@geekryan:
We're still missing the whole you know getting attacked, getting thrown the opposite direction by winds that have thrown Hulk, swept up Human Torch or shoved Spaceships into each other etc.
I'm not saying she's gonna be taking 5-10 seconds running for the shore but any time turning her back or leaping in the air is an opening.
You realize that lightning striking the ocean won't do a single thing to Mera, right? The lightning will not conduct throughout the entire ocean. Storm would have to strike very close to Mera, and I already showed how a weakened Mera can dodge lightning.
Does Mera fight 15+ ft submerged in the ocean where she probably can't see her opponent that's 50ft in the air? The entire time? Why is Storm only attacking then?
You showed Mera dodging lighting aimed from a staff that was pretty small, that's different to much bigger lightning from the sky or large aoe.
Storm would likely need to be above the water in order to see Mera and target her.
Since when does Mera immediately hide the ocean? I feel like she's reeeaalllyyy overpreparing herself in your scenario for someone she doesn't know. Unless you have consistent scans of her fighting this way? I just haven't seen her put as much water between herself and her opponent before outside of water.
Even then, if Storm decides to stay on the beach, it makes it even easier for Mera to just bombard her with tidal waves:
Again is this her strategy often? Why can’t Storm just fly above it? A tidal wave (let alone overcompensating one) is not dangerous to her, Mera has better options but I think we both know that Mera using her more focused attacks against Storm is gonna be hard if she's for some reason staying well below the surface.
So when this doesn't work we know that surely Mera is coming out and actually fighting normally what's going to happen.
And this tidal wave was done by a weakened Mera unintentionally, so just imagine what a full-powered Mera can do with intention.
Well we can imagine it or you can show what she actually does, cuz if imagining is all there is to show then I see that as arguing the power more than representing the character and how they use it. Id love to say she can just send a mile wide ef5 tornado qjile sitting on the edge of space and be done but that not something she does.
Not to say she can't do this, but again there's the question of well how is Mera targeting her if she's that deep in the water herself.
As for Mera's speed, there's her fight against Ocean Master, in which she was still weakened. In this fight, we see Mera dodging Ocean Master's lightning twice, tagging him with a water blast and then blitzing him at blur speeds, dodging his trident attack at blur speed, tagging him again, dodging him again, tanking his blast, and then beating him via draining. As I said, Ocean Master's physicals are on par with Aquaman, both of whom are significantly faster than Storm.
I'm talking about her attacks though, I agree if she's submerged with her or very close to Storm on land its game over. But her attacks are another thing, especially reaching someone that's not immediately next to it. So let's say if Jean took her place and you thought that Jean would shield on time or attack her before she reached the water, that's what I'm arguing for Storm.
Right before New-52, Mera contended against Black Lantern Wonder Woman, who is immortal and morals off: https://imgur.com/gallery/u4zFQby. Mera landed a killing blow, but WW just healed due to being a Black Lantern. Again, Wonder Woman's speed is far above Storm's on a consistent basis
If that WW fight is before New 52 does that count in her current continuity? That whole thing confuses me lmao. So again I absolutely agree WW is far above Storm in physical speed but its her powers that's the contender here. Like when Mera couldn't handle Flash's speed but her power can.
And again, her fight against the Justice League: https://imgur.com/a/fI3Nm. Yes they were holding back, but Mera was also weakened at the time. This is the context:
And she still managed to tag them and down them in different ways
And it's a great showing of her aquakinesis capabilities but she's getting the drop on them to be fair even if she's weakened. Like Storm once sent the Avengers flying with a bolt just as a warning but they themselves were not prepared. Tho It is showing her instant power activation, I still wonder what a water projectile is moving at.
As for Mera's speed vs. Aquaman's speed, Mera claims to be faster: https://imgur.com/a/tG5EC. There's also the fact that they have fought together on dozens of occasions and there was never a significant speed discrepancy between them. She has even blasted him from a short distance before he could react:
He didn't want to hurt her, but there's no reason for him to not try and dodge the attack.
Aquaman's physicals are around Wonder Woman's level,
So after reading that Aquaman RT I see a lot of energy/laser dodging and bullet blocking, something the likes of Rogue, Spiderman and Wolverine do (even Storm on many occasions tho with her power usually and its aim dodging), but it's like is it not aim dodging for at least some of them for him?
Even then again the combat speed is on that much higher level but that's not entirely new. Looking at his speed compared to X-23 or Wolverine its not that different, tho when it comes to characters they fight I could be totally off. Tho I do think Aquaman and Mera are faster, I think its worth mentioning Storm has used her powers before Wolverine could react. And did what Rachel failed to do, who got tagged by X-23 faster than she could think and intercepted her leap before she reached Wolverine at very close range.
And look at what Mera has done to Superman on LAND:
Wasn’t he not only holding back but not nearly at full strength? I’ve found that he was split in two.
Attacks like wind and ice and heat won't do much to Mera when she's in or on the ocean.
I’ll highlight that a main part of my argument is that she attacks before she's safe underwater assuming that is Mera’s first move. If she's not, that is absolutely hurting or throwing her for a loop.
Her durability is good enough to take Storm's wind blasts, and she can't be knocked against anything except back into the water.
It can disorient her and batter her, shove her back to the ground and keep her suspended in the air for clear attacks. I don’t think wind alone is KOing her but it's absolutely gonna make it hell.
Storm can't freeze the entire ocean, so Mera will always have somewhere to go, and same goes for heat.
Again this scenario that you make it sound like will always happen and always negate any attack from Storm is far from how I’ve seen Mera fight at least consistently. She won’t freeze the entire ocean, just her body.
Aight about the heat vision.
Unfazed by swimming through lava (link) ***Note: lava can reach temperatures of over 2000 F***
Links not working for me but I’ve seen it on your CAV so unless there’s more scans to the scenario: She’s not swimming in lava, Aquman even says to get the people closest to it and the people aren’t even in it, did she actually swim through the lava the next scan?
Additionally, Mera is able to withstand massive amounts of pressure due to her underwater adaptation. There is essentially no maximum depth or pressure she can't swim in.
I’m not sure that’s the same as being in an instant and massively dramatic drop of pressure, or how that means she’s negating wind, extreme cold and heat.
The deep parts of the Atlantic Ocean often reach temperatures of 32 degrees Fahrenheit, or 0 degrees Celsius. To make a comparison, water temperature around 60F (or 15C) is considered very dangerous to humans...
So wind, ice, and heat aren't going to do much.
I’m confused, is 32 degrees supposed to be the same as taking on Storm’s cold? Mera is built for swimming at that temperature and she’s not a normal human, but neither was the Brood Queen that shrugged off Binary striking it but was defeated by a battering blizzard freezing it to its bones, or Dracula who desperately wanted to escape, or the Arakki made of molten lava she made yield with such cold, or Shaw as she nearly sapped his full strength from.
A flash freeze would slow her down, and wind has more purposes than koing her.
As for hax: you counted 12 instances of Storm using hax throughout her almost 50 year history and 1700 appearances. Compared to Mera, who only started using draining/dehydration in New-52, so within the last 10 years, and she has used it or attempted to use it 7 times: on a cop, on Dead Water, on 3 soldiers, an attempt on Black Manta, on Ocean Master, on Flash, and on The Eel.
So Storm has 12 times in almost 50 years; Mera has 7 times in 10 years. Which is more consistent?
Storm *hasn’t always* been able to do hax, let alone the new developments she’s made. She beat that Arakki Omega Mimic that made the mistake of turning into her old version who was not as experienced as the current Storm, who made that example by staging she could freeze the blood and fluids of her body. She hadn’t even adapted internal air manipulation/pressure until 2008. Idk how many other characters get written as badly as: What she can’t do anything in space! She can’t make it rain inside a building. There’s no weather in Hell how can Storm use her powers even though Iceman is right there using his. Hey checkout Storm koed off panel in this issue as she’s shoved in the background, diversity am I right!
So even if we take in the past 14 years only for Storm, because we realize that characters do in fact develop their powers as Storm even states, and don’t pretend that we should count the years prior as simply not choosing to do it and look at the years after to *actually see* what is consistent. She’s done air manipulation 3 times and wanted to do 2 more. Used freezing and flash freezing temps 3 times and heat 1 time, and gave Sinister a seizure. Not counting the times she wanted to, that’s 8 hax.
But wait! What has she done in the past 10 months alone? Froze the Arakki, froze one of the lethal legion, exploded the cloned armada or whatever of them, froze Yuu, froze Vulcan and fried his insides.
That’s 6 in 10 months to 7 in 10 *years*
And then we count the past 14 years of new hax, on top of her using freezing temps for decades and external air affecting how people breathe.
If Ewing hadn't come along I guess you could have a point with that 1 extra, but you can’t possibly argue consistency against the woman nearly caught up to what Mera's done in ten years in ten months.
I'm gonna guess Storm's hax is still far more consistent to this scenario of Mera immediately submerging and never coming out as if she can see her opponent far out the water. Unless that gets completely disproven I don't think there is any capacity you can bring the consistency arguments here of all places.
Storm has some impressive showings, and she is powerful, but she is still a glass cannon who is much slower than Mera in terms of combat speed and reaction speed.
I even did this exact fight as a CaV and I won 6-0:
Yeah I read it but there was so much lowballing to put it plainly, Purple did it too but bless em I don't think they have the showings saved to really counter some stuff.
Just stuff like Storm's lightning being inconsistent she can't even ko a human with a charged bolt, she can't tag Kraven, no attack will touch or harm Mera….yeaahhhh.
Like again wind and freezing temps isn't *beating* her but its a very effective attack to slow her down and stop her from effectively attacking, giving Storm openings. Mera can dodge very small and target lighting from a staff, but what about massive or multiple bolts from angles she can't predict nor know it's coming from, especially if Mera is within but not submerged so far down the water.
That's some arguments not really made nor answered there or here.
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