SiycoBat

I've read the Harley Quinn series, Harley and Ivy, Batman: Harley Quinn, and Gotham City Sirens and even watched every episode Harley ever was been in. I don't see how anyone can see anything between Joker and Harley more than what is in front of your eyes. It is very clear that Joker does not love Harley or love Harley in the way that Harley wishes to be loved. It has been validated by many writers, including Paul Dini and Mark Hamill, that what the Joker and Harley have is not just twisted but very dark and brutal at its core and its not suppose to be taken in such a dismissive tone.

To me, Bruce Timm and Paul Dini tried the experiment of "humanizing" the Joker by giving him a companion aka Harley. Since Joker had to be toned for a TV kid audience, adding a sidekick seemed unusual but admittedly interesting for the time being. Later on, the experiment turned into a failure when it was revealed at the very end of TNBA that all they shared was the variant of what you would see in an abusive relationship with Harley always ending up being the punchbag.

In my opinion, trying to put Joker and Harley together is like kicking a dead horse at this point. Trying to force something to happen between them that never will. The two of them will never be able to work out in comics because that means that either one or the other will have to compromise their core MOs in order to possibly have anything together. To make Joker feel something for Harley is like trying to give the Joker a weakness that his core MO will not be able to take without making him look like some villain that is easy to control. It means to give the monster a heart that can be manipulated and Joker is not that type of character to allow anything control him or play into someone else's cards unless the circumstances are completely in his favor.

Try as most of the die-hard romantics that the JxHQ shippers are, unless you have a complete and objective understanding of the Joker's character concerning his interaction with people and approach to common life situations first, trying to make claims that Joker loves Harley is like trying to say that dogs meow and birds bark. The biggest mistake they make is seeing Joker through Harley's eyes and taking Harley's claims as the truth with the justification that Harley knows Joker better than anyone forgetting the core fact that Harley perceives most of the things she sees as looking into the world through rose tinted glasses where everything is like a Looney Tunes cartoon where you are stupid to most adult concepts such as life and death.

Joker knows Harley's feelings for him and uses them for his own means and only tolerates her because of her usefulness to him.

Re-watch BTAS and New Adventures and read the comic additions to those shows if you want to see her in her original costume.

As far as appearances go, PG's problem is not the costume, it's the tacky hair cut. I want her original hairstyle.

@sethysquare said:

WonderSupes for the win. I love it love it love it.

OH THANK GOD SUICIDE SQUAD ISN'T ON HERE! WHEW...!

I don't care or read those 4 so it's no loss on me.

@redwingx said:

@SiycoBat said:

@redwingx said:

@SiycoBat said:

@redwingx said:

@SiycoBat said:

As much I sympathize with Lagoon boy as far being nothing but a rebound for M'gann, it was completely stupid and careless what he did. Now he just made the undercover op a lot more complicated for Nightwing and the gang.

They had better hope that the mission doesn't involve killing Lagoon boy as a way to prove Kaldur's loyalty or the team and especially Kaldur, will be completely screwed.

I'm sick and tired of people hating on Lagoon boy for what Superboy did when he was a newbie to all the freaking time. Seriously, give the kid a break. It's not Lagoons fault that he fell for Superboy's girlfriend.

What? Dude, did I say that I hated Lagoon boy? No.

Do I hate him? No.

Was it stupid for disobeying Nightwing and getting himself caught? Hell yes.

Being M'gann's boyfriend has zero to do with intentionally making an ass out of yourself just to show up a guy you hate (even though that scene with Lagann and Nightwing over the psych link was funny as hell.)

Since you think I hate Lagann, let's have a little heart to heart. I love Lagann. He's my favorite out of the newbies. I like his sense of humor and his jackass attitude.

However, I'm not an apologist nor am I some Superboy/M'gann shipper with an axe to grind over Lagann being M'gann's new man.

I'm simply saying that Lagann's actions could potentially blow the undercover op right out of the water making Kaldur's hard work gone to waste. Think about it, Lagann and Kaldur use to be on the same team. If the Light guys and Black Manta were smart, the most brutal thing that can happen is that they'd make Kaldur put on a show right in front of everybody and kill him for all to see as to prove once and for all who side is he on. If Kaldur obeys them, if you think M'gann will mind-rape him when she sees him for "killing" Artemis, she definitely will kill him if he does really kill Lagann. If he doesn't, his cover will be blown and the team's possibly only chance to get the Light will be crushed.

Do you see what I am getting at here?

The risks of Kaldur actually making out of this undercover op alive was drastically lowered. He may even have to sacrifice his life for Lagann and Artemis to escape if Kaldur's cover ever gets blown.

This isn't about whose suppose to be with who or how similar Superboy is to Lagann, it's about seeing that my favorite character makes it out of an extremely dangerous mission that could cost him his life.

Again, I'm sick and tired of people blaming what happen only on Lagoon boy. Superboy is at faults here to for insulting Lagoons pride. Anyone would have done the same thing as Lagoon boy if your girlfriends ex told you that you were useless.

Again. I like Lagann but he's no angel. Every time I see him and Conner together in the same scene, Lagann is always, ALWAYS the instigator and goes out of his way to rub Conner's face in how his ex is his girlfriend like Connor was the villain. After the way Lagann treated him when it comes to his ex, I think Connor is justified giving a snide comment or 2 if he had to deal with such childish bs over a girl that he was justified breaking up with.

And the kicks part about it is that Connor wasn't even at fault for the break-up, it was M'gann. If anyone out of three who deserves the blame and the hate, it's her. She's the one that decided to get power crazy with her telepathy and violate Connor's head. She's the one that decided to immediately date Lagann after Connor dropped her overly-controlling ass like a hot plate and even has the gall to act like the victim and Connor even called her out on it in "Depths."

As far as I'm concerned, with the way Lagann acts around both Connor and M'gann, Lagann is being fed some bs from M'gann to make Lagann purposely hostile to Connor and whatever she's telling him cannot be pretty or else why would she constantly stay silent when Lagann starts his shit with Connor and let Lagann disrespect him like that? She may not be Connor's girlfriend anymore but he's still her teammate, where's the damn respect?

The damn respect? Lagoon boy wasn't the one who called Superboy useless, especially when he knows that the mission was an important one. As an experience member of the Young Justice, Superboy should have known what could have happened when he called Lagoon boy useless in an such situation. Lagoon boy is an newbie, he let his emotions get the best of him just like Superboy in the past. Superboy has always had a hard time with contolling his emotions, i wouldn't be suprised if he was the one who started the fight btw him and Lagoon boy because of jealousy.

"Useless?" I'm sorry but I'm starting to wonder if you even watched "Depths". I believe Connor's words were before Lagoon boy flew off the handle and got stupid was and I quote "I'll scrounge up a re-breather from the cargo hold to help the rookie out." THAT WAS ALL HE SAID TO NIGHTWING REGARDING LAGANN. And Connor is not the only elder member that calls the newbies "rookies" either and nobody, I mean, NOBODY reacted that strongly after being called a rookie like Lagann did. Lagann was fucking with Connor over M'gann for the longest time and Connor, who tried to be the adult, tried to let it roll off him but it's hard to ignore when your teammate and ex are going out of their way to announce their presence and act as romantic as possible in front of you; deliberately trying to make you do the wrong move and say the wrong thing. And don't even try to tell me that M'gann's attitude was coincidental either because when Lagann messes with Connor, M'gann is always there and NEVER SAYS A FUCKING THING and lets Lagann disrespect him nevermind the fact that Connor is Lagann's superior. I'm telling you, if Superboy is the bad guy here then the entire league would have called out Superboy's behavior. Don't even go there with bringing up Connor's past because even though they acted similar, there were never the same, Connor didn't go in Wally's face (who I might add, had a crush on M'gann back then) when M'gann was officially his girlfriend and shoved their relationship in Wally's face like Lagann and M'gann did with Connor. Connor cannot be totally compared to Lagann. What Lagann and M'gann are doing with Connor is not only wrong but completely fucking immature and childish, especially on M'gann's part when she honestly tries to convince herself that she did absolutely nothing wrong yet it's obvious that she's more unstable and homicidal than Connor ever was in the past and the worst thing about it, she knows and deliberately tries to hide it and feint total ignorance.

I would seriously pick this up if I wasn't strapped for cash and didn't invest in so much DC right now.

All I can say is, Catwoman was beginning to get interesting in the new 52 until Ann Nocienti started being the writer. Bring back Judd Winick so he can re-do the Catwoman #0.

@redwingx said:

@SiycoBat said:

@redwingx said:

@SiycoBat said:

As much I sympathize with Lagoon boy as far being nothing but a rebound for M'gann, it was completely stupid and careless what he did. Now he just made the undercover op a lot more complicated for Nightwing and the gang.

They had better hope that the mission doesn't involve killing Lagoon boy as a way to prove Kaldur's loyalty or the team and especially Kaldur, will be completely screwed.

I'm sick and tired of people hating on Lagoon boy for what Superboy did when he was a newbie to all the freaking time. Seriously, give the kid a break. It's not Lagoons fault that he fell for Superboy's girlfriend.

What? Dude, did I say that I hated Lagoon boy? No.

Do I hate him? No.

Was it stupid for disobeying Nightwing and getting himself caught? Hell yes.

Being M'gann's boyfriend has zero to do with intentionally making an ass out of yourself just to show up a guy you hate (even though that scene with Lagann and Nightwing over the psych link was funny as hell.)

Since you think I hate Lagann, let's have a little heart to heart. I love Lagann. He's my favorite out of the newbies. I like his sense of humor and his jackass attitude.

However, I'm not an apologist nor am I some Superboy/M'gann shipper with an axe to grind over Lagann being M'gann's new man.

I'm simply saying that Lagann's actions could potentially blow the undercover op right out of the water making Kaldur's hard work gone to waste. Think about it, Lagann and Kaldur use to be on the same team. If the Light guys and Black Manta were smart, the most brutal thing that can happen is that they'd make Kaldur put on a show right in front of everybody and kill him for all to see as to prove once and for all who side is he on. If Kaldur obeys them, if you think M'gann will mind-rape him when she sees him for "killing" Artemis, she definitely will kill him if he does really kill Lagann. If he doesn't, his cover will be blown and the team's possibly only chance to get the Light will be crushed.

Do you see what I am getting at here?

The risks of Kaldur actually making out of this undercover op alive was drastically lowered. He may even have to sacrifice his life for Lagann and Artemis to escape if Kaldur's cover ever gets blown.

This isn't about whose suppose to be with who or how similar Superboy is to Lagann, it's about seeing that my favorite character makes it out of an extremely dangerous mission that could cost him his life.

Again, I'm sick and tired of people blaming what happen only on Lagoon boy. Superboy is at faults here to for insulting Lagoons pride. Anyone would have done the same thing as Lagoon boy if your girlfriends ex told you that you were useless.

Again. I like Lagann but he's no angel. Every time I see him and Conner together in the same scene, Lagann is always, ALWAYS the instigator and goes out of his way to rub Conner's face in how his ex is his girlfriend like Connor was the villain. After the way Lagann treated him when it comes to his ex, I think Connor is justified giving a snide comment or 2 if he had to deal with such childish bs over a girl that he was justified breaking up with.

And the kicks part about it is that Connor wasn't even at fault for the break-up, it was M'gann. If anyone out of three who deserves the blame and the hate, it's her. She's the one that decided to get power crazy with her telepathy and violate Connor's head. She's the one that decided to immediately date Lagann after Connor dropped her overly-controlling ass like a hot plate and even has the gall to act like the victim and Connor even called her out on it in "Depths."

As far as I'm concerned, with the way Lagann acts around both Connor and M'gann, Lagann is being fed some bs from M'gann to make Lagann purposely hostile to Connor and whatever she's telling him cannot be pretty or else why would she constantly stay silent when Lagann starts his shit with Connor and let Lagann disrespect him like that? She may not be Connor's girlfriend anymore but he's still her teammate, where's the damn respect?

@redwingx said:

@SiycoBat said:

As much I sympathize with Lagoon boy as far being nothing but a rebound for M'gann, it was completely stupid and careless what he did. Now he just made the undercover op a lot more complicated for Nightwing and the gang.

They had better hope that the mission doesn't involve killing Lagoon boy as a way to prove Kaldur's loyalty or the team and especially Kaldur, will be completely screwed.

I'm sick and tired of people hating on Lagoon boy for what Superboy did when he was a newbie to all the freaking time. Seriously, give the kid a break. It's not Lagoons fault that he fell for Superboy's girlfriend.

What? Dude, did I say that I hated Lagoon boy? No.

Do I hate him? No.

Was it stupid for disobeying Nightwing and getting himself caught? Hell yes.

Being M'gann's boyfriend has zero to do with intentionally making an ass out of yourself just to show up a guy you hate (even though that scene with Lagann and Nightwing over the psych link was funny as hell.)

Since you think I hate Lagann, let's have a little heart to heart. I love Lagann. He's my favorite out of the newbies. I like his sense of humor and his jackass attitude.

However, I'm not an apologist nor am I some Superboy/M'gann shipper with an axe to grind over Lagann being M'gann's new man.

I'm simply saying that Lagann's actions could potentially blow the undercover op right out of the water making Kaldur's hard work gone to waste. Think about it, Lagann and Kaldur use to be on the same team. If the Light guys and Black Manta were smart, the most brutal thing that can happen is that they'd make Kaldur put on a show right in front of everybody and kill him for all to see as to prove once and for all who side is he on. If Kaldur obeys them, if you think M'gann will mind-rape him when she sees him for "killing" Artemis, she definitely will kill him if he does really kill Lagann. If he doesn't, his cover will be blown and the team's possibly only chance to get the Light will be crushed.

Do you see what I am getting at here?

The risks of Kaldur actually making out of this undercover op alive was drastically lowered. He may even have to sacrifice his life for Lagann and Artemis to escape if Kaldur's cover ever gets blown.

This isn't about whose suppose to be with who or how similar Superboy is to Lagann, it's about seeing that my favorite character makes it out of an extremely dangerous mission that could cost him his life.