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Round 1 I might say Hespera, since you've hindered Wenwu quite a bit. Round 2 I could see Wenwu winning if he keeps his distance, but one solid hit from Hespera should probably be enough to do him in.

@cryolancer47: While I agree there's enough here to infer that Kelleren is skilled, I don't really think it's enough to justify saying he'd win, and certainly not easily.

Also, I'm glad that Ahmed Best finally got to play a good SW character. :)

Grundy feats?

@ultimateasskick: That's just Round 2. There are five other rounds ;)

@professorrespect: OK, cool.

I'm getting the sense that there's a lot of salt regarding Ultimate Marvel characters for some reason. Gives me a lot of incentive to not use them as much here going forwards.

Basically an excuse to do a bunch of different Superman/Thor team-ups. How many are successful?

Round 1: Early GA Superman and Unworthy Thor Vs. Prime Earth Ocean Master

and

Vs.

Round 2: Post-Crisis Earth-1 Superman and Young Thor Vs. Doctor Doom

and

Vs.

Round 3: New Earth Superman and Standard Thor Vs. Prime Earth Zod and Faora

and

Vs.

Round 4: Rebirth Superman (Post-Fusion of New Earth and Prime Earth) and Thor with two Mjolnirs Vs. The Destroyer Armor

and

Vs.

Round 5: Sun-Dipped Superman and Warrior Madness Thor Vs. Sinestro-Parallax and Sinestro Corps Cyborg Superman

Vs.

Round 6: Blue Sun Superman and Thor with Gauntlet and Shield of Odin Vs. Thanos

and

Vs.

Rounds 1-3 take place in Metropolis, Rounds 4 and 5 take place at the Bifrost Bridge, and 6 takes place on a desolate planet orbiting a blue sun.

Eh, I disagree. I think PR's done a convincing enough job of showing that the two aren't equal. The Hyperion scaling alone points in the direction of one being superior to the other. I don't think it's a "poor argument", frankly.

@cergic: Riddler's good with prep, but he isn't unbeatable. He usually plans his crimes in advance but has been thwarted by Batman before. But then, I did this one because I was hoping for some arguments / insight for one or the other.

@nefarious: Can that conceivably be avoided by using a "drunken master" style of fighting?

@odin619360: Well, there is this for Hawk-Owl:

Take it as you will.