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@xlab3000 said:

really people think Toph can beat Gaara

Base on her feats, power set, and skill? Yes she absolutely can.

No, she absolutely cannot. Gaara is just too strong. Here are some misunderstandings that I can see:

Toph can turn sand to rock

Yea, good job! There is one instance in which she makes a small place in which she can stand. From this she cannot 'see' bandits ten feet away, and Appa gets taken away due to it. Than can so stop Gaara from creating a desert in a couple minutes :)

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After a few tries Toph was accurately hitting these "FLYING" targets.

Yes... with aang telling her where they were. Just because she can hit them doesn't mean she can tell where they are.

Toph has Manipulated City Size Stone Walls, a huge Castle from Sinking in Sand, A Mountain side turned flat, and made a tidal wave of Earth. The mass and size of her bending is sickening.

Gaara has fought Madara Uchiha, is the Kazekage, and has proven he is capable of saving an entire village from attack by Akatsuki. He is a top tier Naruto character. That is no small feat. Neither is manipulating entire deserts, creating deserts, and blocking attacks from one of the most powerful ninjas of all time, who reshaped the landscape of a continent in a single fight (with just power, nothing to do with controlling earth). Meanwhile, Toph hasn't used this 'sickening' level of bending in a real fight, correct me if I'm wrong.

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#2  Edited By SuperDrummer

Im going to have to go with Goku. He was trained nearly from birth by Gohan (A martial arts master), Roshi (A martial arts master with centuries of experience), Korin (Cat? Trained Roshi though) Popo (a genie... thing... that showed incredible martial arts talent), and King Kai (A 'god'... Kinda.). His heritage puts him ahead of humans by sheer 'I'm the author and my character is the best'. Saiyans are better. Its simple fact. Its like trying to outrun a racing dog in a mile. Not going to happen.

One notable thing in my eyes though is that his martial arts capabilities is his ONLY ability, although they get amplified again by his heritage. Ki is related to martial arts in every respect, there is a reason that (Until Trunks and Goten but I'm not sure what even happened there...) every opponent is either an alien with a natural affinity for ki or a martial artist. Batman has money, Cap has genetic superiority, Goku has just done his training and is simply bred to kill whats in front of him.

DBZ also takes place over a lifetime, during which he constantly trains and improves. He has the experience to back up everything.

The reason that I'm not going with the others:
Vegeta: Although he also has the saiyan 'I win' status, on an even playing field I think his childhood spent committing Genocides across the galaxy probably prevented him from learning the same amount of technique as Goku.
Batman/Cap: Although they are master fighters, they are not only human (Sorry, but inferior to saiyans in combat), but they have a much less specialized training. Batman had to learn stealth, run his company, and keep up appearances. Cap had to, oh, I don't know, fight a war or two. Not that much spare time compared to Goku who really just trained his ass off for years until something else that would only make him even better came around.Naruto: Lets face it, he's been relying on his chakera solely his entire fighting career. Neji/lee would be better.
Spider-man/Daredevil: I feel without spider-senses/super-hearing they wouldn't really be up to the challenge posed here.
Shiva/Richard: I have no idea who they are, so I won't deny that they may very well beat Goku blindfolded :P

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Raditz's only feats are fighting and busting a mountain, which is done in naruto. I don't see how he is too strong.

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Raditz - DBZ

Silver - Sonic

Black*Star - Soul Eater

Killer B - Naruto

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#5  Edited By SuperDrummer

I feel like this has drawn away from the original question. The way I see it the dragon-born has the following strengths:
-Very high durability
-Excellent fighting ability
-Diverse shouts and magic
-High physical strength
-Incredible magical resistance
-A certain knack for killing dragons

However, He has the following weaknesses:
-Once his durability is surpassed, its surpassed (Exploitable by high power characters like Thor)
-Very reliant on equipment (Exploitable by characters who have high levels of control over inanimate objects like Magneto)
-Shouts are a language, and therefore relies on pitches and frequencies, and therefore cannot be produced faster than sound waves, or else the positive and negative interference with the different sounds would make it all one jumble of noise that won't be a language. (Exploitable by any bullet-timer (Bullets are faster than mach 1))
-Magic has definite limits, everyone with the same perks who uses a fireball spell will do X damage. (Exploitable by anyone with reasonable durability)

Any characters who can overcome the former in one way or another while being able to take advantage of one or two of the later will most likely be able to pull a victory. Therefore the most powerful character the dragonborn can beat is most likely a extremely powerful wizard or dragon.

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#7  Edited By SuperDrummer

@kingjames447

You know, it would be very easy to argue for batman, and considering I'm on the fence it wouldn't take much information I don't know to convince me. Simply saying he wins does nothing and is just a waste of your time, and it wastes my time reading it.

Give 3 good reasons, and if I cannot counter all of them, I will most likely admit he would. I'm not trying to troll, I honestly want to hear your response.

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@kingjames447

I apologize for not being able to actually reply, but I am still a new user and I have reached my limit.

I am a super featherweight by nature, and could be featherweight in about a week. And I have never actually seen the anime, only read the manga, which went multiple times as long. Batman is monstrous, but Ippo is far from normal as well. However, I in no way claim building flattening level punches.

@jokergeist Oh, my bad on both accounts!

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@jokergeist I admit Ippo has a VERY good chance of loosing, but I don't think it is as one sided as that.

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At 2:50, Ippo arm wrestles the fully grown, bear slaying, 3 time world champion from over six weight classes above him to a standstill. I was aware of the difference, but Ippo has shown to be more than capable of overcoming weight differences.

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I've been wondering this for a while, considering I've read all of Hajime no Ippo. We all know Batman is a monster at close range combat, but how well would he fair against a trained, peak (or slightly above) human boxer in his element?
Rules:
Standard rules of boxing applied

Batman gets no physically enhancing equipment.

Both sides get 4 month prep time.

Both sides are in top mental condition.

Both are in physical prime.

And we all know batman is more popular, and he would win in a fight in his domain... or really any other situation. But this is about this one.

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#10  Edited By SuperDrummer

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Ok, I'll be the first to admit that I never took a physics course, but I have done some private research.

Terminal Velocity for a human (Close enough to a nord to be applicable I believe) is 120mph. Now convert that to m/s, thats about 54 m/s. The dragon born carries about 900lbs of equipment I think, correct me if I am wrong, so if we add in the fact that he is a large man, lets be generous and say he is 1300lbs. Convert that to Killograms, and round up (He is the dragonborn after all) and make him 600 killograms (1322.7735731lbs). I think that is is safe to assume that you would stop in say... .05 seconds upon hitting the ground. In this case, that would make 648,000 NEWTONS (Sorry, big pet peeve of mine. Newtons are the unit for force, and Joules are work). That is 145,676.19563lbs (<--EDIT forgot units for this number the first time), but lets round everything up because he is the dragonborn. 150,000lbs, or 75 tons. I'm pretty sure you were wearing armor when you jumped off, so that is actually automatically included in the equation. I would love a video, that way we can compare the % of health lost to the the the newtons, and than to the amount of force Thor can produce (Effortlessly 8,896,443,200 Newtons, 1,650,290,214 if blocked). But I think we know how that will play out, if that fall did two damage, a blocked attack would do over two and a half thousand.

I am trying to be fair, and I'm not trying to be a fanboy (I've never even read a comic in all honesty, I don't like the art style, it kinda hurts my eyes. Kinda a problem when Spider-man is my favorite super hero and everything.), and I'm not trying to up or downplay either side. I honestly don't see the Dragonborn taking a hit from Thor. Well, one hit. But there won't be much left to hit after that.