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#1  Edited By Starsprime3  Online

@nwname: It is harder to get the exact size on this ship (Starscream on Nemesis in the last panel):

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#2  Edited By Starsprime3  Online

@nwname: No, wait, that's a different Nemesis. (the one from ROTF). I confused the two.

This is the one Starscream survived.

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#4  Edited By Starsprime3  Online

@nwname: @kryptonianking88:

Lastly, the ship that Starscream survives the destruction of with no seemingly severe injuries (few cracks in the armor and a broken wing going by art and there is no indication of notable internal injuries) was this:

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The ship's explosion was bigger than the size of the ship itself.

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@kryptonianking88: I don't think Bay cares about power levels, he can barely keep the overall continuity of each movie together.

For what it'a worth, the co-writer for the first and the second movie had a QA thread in a TF forum right before ROTF came out and he revealed that he didn't even know there were ROTF prequel comics. So in a way, at least some writers didn't know of these comics.

Still, Hasbro is the partial owner (I think it is partial) of the Bayverse and they approved all these and even straight up published some themselves (Hasbro is a toy company, so all the toy bios come from them first hand). That is why I think these might have validity and reliability.

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@kryptonianking88: In a way, the toy bios are their own verse, I think. In a multiverse story from Takara, Bayverse toyverse was visited by characters from a different universe.

Hasbro is the owner of Transformers franchise and the partial owner of Bayverse with Paramount (I could be wrong with the partial owner thing), toy bios more often than not, is also used to expand the Bayverse canon and tries to more or less fit the movie canon, so maybe toy bio feats, personality and story details might count as long as it doesn't condradict the movie canon (there are ones that do condradict) but IDK.

Since most of these are meant to fit and expand the Bayverse canon (especially the US comics) I think one could argue the feats and story details etc. applies unless it condradicts the movie.

I might be wanking with this logic tho ngl. Worst case scenario, it is composite Bayverse.

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How good is this feat? This explosion pushes Optimus and Soundwave out of Lake Guatavita (which is max. 125 feet deep) and to the surface. Soundwave weighs around 1 ton, Optimus 6-8 tons or so according to official numbers).

It also destroys El Dorado, lost city of gold. El Dorado is called a city in this comic but IDK if it is literally city-sized. Going by the art, it looks more like a temple. I know gold is soft metal but there seems to be a lot of gold here (enough to crash the market according to Soundwave).

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#9  Edited By Starsprime3  Online

@ccbm2208: Even Johnny was fodder at first. His continued blast couldn't go through a concrete wall (a few inches thick IIRC) but you could excuse that as he had less experience there (first time using his powers) and he wasn't fully in his full HT form.

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@ccbm2208: Only other impressive feat is Thing knocking down a metal door to pieces with a pound. He is also bulletproof IIRC.