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Posted By SithRevenant

@killbilly: Except for the fact that character fallibility is the only argument to be made here, and yet both Avellone and other sources confirm the veracity of her statements.

Vitiate's identity as a Sith is fraudulent as confirmed by the character himself and both the Lead Writer Hall Hood and the Creative Director Charles Boyd of BioWare Austin. He's no more Sith than Plagueis is a businessman by the name of Hego Damask.

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@killbilly: Chris Avellone absolutely has the authority to clarify statements he wrote in a project that he was both Head Writer and Lead Director for.

Vitiate wasn't a Sith, I'm not referring to Sheev.

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@killbilly: Chris Avellone himself confirmed their veracity. Infact, they underestimated the scope of his power if anything as is confirmed by the script. Vitiate is not beneath Sidious when he himself was never a real Sith, as is confirmed by numerous sources and authorities on the matter.

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@freedon_nadd_1: You're literally just inventing a reason to dismiss a perfectly obvious quote. There are numerous other quotes that state Vitiate is absolutely the most powerful Force-user the galaxy's ever seen by TOR. Don't turn my blog post into another of your rants.

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@killbilly: I'm glad we're beginning to expand on this.

Nihilus' hunger and power are one in the same, it gets stronger and more demanding each time he feeds:

Darth Nihilus is literally a destroyer of worlds, powered by an insatiable hunger that drives him to consume greater and greater populations.

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Something explained quite thoroughly here:

While illness cannibalizes his body, a vast emptiness devours his humanity. Then, when all seems lost, he discovers that his emptiness hungered. The first time, he fed it unconsciously. Draining another being's life is frightening, nauseating, but for a euphoric moment, the memories, the illness, the hunger disappeared.

But it proves insatiable. The more he indulges it, the shorter the satisfaction lasts and the more severe the hunger becomes. He begins feeding relentlessly, still always craving. Existence again becomes unbearable, but then hope materializes. A blind Sith Lord appears. She has felt his existence like a gaping wound in the Force. The Force, she explains, fuels his hunger, and she will show him how to devour worlds. The Sith and the Force are meaningless to him, but the hunger must be appeased.

Darth Traya indeed teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-craving gift to radical heights – so effectively in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double cross. However, as Nihilus greedily consumes entire planets' life energy, the dark side macerates him even faster. But no matter. Nothing matters except his hunger. Before it devours him totally, Nihilus uses its power to displace his persona into his robes and armor. As his useless body disintegrates, he becomes living primitive intention; at last, the whole of the galaxy becomes food – for Nihilus has become the hunger.

Ousting Traya with Darth Sion's help, Nihilus binges on the Force, nearly extinguishing the Jedi forever at Katarr.

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It's a loop of hunger, fuel, power and hunger again. It was only getting more and more drastic in scale:

"He cares nothing for the Sith or its teachings, or the Jedi. And when the Jedi are dead, he will feed on the galaxy, the Republic, and eventually, consume the Sith as well."

Credit: Darth Traya, KOTOR 2

Visas Marr concurs:

"Perhaps he will grow strong enough to eradicate all life, merely with his presence."

Credit: Visas Marr, KOTOR 2

By the time of Telos IV, it's said that he can destroy Citadel Station:

"Then her lies will mean the planet's destruction, he will destroy all of Telos. He will turn it to fire again and crush the planet beneath him. He will devour them all, murder them all."

"If there are no Jedi here, then my Lord cannot feed his hunger. He will destroy the planet, the station, he will cleanse it of life. Even if the people below are not Force Sensitive, the small amount he can feed on from the mass destruction of the station, and the life of the planet, will sustain him a while longer."

Credit: Visas Marr and Colonel Tobin, KOTOR 2

As far as I see it, that is all pretty clear cut, and renders any other context regarding the two feats irrelevant. That's how vast his power increase from Malachor V to Telos IV is.

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Posted By SithRevenant

@killbilly:

I wasn't really taking into account a pit stop on the way there, though. Because I don't consider it all that relevant. Though if you want to argue it is, that's your prerogative.

Because here's the thing, those six months had events that occur on either end of them. They actually have an enormous effect on Marek's power. But it's not because of growth via potential. It's a mindset entered upon surviving Vader's betrayal. Infact, he outright states that the power he felt after the fact made everything he had done prior to said betrayal irrelevant.

So he's not just going from Kota to Sheev in three months, it's a considerably more complex growth in mindset that gives him quite possibly the biggest amount of growth in the entire novel.

So I am afraid those 9 days, from my point of view, most certainly do not even begin to cover draining numerous planets of all life and energy, an exponential growth rate that only gets more and more severe as his power grows.

As far as Galen having used the Force heavily prior to this goes, given that in the feat itself it is stated that he'd reached further into his Force reserves than ever before, and went even further, I'm not sure what else this means bar Galen having massive Force reserves.

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@killbilly: You said 'weeks' which in general vernacular means exactly what it says on the tin. Oh and, it certainly wasn't three months, given the six months that he spends inert.

Oh and, that statement in Insider on its face is clearly incorrect given Anakin is canonically stated to have the potential of the Ones. Not to mention, Nihilus' state of being renders Force potential irrelevant. The same can be said for Valkorion, naturally.

I'm still not seeing how you think this potential compares to a being whose power goes from feeding on a single person to the populations of entire planets. And if Traya is to be believed, left unchecked too long, his power would eventually reach solar system levels.

I know what context you're referring to. But your analogy of Kota to Sheev is just as aptly applied for Nihilus on Malachor to Nihilus in his prime. Yet he isn't just experiencing 10% of his growth, he's experiencing almost all of it.

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@killbilly: The context being that Nihilus was on a shattered planet that was constantly suffering under a crushing gravity well.

The feat itself consists of numerous cruisers and capital ships being pulled against an extremely powerful gravity well.

So not only is Nihilus facing far graver circumstances due to the environment, but his feat is much better.

And as I have pointed out, Nihilus' power multiplied.

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@killbilly: You said weeks, which you just proved I was right to say was wrong. Given the Rogue Shadow has a class 0.5 hyperdrive, then it's going to take a day.

9 days of completely speculative power growth is absolutely insignificant compared to draining numerous planets of life and Force energy. It's not even debatable.

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@killbilly: Except there were no weeks, re-read the novel. He goes straight to a meeting of the Rebels, gets tracked to said meeting by Vader, who then captures the leaders and takes them to the Death Star. With Galen in pursuit.

Whatever power growth he had would've been marginal. Each time Nihilus feeds his power/hunger grows exponentionally. Each time, it gets more and more extensive. His power growth would've been enormous in magnitude, one could even go as far as to say his power doubled, or more. Not even counting for the psychic energies across the Republic he could feed from.

That's why he's holding his ship together with sheer force of will and had the power to destroy Citadel Station by the time of Telos IV.

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