirming that WM was in agony.

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I know you are butthurt and jealous of them but there is no reason to deny reality it just hurts you further. Also you are really silly if you think they are gonna have Hulk just outright kill WM there, they barely ever show heroes killing villains let alone each other, don't be ridiculous.

Umm where was it shown that he was BARELY able to take down a group of C-list characters? He went through all of them with little to no effort at all, nearly one-shotting all including 2 characters that Gladiator struggled against in the past, which is icing on the cake. Rulk wasn't wounded he had heart problems which he had always because those heart problems limit how long he can stay as Rulk, he still got mangled by Hulk and failed to actually really harm him in turn. Damn i've never seen this level of denial. I mean you just flat out stated several lies, this is actually quite amusing.

The world blowing up is not what killed Hulk, it was him fighting an equally powerful being that killed him. There was never a WBH after that so how can we see him doing it again? Storm fanboys? LMAO, this level of salt is amazing.

How does it feel like even in wonderland?

Wow Immortal Hulk gave Wonder Man a little cut on his lip, man that's a huge feat that'll one shot everyone; said by no one ever and the script means nothing as we go by what happens on panel and Wonder Man was fine. Gladiator has moved faster than the Hulk and plenty of others consistently and that's solely going by 616 feats and Iceman normally operates above Hulk as it's why Hulk scouts can't describe a single way Hulk could ever beat Iceman but we Iceman fans can state numerous ways otherwise hahahaha. Lets see Herc is no where close to his previous levels and Jane Thor was no where near her level during her fight with Mangog etc as it's why many agreed Jane Force Thor would defeat Hulk since Aaron wrote her above Thor Hulk etc during her arc.

Gladiator never struggled with Cannonball either as he came looking for help and was holding back until the end when Cannonball did a one time feat and redirected Gladiator's world killing punch back upon him, which didn't keep him down nor wound him, The living lighting feat again is suspicious and by that point Gladiator had went through Wonder Man (Immortal Hulk couldn't) and was defeating Thor with his combat speed until he was attacked by a third party, yea he really struggled when you low ball and take it out of context like the Hulk scouts usually do.

I said Rulk was wounded beforehand which he was as it's why he needed the patriot armor so how did i lie as that's what happened on panel by showing how weak Rulk was in the previous issue. Immortal Hulk beating down a weakened Rulk is not impressive at all and to state as such is ridiculous considering Iceman beat down a healthy Rulk while holding back.

@hellionvulcan said:

@devilmaydare said:

You mean those sparsely shown feats once every couple of decades? To contrast the dozens of times he had all the opportunity in the world to show them but never did and failed to showcase his faster than numerous street level characters, mid-tiers, slow bricks and powerhouses. Not to mention the fact that half of those less than handful of a feats don't even belong to 616 Gladiator. Your inability to come to terms with this fact is why you are such a fanboy. Actually that's flat out false as Iceman only operates on a higher level when he is morals off or in a very dire situation, this is why your normal Iceman doesn't appear that impressive. My problem is not with the writers, my problem is with you twisting their intent and wanking their characters. He couldn't harm WM? Then whats this blood coming out of his mouth?

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Or the fact that script for the issue itself confirming that WM was in agony.

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I know you are butthurt and jealous of them but there is no reason to deny reality it just hurts you further. Also you are really silly if you think they are gonna have Hulk just outright kill WM there, they barely ever show heroes killing villains let alone each other, don't be ridiculous.

Umm where was it shown that he was BARELY able to take down a group of C-list characters? He went through all of them with little to no effort at all, nearly one-shotting all including 2 characters that Gladiator struggled against in the past, which is icing on the cake. Rulk wasn't wounded he had heart problems which he had always because those heart problems limit how long he can stay as Rulk, he still got mangled by Hulk and failed to actually really harm him in turn. Damn i've never seen this level of denial. I mean you just flat out stated several lies, this is actually quite amusing.

The world blowing up is not what killed Hulk, it was him fighting an equally powerful being that killed him. There was never a WBH after that so how can we see him doing it again? Storm fanboys? LMAO, this level of salt is amazing.

How does it feel like even in wonderland?

Wow Immortal Hulk gave Wonder Man a little cut on his lip, man that's a huge feat that'll one shot everyone; said by no one ever and the script means nothing as we go by what happens on panel and Wonder Man was fine. Gladiator has moved faster than the Hulk and plenty of others consistently and that's solely going by 616 feats and Iceman normally operates above Hulk as it's why Hulk scouts can't describe a single way Hulk could ever beat Iceman but we Iceman fans can state numerous ways otherwise hahahaha. Lets see Herc is no where close to his previous levels and Jane Thor was no where near her level during her fight with Mangog etc as it's why many agreed Jane Force Thor would defeat Hulk since Aaron wrote her above Thor Hulk etc during her arc.

Gladiator never struggled with Cannonball either as he came looking for help and was holding back until the end when Cannonball did a one time feat and redirected Gladiator's world killing punch back upon him, which didn't keep him down nor wound him, The living lighting feat again is suspicious and by that point Gladiator had went through Wonder Man (Immortal Hulk couldn't) and was defeating Thor with his combat speed until he was attacked by a third party, yea he really struggled when you low ball and take it out of context like the Hulk scouts usually do.

I said Rulk was wounded beforehand which he was as it's why he needed the patriot armor so how did i lie as that's what happened on panel by showing how weak Rulk was in the previous issue. Immortal Hulk beating down a weakened Rulk is not impressive at all and to state as such is ridiculous considering Iceman beat down a healthy Rulk while holding back.

Didn't you say he didn't even hurt him? He gave him way more than a cut on his lip though. But please try to downplay it as much as possible. Script actually means everything as it's what the artist is given before he draws the page, it's what the writer intended to be on the page itself and WM is in agony and it's shown in the panel itself when Hulk is twisting him and he keeps vomiting blood and struggling to say his words. Gladiator has moved faster than Hulk because he has far better travel speed, his combat speed is virtually non-existent and is nothing else but simple outlier. Iceman doesn't normally operate above mid-tier level, you see him in X-men groups fighting single target threats and not doing any better than the rest, it's when he goes off the deep end that he actually accomplishes something. Of course Hulk can't beat Iceman all he would do is smash him and Iceman would reform, who even tried to argue otherwise? You are trying to build a strawman and it's not working and besides Iceman can't put down Hulk either lol. Herc is on the level he always was, as his powers have been restored as was confirmed and Jane is exactly the same character as the one that fought Mangog, i dunno what's so even impressive about Jane fighting Mangog, she fought one of the weakest version of the character and still lost until she decided to sacrifice Mljonir and BFR him. Again you are fishing for excuses trying to downplay what Hulk did and it's not working. Who are those many? Show me a thread where majority of people sided with Jane over Hulk? I don't remember any such threads and it would be weird especially after the fact that Hulk tanked 2 of her lightning enhanced Mljonir strikes with no damage and not even budging while simultaneously shrugging her off and overpowering her when she had the help of Hercules and when Rogue was trying to drain him.

Yes he did, he struggled a lot actually and your excuse of "Gladiator holds back" doesn't work because regardless someone of Gladiators position(or at least the way you wank him) should have no problems dealing with someone like Canonball, but he failed. Gladiator was perfectly fine after his fight with WM and he wasn't really injured fighting Eric Masterson either up until that point, in fact he was standing above him confidently and triumphantly until Thor used LL to stun him, so you can't use that excuse for Gladiator of fighting some people previously while Hulk took everything and didn't even feel a thing and he also fought characters before and after that as well and still nothing stopped him. So what's the context exactly? I mean you whine about non-existant context here, but failed to mention how many people Hulk went through before he got to WM, Thor, Herc, Rogue and still dealt with all of them, unlike Gladiator.

Yes you did and you do it again, Rulk was NOT wounded beforehand, what are you talking about? Did you read the comic? He needed the patriot armor because it's explained to you in the very comic, when Toni tells him not even on his best day can he take on the Hulk so they devise a strategy to give him an amp. And again he was not wounded by anything, he has heart problems which he had since day 1 of him being Hulk, those heart problems are what shorten his transformation limit, which is what they were afraid of would happen against Hulk. Rulk didn't even appear in the previous issue? What are you talking about, he appeared 4 issues before that and was shown to have his transformation cut short and no longer lasting about an hours as previously, you have yet to show me where it was shown that he was actually weaker, as in physically weaker than he was previously outside just his transformations being cut short which are irrelevant as Hulk beat him to a bloody pulp before his transformation ended. It's the sum of whole things that's impressive, by itself it obviously isn't. I mean Hulk already beat an amped Loebforce Rulk, so i am not calling that by itself impressive. The reason the whole thing is impressive. is because, Hulk went through several mid-tiers and high-tiers showing little to no effort in dispatching them all, the fact that you downplay this whole thing is hilarious to me when you are the same guy that got overly excited when Gladiator blitzed across multiple galaxies into Heimdall and couldn't even take him out with that blitz but had to have a bloody battle with him to eventually defeat him, a single mid-tier and that was impressive to you but Hulk doing all that he did isn't. Yep you are way too predictable.

So to rundown the list of lies.

You said Hulk couldn't harm WM, false he bloodied him for 3 pages, was bending him in agony and almost popped his head.

You said he could barely beat C-list characters, false, he literally one-shot them all while taking no damage from any of them.

You said Rulk was weakened, false as Rulk already had a heart condition that didn't allow him to transform for more than an hour, Hydra screwed with his plug-in which made his transformations shorter.

You said Jane and Herc are not as strong as they previously were, false as his powers were completely restored as proven here

And Jane did nothing in her fight with Mangog that suggests she didn't do here, outside of BFRing him into the Sun which destroyed Mljonir for some reason.

Yea you said a lot of things that are false and you blatant and obvious jealousy over Hulk is seeping through every post you make, It's so easy for you to not be that obvious either as all you had to do is say, yea he was impressive but i was hoping for more or something like that and just move on because nobody is forcing you to admit your fav character loses to Hulk now, but nah thinking isn't your strong suit and you just fumbled.

I mean i might even agree with you if Hulk fought only a couple of people and struggled but from the start he was breaking bones, teeth, nose, hands, heads, causing everyone to bleed, overpowering them physically even when multiple of them tried to hold him down, resisting draining from someone who has drained virtually everyone she came into contact before, etc... doing all this while showing no actual damage done to himself and showing no real effort in doing any of this is actually really impressive. I literally can't imagine Gladiator even doing half of these things.

The day that Hulk going through literally 11(i repeat ELEVEN, count them yourself) different characters ranging from mid tiers to high tiers and tossing them all aside is not impressive but Gladiator blitzing into 1 mid-tier and not even taking him out only to have a fight with him were he comes out victorious in the end but bleeding and torn up is, is the day that i sit back and just laugh all day long at how petty some people have become.

Tell me if you wanna continue this talk some, it's going so well for you so far :)

Lol

Alright, seriously. Why you guys are mocking him in every thread? Because he commented out of context feats and said word ''destroy''? This is new level of bullshit. Nobody's perfect and everyone makes mistakes. Be friendly and peaceful. Also you - @supergoku17 , stop crying and prove your claims with actions.

@cryomodeste: Way too late to tell me that as I have a different mindset now.

aren't you the guy that got butthurt because everyone said you're a bad debater?

Rich coming from you.And your a terrible debater yourself.Like really bad.Doesnt help that your known as a troll on dragonball forums either.No one asked for your opinion.

@supergoku17:

*you're. I gave my opinion because I want to.

Dragon ball sucks. Am I supposed to be offended that some fanboys called me a troll?

Whatever grammar nazi.But no one asked for your opinion.

Then why feel the need to troll on their forums then?

@supergoku17: I didn't troll them kid. No one asked you to type a blog either.