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#1 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

@sxe619 said:
@solarpowered said:

Winner take all? ...It's not that serious. You're taking this whole ordeal entirely too seriously.

You've been in denial the whole time, trying to somehow find a way to prove baseless points.

To be honest, you summed it up perfectly here.

Is this a circlejerk now?

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#2 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

@sxe619 said:
@solarpowered said:

Winner take all? ...It's not that serious. You're taking this whole ordeal entirely too seriously.

You've been in denial the whole time, trying to somehow find a way to prove baseless points. Pretty sure he isn't the one taking it too seriously.

Feel free to prove why Revan > Starkiller then, buddy.

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#3 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthant66: Mhm. I'm sure you're just brimming with anticipation, aren't you?

The utter boredom of some of the internet's users is shocking to me. Anyway, try to hold until then.

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#4 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthant66: Winner take all? ...It's not that serious. You're taking this whole ordeal entirely too seriously. Anyway, it's rather late. I'll probably respond to your post tomorrow.

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#5 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

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@solarpowered: You missed the whole point here. TFU, by the producers approval, exaggerates the force usage, that's why someone like Kota, was able to do those things, not because he was actually special in the Jedi Order. And that's why Vader acknowledged his mediocrity.

Put Kenobi in TFU, and he will start to ragdoll Kota easily, TFU's force feats always at the top and at the limit, that's why I am ignoring it most of the times.

Blah blah blah, you're not saying anything DarthAnt hasn't said.

You might as well not use a single feat by any character other than their movie renditions then since literally every incarnation of Star Wars force users, be it EU, Novels, or Games, are exaggerated in comparison to their film counterparts.

By that logic, Revan's entire existence is an exaggeration.

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#6 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

@pr0d1gy: When did Goku state Vegeta might be able to push Beerus to his limits?

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#7 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, Revan can take S'killer. Not hego.

Can you provide some proof that DarthAnt didn't?

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#8 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

@erkan12: Eh, I might be willing to concede to that, but it's not really recommended to rely on TFU's comics/novels as an accurate representation of what actually went down. It's not like the EU, which is telling stories that didn't happen in the movies; TFU's comics are just a re-telling of the game, and if it didn't happen in the game, it shouldn't really be considered canon.

Besides, Vader says a lot of things. Rahm may have been blind and old, but he was still relatively powerful, and there's no evidence he wasn't a "true" Jedi Master. For example:

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Once he realized beating Starkiller was hopeless, he literally ripped down the entire platform they were fighting on.

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In the video above (staring at 0:25), you can see him easily dealing with arena beasts, and you can notice he's even slaughtered an Acklay.

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And in this one (18:05), he's seen holding up two chunks of large bridge debris. Kota doesn't have many feats, but the few he does have are impessive for a Jedi. All evidence points to him being on par with a Jedi master; the only thing mediocre about him is his lightsaber skill, and even that's debatable.

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#9 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

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No, because someone like Kota, who isn't a special Jedi from the Jedi Order, he was using force waves in TFU. That was my point from the beginning.

And Vader acknowledged the fact that Kota wasn't even a true Jedi Master. Like TFU all you want, that isn't going to change the fact that they were exaggerated in the terms of force powers.

When was Kota using Force Waves? I don't recall this.

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#10 Posted by SolarPowered (1851 posts) - - Show Bio

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For someone who was bitching for multiple posts straight for "proof", the fact you just post this and move on to your next statement is just the epitome of irony.

For the record, that's not a rebuttal. If such quotes exist, it's retconed by other quotes. On the contrary, Revan's stand firm and are not contradicted by anything else.

Ironically, for someone who claims to be so well versed in Star Wars lore that he's pretentious about it (which is laughable), it's amazing that you don't know this.

"Then best of all would be the strongest student, yes? Wisest? Most learned in the ways of the Force?" He nodded. "Best of all, Dooku would be!" His eyes found the other Jedi, one by one: and one by one, they looked away. "Our great student!" Yoda's ears flexed, then drooped. "Our great failure."

Source: Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

Dooku is called the strongest Jedi the Order ever produced. You know who else is in the Jedi Order? Yoda, so that's obviously a lie. As, a matter of fact, Dooku was killed by Anakin in a fair fight, so that discredits the claim even more.

With a near unrivalled knowledge of the Force combined with formidable skill with a lightsaber, Dooku was virtually indomitable.

Source: Insider #109

Near unrivaled knowledge of the Force, which could be considered, but the only proficiency he's only ever demonstrated is tutaminis and Sith lightning. These are force powers that nearly all Sith know, so I would hardly call it unrivaled.

Anyway, the point of all this is, fluff statements aren't going to prove anything. I'm going to need to ask you to calm your fanboyism for Revan for just long enough to realize that unless you're providing feats, nothing you type matters.

Ah, you're one of those guys. I knew you sounded familiar.

One of those guys that wants to see a character actually do what you claim they're capable of? By that logic, I could simply tell you Odin is omnipotent and you'd believe it? Or that Malgus is the "embodiment" of the Dark Side, and you'd believe that as well, wouldn't you? Noted.

They're canon, but that doesn't mean we can't recognize their exaggeration and scale them back (like we do with Clone Wars Adventures comics).

And no, they said films and previous games. Good try though. Basically, they're looking at all past works and intentionally attempt to surpass that due to the Force's exaggerated nature in the game.

Revan being able to effortlessly hurl dozens of meteors also eclipses most feats from previous films and games, so, according to you, we should retcon anything "over-the-top" Revan did in SWTOR? But wait, you have an entire respect thread dedicated to Revan's "exaggerated" feats, so obviously you wouldn't want to abide by your own logic when it comes to Revan, right?

Therefore, taking the feats from what is shown at face value is completely ridiculous. Based on my interactions with you, I shouldn't be that surprised though.

I like how you failed to address that they still aren't comparing the games to the EU, which is where the bulk of the feats in your respect thread come from. I also like how you refused to address that, using your same logic (based on feats from solely the films and games), Revan would be the most powerful force user to exist ever, but that obviously isn't the case.

I could very well say you taking anything Revan did in SWTOR at face value is ridiculous, however, knowing your blatant fanboyism for him, I also shouldn't be surprised.

Your complete and total ignorance is noted, though I'll take upon your challenge and battle you on your on turf. Even in a comparison of feats, Revan can still defeat Starkiller.

Sounds like what someone would say if they desperately wanted to cop out of displaying feats. Noted.

He can handle his Telekinesis and Lightning if he tanked a blast that was approaching the capacity of harming / destroying all life in a one kilometer radius (protags included).

For someone who had the audacity to call me out for being "ironic," this is a disgusting display of hypocrisy. Even still, you have yet to provide a single sliver of proof for any of the claims you've mentioned. You're still just naming things without actually showing anything. Until you find out what evidence is, we have nothing further to discuss.

Revan's Telekinesis has shown greater displays vs Force-users. He completely ragdolled Marr/Shan/Beniko, then incapacitated both their movement and ability to use the Force.

Ragdolling mediocre Force Users is impressive now? Hell, one of these Force Users was utterly stomped twice by Malgus (only defeated him after being amped, and he still managed to resist somewhat), and the other two have literally no impressive feats to name. It's like Vader killing featless, nameless, fodder Jedi Masters as an accolade.

His battlefield experience, technical mastery with a lightsaber, and combat accomplishments will allow him to defeat Starkiller in a duel if he can't beat him through the Force.

Yes, another example of what you are so famous for. All fluff, no substance. I could just as well say Starkiller mowing down armies of Stormtroopers counts as "battlefield experience." I could also say Starkiller mastering every form counts as "technical mastery with a lightsaber."

Do you have any legitimate proof that Revan > Starkiller or not? Because your redundant arguments aren't amusing anymore.