sonny1

I honestly hope marvel and/or netflix don't listen to any of the complaints about kingpin or daredevil's uniform/costume because they know what they are doing. They obviously have plans for the development of both along with other aspects of the ongoing series.

Leland Owlsley's son that he mentions throughout the series will most likely become Owl. He will probably make his first apperance in aka Jessica Jones.

@hit_monkey: All he needs is two teen sidekicks and a monkey and he'd be space ghost.

@trutrutru said:

@sonny1:

1 the phoenix did not restore the mutant race hope and scarlet witch did. They used the phoenix to do it.

The Phoenix was still the key to restoring the mutant race. It came to earth for Hope to use as a vessel. Cyclops knew that somehow Hope and the Phoenix could fix the mutant problem. What cyclops did not know is that they would need Scarlet Witch's help. Had cyclops been given the option to work on a solution hand in hand with the Avengers as equals, they could have figured this all out after Hope accepted the Phoenix.

2 If he would have worked with the avengers and let them know what was going on, maybe they would have found a solution together and their was no way in hell he would have let the scarlet witch help.

He wasnt given the option to work with the Avengers. They came to Utopia and said they were taking Hope. period. No discussions. Not only that, but their plan was to kill/stop the Phoenix. They had two attempts. One in space with Thor, and another on the moon with the laser beam that split the Phoenix.

3 He got innocent people killed in the end, and Murdered professor X.

that happened after he was possessed by the Phoenix. Which was the Avengers fault for trying to kill the Phoenix on the moon. Cyclops never asked for the power of the Phoenix. People were only killed at the end after Cyclops repeatedly asked Professor X and the Avengers to stop. They pushed him to that point. The last thing you want to do is stress out the Phoenix host. The knew very well what can happen (dark phoenix) and decided not to let up anyway.

4. The scarlet witch USED her powers along with hope to return the mutants with Hopes. If i am wrong feel free to post the comic to prove it.

Scarlet Witch did use her powers in conjunction with Hope and the PHOENIX (which the avengers wanted to kill) to restore mutants. The point is all this could have happened from jump if the Avengers didnt come to Utopia to forcefully take Hope without approaching a solution to the problem with the x-men hand in hand as equals. They forced Scott's hand.

some things to note when considering how justified the Avengers were in approaching the problem the way they did.

- In all the times the Phoenix has visited the earth, it has never come to destroy the earth.

- Never has a host ever gone dark phoenix upon receiving the phoenix. Both Jean Grey and Rachel Grey handled the phoenix without issue, with jean only going dark Phoenix due to being manipulated.

If you can prove that the arrival of the phoenix and it finding a host is an automatic, right off the bat, disaster for the planet earth (or even automatic dark phoenix), feel free to post the comic to prove it.

Here's the problem with your whole synopsis, the phoenix was destroying life on other planets along it's path to earth. And for all the avengers knew it was a danger to the entire planet. They wanted to take Hope into protective custody in order to protect the rest of the planet and maybe determine what was going on. Hell the avengers have some of the smartest people on the planet. Having a hunch and being lucky is different than knowing something. Beast being a scientist and having first hand knowledge of the phoenix was probably the most qualified to make that call and with wolverine knowing Scott captain America followed his advice. You are just making excuses for Cyclops. Again according to nova the phoenix force was taking out planets. The avengers weren't taking a chance. And even with Scott having control of the force he didn't bather to return the mutants race back to it's original numbers. He instead decided to act like a god like the rest of the phoenix 5.

When it comes down to it. Scott acted like a jerk. Honestly I never really cared for him as a character anyway.

It was the avengers that ultimately set things right

Even in the clip on the right you can see that Captain America was still trying to work with Scott summers, but Scott being the prick he is had to show out.

I guess you can write anything and fan boys and girls will eat it up.

@slimlim said:

@sonny1 said:

If not for Scarlet witch Hope would have not known that she was chosen because she was the only one that would have been able to give up the Phoenix force and with the Scarlet witches help bring back the mutants. So no Scott wasn't right he needlessly started the fight between the X-men and the Avengers and cost countless deaths including professor X. Scott didn't know what he was doing.

Cyclops was right because the Phoenix force was used to restore the mutant race. Whether or not Scarlet Witch had a hand in convincing Hope is besides the point. She could have done so without Captain America and the Avengers storming into Utopia and attempting to destroy the Phoenix force.

Cyclops was right. Avengers were wrong.

But the Avengers movie made an obscene amount of money at the box office. So Scott is labelled a villain and goes to jail.

No Scott wasn't right because:

1 the phoenix did not restore the mutant race hope and scarlet witch did. They used the phoenix to do it.

2 If he would have worked with the avengers and let them know what was going on, maybe they would have found a solution together and their was no way in hell he would have let the scarlet witch help.

3 He got innocent people killed in the end, and Murdered professor X.

4. The scarlet witch USED her powers along with hope to return the mutants with Hopes. If i am wrong feel free to post the comic to prove it.

If not for Scarlet witch Hope would have not known that she was chosen because she was the only one that would have been able to give up the Phoenix force and with the Scarlet witches help bring back the mutants. So no Scott wasn't right he needlessly started the fight between the X-men and the Avengers and cost countless deaths including professor X. Scott didn't know what he was doing.

Loki, I'm petty sure he can increase his strength as well using magic, but why should he?

@Argantyr: @Argantyr said:

I don't know about this, slaughterhouse? Blazing Skull has a healing factor that would make Wolverine blush. He's sufficiently physically stronger, if I'm to recall GR is 5-8 ton class. Also I might add, the basis for his 'Imperviousness to Flame' is routed by a mystical nature, and I doubt any of you can prove that the Hellfire would breach this. After all, it operates exactly like fire only it can't be extinguished by flames [Or some feck like that] Also, if you wanna be really, REALLY technical. I've read golden age Blazing Skull, and there's no reason why we couldn't give him Danger-Sense here as well. Yup, so...not sure if it's as keen as Spider-Sense, but without spotting Big Joe [Some big guy that was stealing paintings] he reached back, grabbing him by his wrist and hurling him over-head. I think Mark could take this, impart to his impredictability and experience. Oh, and for a bt of humor, without Blazing Skull there likely wouldn't BE a Ghost Rider, or atleast a Ghost Rider with a skull head.

No Blazing skull is not stronger than Ghost rider, blazing skull can lift 10 tons while Ghost rider can lift 25 tons although that has been reconned to limitless when Zarathos is in full control.

They are both children now.

Actually it's his old body, Toni Stark was trying to fix him when vision's body went into self repair on it's own.