@shepardoakenprime: Honestly, they're not worth engaging or getting worked up over, and if some are trying to make a case that we're the problem it's probably best not to waste your time with them either. This has been going on for many years now, and it's really nothing new. There are people here so pressed about Storm, her feats and her fans that speak up, that they would actually take the time to make sock accounts just to drop racial attacks against the character. Anyone that motivated to do something like this IS the problem and should not be allowed to participate in these public forums. These are fictional characters and there is no excuse for this type of behavior.
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@storm_calling: Nothing shows that WW goes down first. Any attack that puts WW down can put down Storm. Storm can be struck with metal, pushed through walls, wrapped in metal, her polarity reversed, tornado in her stomach etc. WW is a threat and Magneto is not some one trick pony. His track record Against Storm can't be disputed.
I've already given you examples for why Storm outclasses WW and you couldn't dispute them. Pretending I didn't only further prove you're being unreasonable. She can blind him and render him powerless against her.
Storm isn't a one trick pony either. Magneto's track recond against Storm hasn't been impressive for the last 2 decades. Again, he hasn't beaten Storm in any of their present encounters. Your examples no longer hold any weight to them since we know Storm is a far more powerful and experienced fighter. Again, she doesn't need to prove that she can beat him. She only needs to stalemate him in a fight long enough to gank him in this battle with Dr. Polaris. None of this can be disputed because they're facts.
@storm_calling: And even in recent showings she still has NEVER beaten him.
Still, I'm not saying he stomps her or defeats her easily. But if they fight one on one with no restrictions... I think he wins the majority.
This fight isn't a one on one. Magneto can't use internal attacks. Magneto can't bring her down with her own lightning. 99% of the ways he beat her doesn't apply here. WW is outclassed so he is likely to go down first, leaving Storm and Dr. Polaris to team up. Most of your examples are old. Storm can use her powers through his shield, and she's face him one on one in a fight without losing. These are the facts, and they can't be disputed.
No. That was not the question. No one said she couldn't affect him inside his shield.
No again. I said she can't disperse his shield against his will. Meaning she is not over powering him. It's not about will power. It's about can she over power his control over his shield.
She punched Magneto in his mouth. Namor punched Thanos in the mouth.
Magneto has consistently held back against her and her team. Mags powers have grown as well. When she defeats him....let me know.
Then why are you bringing up the shield if she can attack him from the inside of it anyway? That makes no sense.
When two beings are fighting for control over the same element or energy they are wresting for control over it with their wills. The examples I provided with Storm are prime instances of it occurring.
She didn't lose that fight. Point being. And he wasn't as untouchable as you claimed.
No, Magneto has tried to kill Storm numerous times. I've already given you examples. He didn't have the Iron blood trick back then. Storm has actively held back in fights. We've seen speech bubbles and we've seen Magneto admit to it himself.
Your feats are old. Storm has already gone up against Magneto numerous times since then and hasn't been defeated by him. The fact that you're still clinging so hard to those old feats is proof that you won't accept that Storm is a match for Magneto in any fight.
@storm_calling: She did not lose when she dehydrated him in UXM #113... I've already provided the instance to you in our previous debate.
Context: Storm was not alone. She had a team helping her. Storm has never ever beaten him in a one on one situation.
Everything else has been addressed already. If you believe that Storm is more powerful than Magneto when she always needs a team to help her....so be it.
Yes, she had a team, but the argument was whether or not she could use her powers through his shield. The answer is YES. Whether or not she won or lost those battles is beside the point. As is her doing it while he was fighting the team.
I never claimed that Storm was MORE powerful than Magneto. You are putting words in my mouth(again). I said her will is more impressive since you claimed that Storm wouldn't be powerful enough to match his will to breach his shield. My evidence proves otherwise.
Also, I provided you an example of her fighting Magneto without the aid of the team(she punched him right in the mouth in No More Humans). All of your showings are old(and full of missing context). Storm has grown considerably since then(2 decades) and was consciously holding back in several of those fights anyway(I provided evidence of this as well).
So if anyone is forgetting the context, it is you, sir.
@storm_calling: We have been over this. That is why I never contact you first.
When she gets inside his shields. She loses. Both times. She lost. She hasn't shown that she can slice magneto shields Against his will.
WW is not immune to internal attacks. Guess what?? Neither is Storm. Put a tornado in her lungs or reverse her polarity and she's done.
Fighting A version of Death who can't beat Morlun is not impressive. Try defeating Proteus who isn't part of the EM Spectrum. Mags affects electrons.
So unless Storm has new feats, I see no reason to rehash this tired argument with the same people.
Yet you indirectly commented on my post anyway...
She did not lose when she dehydrated him in UXM #113... I've already provided the instance to you in our previous debate. She has used her powers through his field and she can part his field to attack him through it. He can fight to prevent the breach but Storm's will is a match for his own. Don't let the old battles with him fool you, she is easily in his tier and his shield has NEVER been an issue for her. She also has Dr. Polaris here to help her breach his defenses once WW is taken out of the fight.
Great, they both can kill each other, but who has more ways of doing it? Storm. Who has the stronger control over the elements? Storm. Who can hit faster? Storm. Also, Storm can use stealth. WW hasn't shown that he can actually see through elements the way Storm can, so if she blinds him he won't be able to remove it given how outclassed he is, nor would he be able to attack her.
Proteus was holding back against Magneto and could've killed him easily. Storm already performed a similar trick against Stardust. Also, you were provided numerous examples of willpower. Cherry picking the one that you didn't find feasible doesn't discount the others. So her will is better.
@stormphoenix: Thanks for giving me some insight about the WW/Flash feat. I figured it was something like that. I didn't realize that it was Flash WW was attacking in the scan where he says the climate protects him either.
Agreed. It's very untested against someone like Storm, who would likely find all sorts of loopholes in what that truly means.
I don't think the shield will be a problem for Storm. As you said, we've gone over this numerous times. If his shield intercepts her power she can still breach them by parting them, as she's shown with the Earth's geomagnetic fields.
WW is a Flash villain who has tagged Flash Repeatedly. The Flash has been attacking and he stopped Flash. So the "Storm is faster Statement" is unconfirmed. Also, it doesn't matter if she's faster because WW is immune to her powers also. They negate each other.
Has Storm ever destroyed Mags shields? Has she shown more control over the EM spectrum than Mags? No. So while she can disrupt the EM field WITHOUT interference. Doesn't mean she can do it against Magnetos will.
It can go either way. But if the deciding factor is power then I give team 1 the majority due to Magneto. Even moreso if Mags wasn't nerfed.
Scans of WW having above human level reaction and being able to tag Flashs?
WW is not immune to having his synapses cascaded, the oxygen taken from his lungs of the blood in his body internally frozen. These aren't weather or environmental attacks. These are attacks against his physical body. They also don't protect him from Storm hurling physical attacks against him, such as her winds and hailstones. She could also effectively hurl projectiles at him, and since her raw power outclasses his, he will be unable to intercept the attacks.
Storm strained Magneto's shield in UXM 150 with her winds. He had to focus all of his power into anchoring himself against the pull and was suffocating from the vacuum of the cyclone. She also used her powers through his forcefield another time to dehydrate him(and they actually bested him in that fight), and Storm was weakened. I've already gone over all of this with you on the previous page and will not retread.
And if we're comparing wills, Storm beats Magneto in this department. Housing eternity, combating the Trion and fighting Death is well out of his ballpark,
@storm_calling: No, he actually has scans of explicitly shutting off the xgene first...secondly, show the rest of that scan. You won't because you get your info from battle threads and not actually reading the comics.
Had you read itn you would know that Magneto IMMEDIATELY tossed photon out, identified the weakness in his field, and his never been phased since even by teleporters. Don't be dishonest.
I cannot in fact think of tome where the Avengers have actually straight up beaten him, and the only reason he doesn't crush the xmen is because they're mutants.
Lack of internal manipulations doesn't change the fact that he can grab Storm by her em field and toss her into space, like Northstar.
Scans showing him deactivating the X-gene then?
Here's the rest of your scans. I have nothing to hide or be dishonest about. Don't expect another reply from me either, given how I've proven my case and have been insulted twice by you for no reason. You're not worth my time anymore.