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SMP gets melted by one Celestial. 9 seems like overkill.

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@takenstew22: I'm not angry, it's just not a debate I feel like having with you or anyone else. I know what his power level is over the course of his history in Marvel relative to everyone else in it.

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@takenstew22: Do you mean now, 10 years ago or 40-50 years ago? This isn't something I really feel like debating since it's somewhat subjective so just spare me acting like you know more about Thor or his power level than I do when I've read around 400 of his comics.

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It's Trion and he also toyed with Nightmare in his own realm I think.

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Because Hyperion spent a lot of time as a villain who was never meant to be quite on the level of Thor who for a long time was the undisputed king of the herald level characters in Marvel.

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I just finished Kirby’s Eternals. I’m debating reading Wein before Thomas, because I feel like I’ll have little reason to read Len Wein or the runs between Thomas and Simonson if I don’t knock it out consecutively. On the other hand, I want to do the Eternals saga I in order to get through all of their comics before the movie. Decisions!

I don't recall any of Wein's stuff being too memorable. The stuff just before Simonson's run is also pretty forgettable.

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@kangconquers said:

Of the complete runs I’ve read in full.

1. Walt Simonson

2. Jason Aaron

3. Stan Lee/ Jack Kirby

4. JMS

5. Keiron Gillen

6. Matt Fraction

7. Gerry Conway

Currently working on Jurgens. Anticipate reading Len Wein, Roy Thomas and Tom DeFalco soon.

DeFalco's Thor run was decent. I think writers from the 70's-80's tended to respect his and Odin's character more than most of the writers from Fraction onward. Thomas' is pretty good and went out with the Eternals Saga which is around 20 issues long. A lot of Gillen's writing got placed under the Journey to Mystery title and featured Loki but he also deserves major props for the whole RKT storyline.

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They had their run and then had the movies. Not everything translates well across eras and of course Henson died a long time ago so better to just leave it at that.

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Makes no sense that Buck would hold back against Walker. Bucky straight up punched through a metal beam in the fight with the vibranium arm. With that kinda strength and Bucky's skill which is close to BP and Cap, he should've handled Walker by himself. And yet, Walker not only beat Bucky, he took on both Bucky and Sam together and was still winning for the most part.

Either this is a major inconsistency or Walker's serum is better than old serums and they are going the comic route in which he is stronger than Cap

It can easily be both things. I already said that imo they made it clear that Walker's serum is meant to be an improvement upon the one Steve and Bucky received. There's also a difference between someone who is fighting from an enraged state of mind where they are ready to kill while the other two are basically calm and were trying to talk him out of fighting from the beginning. You can't just turn it off and turn it on that quickly even in a fight.

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Walker comfortably beat Bucky. Hell he was beating both Bucky and Sam together for a major part of the fight

Even before the electrocution, Walker ragdolled him with that shield strike and over powered him multiple times in the fight, despite Bucky's vibranium arm, something Steve hasn't been able to replicate

I think it's fair to say he pulled a win but also that Bucky has been semi holding back since he gave up the ws programming while Walker is portrayed as being pretty much unhinged and enraged while doing for kills on Sam and Bucky. So I think that makes a bit of a difference. I think if it's the Bucky we saw fighting against Cap in Winter Soldier it probably goes differently.