ShootingNova

If they're not beating Sidious, they're not beating Yoda. The gap between them is marginal at best.Moreover, continuity establishes a strong precedent for two lesser opponents being unable to overcome...

Judging by the time of thread creation, this is KotOR Revan, an iteration who scales below TPM Mace and Dooku. Obi-Wan takes this.

@zapan871 said:That doesn't make it even remotely canon, but if you want to use alternate endings, while it isn't really relevant to this specific thread, in TFU 2 Vader stood up after enduring Starki...

@sonofdarkness said: Bane should win.Banite scaling is flawed. We know that Palpatine killed Plagueis in his sleep, idk why people just automatically assume that each apprentice was more powerful than...

@abrokentwig: If you knew AP from 2014, then I might know you? Unless you were a lurker. I can't say I was spending my break thinking about this stuff, but I'm sure I think about some things different...

@zapan871:The Sidious Starkiller is facing here is at least far weaker, and I was focusing more on Vader, who endured a more potent version of this "amped" Galen's attack anyway (note that I don't hav...

Technically by narrative intent, Obi-Wan as of TPM is already a cream of the crop swordsman. It's entirely conceivable that he's able to take on Bane with a blade, but he's probably outclassed with re...

@hellothere5432: While I'm sorry to drive away anyone who appears to appreciate decency and respectfulness, I honestly didn't have that impression of you at first. You idolised a racist who went aroun...

@abrokentwig: It's the one by LadyKulvax. The 2014 one was made by ILS.Also, just going to acknowledge your other post here; I assume I don't know you, but thanks.

@tainted_rem: Someone might argue it, but it's not what I believe.

Achieving Oneness is a circumstantial showing and not really something we can use to meaningfully compare characters.

@hellothere5432:'There is no way to know whether Mace sensed Dooku's or even properly sensed Maul's power. 5 decades and 2 decades are not comparable at all. A master being 50 years younger than a app...

@zapan871:Of course Marek was, with the novel even describing his nerves as going on fire among other things IIRC, and I don't doubt he would have eventually lost in a different scenario, my point is ...

@wollfmyth209: Lumiya struggled in a telekinetic contest against Nelani Dinn, who is pretty non-descript.Lumiya tends to struggle in close quarters, which is why I'm not entirely sure, but you're righ...

Caedus' exceptional pain tolerance and tendency to get stronger from that will probably be a major help against someone like Dooku who tends to land non-fatal blows. Lumiya's powers are subpar but giv...

Consider also that most of the quotes regarding post-suit Vader's superiority precede the prequels and are clearly not written with pre-suit Vader in mind. A comparison of just how many quotes indicat...

@hellothere5432: Yup, it's the last one. Like I said, the source material itself plays out from Maul's own perspective, which is confirmed to be unreliable upon the fight's conclusion. The sourcebook ...

Isn't there an actual quote saying that Maul challenged and nearly killed Sidious? The source material alone isn't very favourable to Maul, since IIRC Sidious came in with a training saber and barely ...

@darthor:And GG typically do not use a direct form, but rather just use a mix of all the forms. Not to mention Anakin also lacking physical feats compared to GG, but yet still managed to overpower Doo...

@darthor: Djem So isn't an inherent advantage in of itself, only if you already carry the greater physicals to make it work.I don't see any reason to believe that Ulic has vastly greater physicals. He...