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@skrskr:

Superman took a less than 1 megaton nuke in space,

1.1 M actually

not only is the yield much lower than what Godzilla tanked but when a nuke explodes in space or outer atmospheres the blast is practically non existent and the radiation is overwhelming which is what happened in the scene.

Exactly. It was the radiation that hurt Superman. Not the blast.

The one Godzilla no sold was 15 megatons (castle bravo)

Again, because Godzilla feeds off radiation. Also, it was underwater,

So even if you grant supes the full extent of his less than 1 megaton nuke it pales in comparison to what Godzilla has tanked without even bringing up the permian impact.

World Engine feat easily compares considering it was demolishing Metropolis.

Superman does not scale to Mothra in any shape or form.

Yes he very much does. Doomsday is a testament to that. Especially since his predecessor shattered a moon.

VS

Both start out 1000 metres away from each other.

Supergirl is in her fifth year.

Vanya has fully awakened her powers.

Who wins?

Superman is just as durable as Godzilla. The reason the lizard can tank nukes is because they make him strong. Superman can handle explosion, but the radiation cloud blocks out the sunlight, thereby weakening him. The moment the sun shines on him, he's back to full power in less than a minute.

If Mothra can impale Rodan, Superman can fly right through him

@callme_sim:

With that said, I am introducing my trump card.

THIS:

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2496585/zack-snyder-confirms-an-awesome-doomsday-easter-egg-he-snuck-into-man-of-steel

If this Doomsday is built in the same fashion, then he either is, or will be... strong enough to destroy a Moon. That's above and beyond anything that's happened.

It was already referenced in Man of Steel.

Whether this 2016 version Doomsday is there yet is uncertain, but if he can survive a Moon, he can survive Godzilla.

Also, Fuck potency. The Earth gives way before either of one them does. You're a moron.

Your move.

@callme_sim:

That wasn't the point you ignorant little bitch. Stop beating around the bush and answer the question.

Ask me nicely, shitbird.

What stomp will hurt DCEU Superman more: Gipsy Danger's or Saitama's?

Neither, because neither Gypsy Danger nor Saitama exist in this continuity. Though if they did, Saitama who is infinitely stronger than Godzilla, with send Superman right through the planet. GD would break its foot. And Superman would fly through his head à la Emperor Joker.

You're comparing a measly small building level shockwave to a fucking nuke. What are you missing here??

It's easily a city block, as you just admitted (short term memory loss, much) and size is not relevant. What matters is concentrated force.

> Not nearly. Godzilla himself could have fit inside that shockwave.

Godzilla's length is 550ft mate.

Fine. He could "stand in it". Happy now, idiot>

And. Yet. You. Have. Nothing. To. Debunk. It. With.

How. Clear. Do. I. Have. To. Make. That. For. You?

Must. I. Have. To. Type. Like. This. All. The. Time. So. You. Can. Understand?

Please, I understand you just fine. I understand that you're a dimwitted stalker with a crush who will say whatever shit happens to be passing in your bowels that you call a brain and use it as some kind of proof.

I have plenty to debunk it with. Ghidorah's bite force is not equivalent to a nuke. Neither are the MUTO's spikes. Godzilla's tail might be supersonic but it's certainly not HYPERsonic, which is the speed that Superman was travelling at when he hit Zod and created that shockwave. It did not "annihilate" the male MUTO's durability. It may have softened him up, but regardless that's not what ultimately killed him. As for Ghidorah and the MUTO having similar durability is not needed, because both are able to sufficiently injure Godzilla and neither one hits harder than a nuclear bomb. The difference is that the MUTO's feed off nukes while Ghidorah does not. No pussies here, and I gotta say, I thought that wasn't your thing.

As for your pathetic attempt to debunk piercing, you seem to forget that the rebar is m

If a car at 60mph hit's your head you're gone.

That's not the same thing as your body taking the whole impact, idiot. If Godzilla had landed directly on his head when he fell from the clouds, there's a decent chance he'd be gone. Hell, he almost died anyway.

If you're bending your neck down in front of a car going 60mph it will break your neck and kill you.

But that's not the same, now is it. You introduced a new factor. So maybe if Godzilla's tail hit the MUTO's head and nothing else, it would have been lethal.

Stop being so dumb and say something logical for once. Think before you type.

That's what you should be doing, dumbass.

Potency isn't working against me, bitch.

Actually it is, and you're too dumb to realize it

It's destroying your pathetic attempt at a reply you call an argument.

You're the pathetic one, if you think you even have an argument. If Godzilla lacks the force to crush Doomsday, his potency is not a factor. A) because Doomsday's too fast. B) Because he can lift that much and C) because the Earth below them will give way before Doomsday's body gives out.

Oh and D) every moment that Godzilla is damaging Doomsday, he gets that much stronger.

Regardless, you trying to suggest that Godzilla's breath is hotter than a nuclear core is hilarious considering you have no way of proving it. And that doesn't debunk the core temp of the nuclear explosion anyway. Now if you want to show me proof where all Kaiju are resistant to nukes, be my guest, but you won't find it.

"It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person." fits you perfectly. You're too persistent and you'll never accept the facts. That's why it's damn near impossible to drill something to basic into that vibranium cranium of yours.

There are no facts on your side. You're just making statements which you want to be facts. And if you really think I'm that thick-headed (I'd love to have vibranium BTW), than you're an even bigger idiot for trying to argue with me. Which is why you'll reply when you see this.

I am disappointed in you.

@callme_sim:

...Holy shit you sure took your time. I completely forgot about this lmaoo

So did I.

Ghidorah's chest was closer to Godzilla's second pulse than both of the heads were you mongrel.

Wrong, bitch. Plus, this no longer matters.

Did you ever stop and think for one moment that the middle head survived for plot convenience to make the scene look better?

Plot convenience is not in your favour, moron.

Give me solid proof that Godzilla completely negated Ghidorah's durability to the point where anything can pierce through it.

Whoa, buster. I never said ANYTHING. Don't play with me.

Did you not read the part where Ghidorah didn't even PHASE him with gravity beams?

It's called having a Power-Up.

What? Lmao how the fuck is Burning Godzilla a KRYPTONITE FACTOR to Ghidorah?

Considering how his body fucking shrivelled up from the first pulse it mos def is that to him.

Godzilla isn't designed to be a specialised Ghidorah weakness at all.

That's irrelevant. Nuclear energy is not Ghidorah's forte.

Potency means EVERYTHING here.

No, it does not.

Something Godzilla tanks CASUALLY

Cuz it's his special ability, you fool.

, yet Ghidorah and other monsters have the potency to harm him. Meaning their potency is beyond said nuke and is beyond what Doomsday has took.

This is a testament to your stupidity. Withstanding energy blasts does not equate to withstanding blunt-force. If you're trying to make the ludicrous statement that all Kaiju have physical power that surpasses a nuke, you're nuts. And further still, this applies ONLY to durability, not to physical force.

What stomp will hurt DCEU Superman more? A stomp from Gipsy Danger, or a stomp from Saitama? Potency FAR outclasses weight and mass.

Dude, Godzilla is FAR closer to Gypsy Danger than Saitama. Potency is meaningless if Godzilla lacks the force needed to crush someone like Superman.

So a small city block explosion......wow.

You idiot. It's not a "small city block explosion". It's size is utterly irrelevant. The shockwave they produced is far greater than a stomp from Godzilla.

How does that compare to any nuke Godzilla has tanked?

A) This is not a comparison of durability

B) "Any nuke" is not a testament of physical durability.

How does that scale to any attack Godzilla has tanked?

Really, dummy? Any time Godzilla clashed with the MUTOs or with Ghidorah they caused similar structural damage and wrecked the place

How does that scale to Godzilla's supersonic tail whip with superior potency to the Castle Bravo?

Dude, you are either trolling, or you are a nutcase. Godzilla's whip was not remotely sonic, let alone SUPERsonic.
But now I understand. You hilariously assume that because he can handle the very energy that he thrives off of, he can therefore hit harder than a nuke. Classic.

Godzilla's foot alone is almost as big as that shockwave generated by their clash.

Not nearly. Godzilla himself could have fit inside that shockwave. We never even see it's full extent because it immediately cuts away to Superman crashing Zod through a building.

It was a joke you spastic.

It's not nice to lie, creep.

Jesus Christ you're easier to rip into than a wet newspaper.

Just keep it in your pants.

No I wouldn't expect you to go back and read what I've said because you know it's right.

I know of no such thing. And neither do you,

You're not fooling anymore mate.

Please, you're not worth the time.

Unfortunately you've proven otherwise.

Well, one of us did.

...eyesight but here we are.

Keep lying.

...imbecile.

Your "potency" argument is meaningless and now I know it because you compare his tail to be superior to a nuke. Imbecile.

INSTANTLY STOPPED SCREECHING once Godzilla smacked him with his tail.

That means nothing. That's not what killed the MUTO. You can clearly hear it groaning it pain.

It was Godzilla's tail that smashed completely through his durability, hence why it's dead body was penetrated.

Wrong. That's not how it works. The rebar is what killed the MUTO. Not the tail.

I'm saying if you're hit with an attack that completely crushes your durability to nothing,

Which is not what happened here, but exactly what happebed,

your dead body WILL be penetrated. Ghidorah was different,

Convenient.

as he was still functioning after the atomic pulses.

Functioning, in the sense that he was half-dead, but sure.

Though saying it's durability is only building level is retarded as he was literally dragged through multiple skyscrapers beforehand and was fine.

Potency working against you, bitch. A man can survive getting hit by a car at 60 mph but won't survive getting impaled a sword.

Erm...no it just proves Ghidorah's durability >>>>>>> Male MUTO's durability lmao.

Wrong.

Thought that was obvious.

Because you need it to make sense to win.

Rich of you to call someone a stubborn bastard yet it took you almost 2 weeks to reply to a dead thread.

That's how little I care. I'm not going to spend every day quarrelling with you over this shit.

You're also refusing to read what I've said you to and you admit it in the SAME reply.

And after reading all of what you said here, I wish I had continued to do so.

You're such a dumbass lmao.

You're the dumbass. You think Godzilla hits harder than a nuke, you think that the MUTOS are somehow tougher than Doomsday based on nothing, and you think potency is the key to everything.

No...you're just flat out shit lol.

And you sir, are covered in it.

For the record, the average core blast of a nuclear bomb exceeds a temperature of 100,000,000º Celsius which is above anything Godzilla's breath has reached with his atomic breath which topped out at 1,200,000, according to TOHO's official stats. If Kryptonians can survive that, they can survive a giant foot.

See you in 2 weeks.

@mossbeard: @callme_sim:

Nothing you said changes anything

Therefore debunking your point about the head being more durable than the chest.

Nope, because the chest was not taking the brunt of the atomic blasts. I played you.

You can quite clearly see Godzilla's foot penetrates Ghidorah's chest

Yeah, sure. AFTER TWO atomic bursts, dumbass. And even then, the foot didn't go that deep. It still took a THIRD atomic blast to finish him off. Godzilla was in burning mode which is clearly a Kryptonite factor to Ghidorah. None of this applies to him at base level.

The main point isn't about weight it's about POTENCY.

Oh give me a break. Potency means nothing. If Godzilla cannot generate the force necessary to crush a Kryptonian, it doesn't matter how potent he is

Which again, Doomsday or Superman haven't shown to compare AS OF YET.

Yes, they have moron.

If Kryptonians can casually walk this off, Godzilla's tail whip is a like slap to the face, and that tail is far more powerful than his stomping foot.

Yes, you are. We've been over this sweetheart.

Okay, now you're just being disgusting. I am NOT into you, creep. This is not a love-hate relationship. Keep your sexual preferences somewhere else.

That's because it is? Maybe reread what I ACTUALLY said before you pipe up.

And be even more bored than usual? Thanks, but no thanks.

Maybe look back at the part about me having troubling eyesight too while you're at it.

No, my eyesight is perfect. You should have thought about how stupid you sounded BEFORE posting this drivel.

That still doesn't prove that Godzilla gaining 9k tons is enough to pierce through Ghidorah, loser.

That was never my argument, imbecile.

In fact, your use of Godzilla's tail whip, HURTS your argument instead supporting it. The fact that the MUTO survived the initial tail whip, but its body wasn't able to withstand the rebar of that skyscraper, means its durability was inferior to Superman. Ghidorah resisting it is only further proof that physical potency is insufficient.

No I wouldn't expect you to either because you know I'm right yet again

I know no such thing. And if I did, you wouldn't need to keep arguing. I do know you're a stubborn little bastard.

You just answered that yourself in the sentence above.

Ah, so you DO have an ego issue. Thanks for playing.

@callme_sim:

Yeah totally explains why Ni and Kevin were obliterated by the second pulse before the chest was.

Well, they took the blast head on, get it? Besides, his foot doesn't fully penetrate the chest until after yet ANOTHER atomic burst.

> Idiot. I literally said, "I'm not an embarrassment. You are." Your eyesight is troubling.

> No I didn't. Don't lie to me.

As you can quite clearly see, we have established that you are not the smartest creature on the planet.

Never said I was. Problem is, this "K" was AFTER you posted more bullshit. Thus, your reply was worthless.

You did. Why else would you come crying into my DMs saying "I'm Sorry" lmaoooo

I was being polite, numb nuts.

Clearly.

Thanks.

I didn't say clean it up I said suck it up.

Splitting hairs.

You've already sucked up most of it based on your final sentence so why refuse to suck up the rest?

I will not suck one IOTA of your shit.

No go on. Finish your sentence. We've got 12 weeks mate. I've got PLENTY of time to spare. :)

And I couldn't care less.

Nothing in your quote says anything about ViRuAlLy limitless strength.

"Superman possesses immense levels of superhuman strength that is virtually incalculable and limitless"

You were saying?

Except I've proven Godzilla has superior AP to Doomsday considering he was able to hurt and ragdoll a creature who is not only MUCH bigger but scales to durability feats that are out of Doomsday's or Superman's league.

Ragdolling means nothing. It doesn't equal damaging. Ghidorah's best feat is tanking the Oxygen Destroyer. Then he got incinerated by a living nuclear weapon. Not helping your case.

Lifting strength =/= AP as I've said before.

Doesn't matter. Durability wise, Superman and Doomsday withstood worse as shown above.

TERRIBLE comparison, I'm utterly ashamed that you resorted to muttering those words at me.

You have no shame to speak of.

You're comparing Godzilla NORMALLY WALKING to a continuous charged up earthquaking blast from the sky.

And you are trying to suggest that "normally walking" and "stomping" are vastly different. They're not. If you want to show me where Godzilla's stomping creates a full-scale earthquake, go ahead.

"That isn't Godzilla stomping on the ground with deliberate force, that's just him walking slowly for his first grand entrance when he faces off against the Male MUTO."

A stomp is still nowhere near as powerful. Don't even try with this nonsense. The World Engine

By your logic, the Mega Kaiju weighs more than Godzilla because he was able to slam his fist into the ground and knock multiple 200ft jaegers off the ground at once, despite it being confirmed that the Mega Kaiju doesn't even weigh A TENTH of Godzilla. Stop it.

Not even going there

Mass isn't an issue, as yet again proven by Burning Godzilla vs Ghidorah.

Ghidorah was already fried, loser. It was the same thing as a lava monster pushing through metal. This potency is meaningless. You cannot possibly claim Ghidorah was at full durability when Godzilla's foot came down on him.

You're delusional

Nope.

if you think gaining 9000 tons is enough to stomp through Ghidorah.

You said mass is meaningless, dimwit. You just played yourself

You've said this after almost every reply now and I'm wondering why you haven't clocked onto why I haven't responded to it. I already said beforehand that I'm responding to any points your throwing at me.

Even if you end up being wrong? Okay.

I know you conceded to Godzilla.

So let it end.

You're just dragging this on even further and making it worse for yourself.

Wrong. You're making it worse. You don't need to win every point. Your ego refuses to be satisfied.

I reply because I am bored, not out of desperation to prove you wrong.

You're not going to convince me of anything else, so what's your reason for doing this?

@callme_sim:

he blast didn't reduce his durability to 0. This is proven when Ghidorah's middle head managed to survive the 3 blasts including the one through his chest.

The head is usually the toughest part of the body. Not the chest

Godzilla stomping through Ghidorah simply means his potency has been buffed beyond anything he has ever dished out. That has nothing to do with weight. That's power alone.

I never said IT was an embarrassment

And I didn't think you did either

I said YOU are an embarrassment but whatever.

Idiot. I literally said, "I'm not an embarrassment. You are." Your eyesight is troubling.

I don't need you giving me time stamps. You STRAIGHT UP apologized to my face

No I didn't. Don't lie to me.

and started acting like a bitch because you knew how much you messed up.

I didn't mess up in this argument. I was trying to extend an olive branch and you rejected it.

Lick your wounds in peace, it doesn't concern me.

I'm perfectly fine, thanks.

Unfortunately I have said it too many times. You just need to suck it up.

No, that's your own shit, and I am not cleaning up after you.

That has literally nothing to do with Godzilla's weight.

So... whatever.

Literally nothing in that screenshot proves what you said here about DCEU Superman having "limitless lifting strength".

Virtually limitless. I never said he had limitless lifting strength. I just provided the quote.

If, by your own admission, Godzilla has inferior strength to Doomsday, then he has no chance of defeating him in a contest of brute force. If you think Mass is not an issue, that's fine. Then you have to explain how Godzilla's foot-stomp delivers more force than the impact from the World Engine.

For reference:

That foot generates no major earthquake. Just a loud tremor. Those people are still standing.

Now this

This blast clears a massive radius

And here it levels an entire city block.

As Superman states, the Gravity field continues to expand and since he's right under it, his own body mass is being increased exponentially while his powers are being drained from his body.

Honestly, I don't know what you're arguing for. The real battle was always going to come down to energy output, which I conceded to Godzilla.

@callme_sim:

Then you must accept that Godzilla can do the same thing as he did it against the MUTOs whilst being exhausted from travelling and fighting non stop for 12+ hours.

Yeah, I can accept that. Godzilla is not a mindless monster. He has willpower of his own.

And no, I've already proven than potency =/= weight as proven from the fight with the MUTOs and Ghidorah.

It does not. Godzilla stomped through Ghidorah's chest in burning mode, after having already blasted him TWICE with nuclear shockwaves.

Erm...no you said her sword can cut through ANYTHING, and now that I've asked you can it cut through the likes of CAS, you've dropped the point. Stop trying to cover up the fact that you're an embarrassment.

I'm not an embarrassment. You are. Regardless, the sword is not a measurable feat or anti-feat, since it was never tested against anything.

Yeah clearly not apologizing at all lmaooo.

This was before you fired back with more of your bullshit. I can give you time stamps

And yes, I have to repeat myself for someone as stubborn as you. I'm pretty sure I've said this before as well.

You've said it too many times. And it's crap.

Ever heard of ROUNDING NUMBERS?

Screw you. It's still paltry compared to a million tons.

No need. You don't need a wiki to prove Godzilla's weight when it's officially confirmed by Legendary themselves.

And where do you think the DCEU wiki gets their info from? Some of it comes straight from the official Man of Steel novelization.

Anyway, I'm past the point of arguing for Doomsday's victory. Just arguing he's capable of surviving Godzilla's physicals and capable of bruising him.