@father_sky_ouranos:
I'm sorry, but that is literally what happened, and everything about how these characters operate are unscientific, so I'm not even sure why you are bringing a straw man argument where that can be said literally about every fiction.
How is it a strawman that before our very eyes we see Kyoshi do something the Hulk couldn't do physically and is not only a massive outlier but this air does literally no damage to the people it's affecting and the landmass.
If this is so obvious and usable, why don't you ever see someone say Avatars can blow the entire Avengers to the moon or blow away NY? I hate people who try to use scientific reasoning but this is objectively too far to be believable. If Storm did this, despite having far more consistent power levels, I'd be baffled, and obviously her own powers are beyond scientific reasoning. Like I'm not saying oh firebending somehow has a physical force to it that's against science, this is its own level of…what do you even quantify that as. You don't even know based on the fact that you said it's comparable to a hurricane, but I ain't ever heard of no hurricane sending an island across the ocean lmao.
Idk man just after being a part of the fanbase for so long and how literally no one mentions it and puts other feats above it, whenever it is used it seems to be by the few who grasp at making the Avatars as powerful as possible to the point of going against what the show consistently shows. Like why didn't Roku just blow down the Volcano, it would've taken a fraction of the power. Why are compressed air blasts not moving at anything beyond what's believable so a million times below what would've been required for that. Why does airbending have a better feat of moving earth than earthbending? Well the obvious answer to that is it was earthbending.
At the end of the day if that's what you wanna go with then great, but your own conclusion of it is confusing, how powerful do you think her wind is? No more than a hurricane or…obviously a million times stronger?
Why would she need to keep the army away if she is moving the island across the sea? You think they would just jump right into the lava pit where Shin the great fell to his death to try & go after her? That is baffling to be honest, besides she flung most of the army away in the first place, the last lines were the ones that ran away.
They can attack? Makes far more sense that she's suppressing the army and Shin than this air moving an island literally not budging humans lol. They weren't the flung they were running away, you see them on both sides running off screen.
The fact of the matter is that she did it & they showed it, whether they represented every single physical variable or not, this is done in fiction everywhere,
Well we see Shin and regular people negate this air attack so idk why Storm would budge then.
even the feat shown by @pyrofn where Storm creates an F5 tornado contained within a room in a couple of seconds, scientifically speaking, that amount of energy being released in that small time frame would had generated a lot more power & Emma Frost would had been messed up just like that other mutant.
Storm has the feats backing her showing she has that level of control. This same woman created a hurricane above NY to destroy a Sentinel without shattering a window. Kyoshi is literally directly using the air on Shin and the army taking the brunt of it and it's barely doing anything above hurricane levels. And this doesn't go against or far beyond anything ever shown by her, while the Kyoshi feat does. It's not that it's scientifically impossible, it's that even at face value it contradicts itself.
And again you say this is below a tornado, so what do you even quantify this as? Is it island moving or is it not budging a human?
Artists aren't scientists & they will not go through the trouble of trying to depict every single thing as scientifically accurate as possible, much less if the universe revolves around spiritual energy/magic.
Of course, but then there's multiple frames of the army running away plus the sound effect of people running added. It completely contradicts what's being shown if airbending the island away is the way you wanna put it. You say saying otherwise is baffling like it makes more sense to write that the same air that jets an island to sea is not budging soldiers and they are running away.
So, I mean, we can play that fallacious nit pick at scientific inaccuracies within fictitious characters that break the laws of physics in the first place if you wish, but that will be a losing game for everyone.
You don't even know how strong that wind is though, its island moving but its below a tornado you said. And what about the other instances of more powerful compressed airbending and Korra making the most powerful wind possible showing far below that? It's not just a "eh didn't look right" thing like I've explained, but it's also a massive outlier.
Now going back to the debate, Roku also made a large rift across an island & was fighting a volcano that seemed either VEI5 like Vesuvius or VEI6 like the Krakatoa volcano……Now, I'm not going to exaggerate stating that Roku & the Avatars can tank 100,000 WW2 era nukes, but he is durable & powerful enough to fight a VEI5 volcanic eruption right in the middle of the heat while also simulataniously inhaling deadly gases, that can literally poison & kill thousands of people across a large region & he was right in the middle of it, but he was too old & kept taking fat hits of volcanic gas.
I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove. Roku lost to a Volcano, all he did was literally break the opposite tip of the thing to have the lava spill away from his village and once the smaller one also exploded you see him be defeated. He blew away some releases of gas and lava.
Is this like Storm=nature=natural disaster= Roku didn't immediately die to one therefore this is relevant.
The fact that you even mention "tanking 100,000 WW2 era nukes" is baffling. Of course not? Roku literally did nothing to the Volcano and died. The "lightning timer" got blizzard by a release of gas, couldn't do much against an element he controls because of its "endless" amount and didn't have the power to stop it.
Speaking of Kratakoa, the X-Men fought Magneto in his base a mile below a live volcano. Once the main controls were blasted and it destabilized the lava started spilling in the place and was "gonna go up like Krakatoa." Storm froze the lava flow saving the X-Men: https://imgur.com/a/mF6Bi3V
But anyway, yeah idk what getting overwhelmed by a Volcano proves. Being near heat, attacking small releases of poisonous gas and blowing away lava is not translating to fighting someone like Storm. Putting a number on it doesn't make it more impressive, he didn't tank the force of a volcano. And while you didn't say that, even mentioning it doesn't mean much.
It literally did nothing to the Phoenix, it made her loose concentration & the next thing is Colossus jumping to punch her & she is fine, also Colossus is what, an 80 toner? So now are we also going to try to put him at Phoenix level because he also caught her by surprise with that punch? Let's not go there.
This is early days Phoenix, who was weakened as I said. No this doesn't put her at Phoenix levels lmao, Magneto even beat this Phoenix. This is still someone far more powerful than Avatars that "was battered mercilessly". The person that posted it said no different.
Like no I'm not doing the equivalent of listing the energy equivalent of a volcano and hint that an Avatar could handle the power of 100 thousand nukes because they barely affected it lol. It speaks for itself and nothing was said differently.
Johnny admitted he wasn't even fighting her to actually harm or kill her, he said it was just "some stupid contest" so he really wasn't even serious, so we don't even know at what level was he going, he pretty much let himself get wrecked, he even de-powering himself... Also another thing, even though you did not mention it, Storm mentions that her winds can level mountains, just a statement, but Kyoshi literally showed her air bending can move islands & you want to say it's not a valid feat. Could you also show some feats for Pyro that show he has more power than Ozai with the comet's boost?
No, all fighters are drugged via nanites to only care about the contest and win. He's not holding back, he breaks free of the influence briefly when he's about to attempt murdering her but that's when he holds back letting himself lose. Like my man he literally tries to drop a building on her lmao, respectfully don't make up your own conclusions if you haven't read it. He literally says the only way he could maybe win is by trying to kill her and that's because her focus is diverted carrying a flipping building. You can't just ignore that because in the end he didn't try and take his last shot he admitted wasn't even a guarantee. Everything before hand is owning him, most importantly easily snuffing out his flames and even his own plasma form. So when I say she's not gonna be bothered by their attacks i.e. fire this is what I mean. A far more powerful fire user is snuffed out.
Storm didn't just say she could level mountains, she directly compared the power she was using. Tho of course since it's just a statement I don't take it as literal as her doing it.
Pyro's flame constructs are able to become intense enough to lift Colossus and turn him white hot, essentially turning him into a burning meteor that once hits the ground instantly turns anything flammable bear him aflame with such heat. He's also melted guns and turned a T-Rex to bones (there's more on his RT on Reddit with some of the feats I mentioned): https://imgur.com/a/yz69QJN
So nitpicking to divert from my point aside, any firebending is useless.
To begin with, the robot she destroys is not the one taking the "near-nova blasts", it is completely different
…they're all enhanced with it. That's literally the whole point of him stealing the vibranium in Wakanda to enhance himself and Doombofs lmao. But here's a scan of Rhodes saying the doombots they're facing are made of mysticalled charged vibranium that have adaptive technology. Again questions and clarifications are good and dandy, but trying to create your own interpretation of a story that you haven’t read is not working. Like come on.
& we don't even know the percentage of vibranium in each individual robot, are they 100% vibranium? Do all have the same amount of vibranium in them?
Again nitpicking to diverge from my point. Literally what does it matter what percentage they are enhanced with vibranium? It's enough to shrug off near nova flames and Wakandan weapons. The Avatars and everyone else are not doing the same, obviously. Nor are any defenses stronger than that.
If so, why she did not just rip the one that was tanking Human Torch like she did with the other one.
…Because a bolt of lightning did the job?
Also War Machine blasted one of those robots apart with a small rocket, are those anti-vibranium rockets? Or are Storm wind's around the same power as that small rocket & not all robots are equally as durable & only some have some vibranium in them.
Trying to make technology made by Tony Stark seem weak is pretty funny. I don't read Iron Man at all but I'm pretty sure this is top notch armor that could also solo this team, if it's even half as good as Iron Man's weapons taking out that doombot should not be surprising at all. The doombots are not invulnerable, they're adapting.
Sooo again all you seem to do is nitpick the feats I'm giving you, make up your own narrative of the scene, and then ignore that it still proves my point. You're not disproving my point at all that she's doing more damage than anything an Avatar has done, to something far more durable than anyone here.
I already mentioned this. Most of the characters she is fighting are lightning timers or scale to said lightning timers, and said lightning timers & or re-directed lightning shot much closer to them than from the sky,
Then Storm's a lightning timer, no light timer, and since her powers have blitzed people with faster reactions than herself I guess her powers are MFTL. That makes as much sense as these guys being casual lightning timers:
I'm sorry but they're not, there's what 4 scenes total of lightning timing and each time the lightning is slow as, compared to the dozens of anti feats of getting tagged, surprised or putting full effort into dodging. Since when is that acceptable to pretend the outlier is the norm, especially scaling everyone and their mother to that level to make it consistent which is just silly. If that's acceptable, then why is Storm blitzing characters with superhuman reaction time like dodging lasers ridiculous lol? I actually don't get it.
her attacks are not "instant", they are fast but she is not blitzing multiple lightning timers,
I'm interested to see what your response is then to her handling lightning, because if that's enough to say everyone here is a lightning timer, then Storm is one and everyone including people with faster reactions time is as well, and her powers were activated before they could react so. By that same logic yes, she is blitzing lightning timers. Or more accurately she's blitzing the guys that consistently have trouble with projectile bending.
much less if said lightning timers had casually performed large scale feats already by only briefly harnessing the Avatar state, not going all out with it.
So you're telling me this:
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Is the same speed as this:
Not to mention that some benders can bend with their mind, like Combustion Man & Amon, who can blood bend with just his mind.
Combustion man sends projectiles and breathes before he sends it, Amon again is still at most the only one here as her equal in power activation but lightning>>bloodbending in speed.
Amon can blood bend with his mind, no movement needed,
Concentration and being alive is.
Zaheer also bend the air out of someone's lungs, no projectile needed there either,
Only did this to people who couldn't fight back i.e. dying Korra and the Earth Queen. Literally took multiple seconds to even start and even longer to fully suffocate the queen to death. Even saying he could beat a decent bender with this move is reaching, they could easily interrupt him, so imagine doing this to someone who could suffocate everyone there faster with more ease.
and again, her creations are not instant, fast but not fast enough to blitz lightning timers.
Yes it is, when it's formed with a thought that's instant. Idk what else you'd describe it as.
Johnny was going at an unspecified speed, we just know it was fast, he then stopped & got caught by surprise while monologuing to himself & being cocky over the competition, he wasn't even serious, of course she was able to pin him down, but you need to do a massive stretch to say she can catch multiple lightning timers going for the kill at the same time.
Well they've faced slower and hilariously less powerful characters than Storm that have handled and escaped some of their fury sooooo…
I'm not sure what your take on the Johnny instance is trying to prove. Cuz what it clearly shows is she has the windpower to completely overwhelm them and any attack they have. Why? Well I have to repeat myself but all of their attacks (save Amon) are projectiles. Projectiles that have been dodged and countered.
Storm attacks and the entire team is instantly "caught off guard" with her weather effects, they attack by doing some movement that lifts and throws an element. Like yes she will catch them all at the same time and before those projectiles reach her, does that Johnny instance not spell that out? She could catch them all with lightning, a tornado, freeze them whatever with a thought. Its one thing to say they can react to lightning, but unless you're saying their elements move at the same speed I have no idea what's not clear about the fact her powers are very effective in dealing with them all and overpowering them before their attacks are even fired let alone reach her.
Multiple fighters here can also fly & give chace to her.
She can fly to the upper atmosphere in seconds and has broken the sound barrier. She's also you know gonna attack, should attack even at the same time. No one here is staying in the sky for longer than she'll allow it. Recall her taking out the space fleet with ease.
They don't need to pull a massive attack to take her down, massive efforts will only be needed to deal with her massive attacks,
So what, a water whip, a burst of fire or tip of a pillar is what you imagine is gonna take her down? Also all their efforts combined is not dealing with her attacks, until they get past island level that notion is far from being accurate. Nor can they even control some her power, and they ain't breaking her control either.
but to actually hurt her, she just needs a good hit by any of the fighters, either a ice spike,
Oh…you actually think a simple water based attack is too much for her…that's interesting. Yeah I guess the woman that served some ridiculously powerful people their ass, countered energy, dodged/blocked/bent lasers or Cyclops's optic blast and has decades of experience against every attack possible is gonna get taken down by a spike of ice that regular benders can jump away from.
multiple lightnings
Only one person here has lightning and its hilariously less powerful than what I already showed her tanking and dealing with. Not to mention needs to be charged.
or getting hit by massive boulders or super dense pebbles shot at Gatling gun fire rate.
The same gatling gun earth bullets that all missed Ozai? Yeah idk man if you really think elements that have been countered and dodged by regular benders is gonna take down someone who has faced far more deadly weapons and powers you don't have a good grasp of her.
I don't assume Storm will just sit there, what I do assume & know is that she is facing multiple opponents that can deal with a lot of her attacks, so she will be hard pressed throughout the encounter.
They literally can't? You haven't shown anything to prove it. What putting a number on a volcano's energy release that Roku couldn't handle, nor did he face more than a fraction of it means he and other Avatars can deal with a lot of her attacks?
All you've done is nitpick the things I posted showing that she can mess with them all to put it lightly, and even your nitpick trying to make em less impressive didn't address how that would still be enough to prove how she's the one doing the countering/overpowering lmao.
They'll be hard pressed to breath, not freeze, not be incinerated, overloaded and thrown like a twig. I've shown her make more powerful/durable beings, be completely overwhelmed by her showing she'll do the same here. What have you provided that proves otherwise?
Actually you are the one assuming they all just stand in the same place & wait for her to just blow them all away or strike them with lightning, even though they can easily react to it.
I've seen them get tagged by far slower projectiles. So have you, but I guess everyone scales to 1 feat of lightning timing where the lightning is as slow as the things they've been tagged by. (Wait didn't Kyoshi fight a lightning bender and get tagged, only surviving because of her armor?) Like Aang is the fastest because he enhances his speed with air, but damn what's the point if he can jump a pillar and catch lightning, even Zuko can with zero enhancements.
Yes they're standing there because they aren't lightning timers, and Storm's blitzed faster characters. Seismic waves statue them. That's not an assumption lol, that's what their feats consistently show.
I mean if you really believe that then why aren't they blitzing her making this battle a stomp in their favor? Unless you think she contends with them, which you do, admitting that she can win, and i'd be shocked if you're not gonna give her lightning timing feats credit and scale to people she's fought that also do that or dodge lasers. So then if she can contend with them and her powers blitzing people faster than her…why is her powers blitzing them ridiculous??
Yes, he could be put down, but it's not like she will have the chance to fully concentrate on him to take him out before she either gets hit by something or Amon blood bends her.
It doesn't take much concentration to do this:
Did you actually look at the scans of her dealing with a space fleet? Literally dozens are targeted and destroyed without her even looking.
I don't want to keep repeating myself, but she does not have the luxury of putting all of her concentration in one fighter,
My man you are repeating yourself because you're not understanding what I'm saying and refusing to accept the few scans put in front of you showing her dealing out massive aoe power and targeting multiple opponents at once to negate this notion that anyone here is able to freely attack.
She doesn't need some luxury to focus on 1 character, the entire point of what I've explained is that she can target them all instantly and individually. She's not a bender, she doesn't need to do martial arts to send an element towards one guy at a time that they can see coming and dodge, she can just think a hurricane into existence in the blink of an eye that flings them all away coupled with lightning. I'm the one repeating myself because you somehow don't get that.
she can't just go after Zaheer while he is attempting to take the air out of her lungs, or she's getting shot by water, ice, fire, rocks, lightning & also simultaneously getting shot by Combustion Man or getting her body controlled by Amon.
Again if you really think Zaheer is able to fly up to her, start the agonizingly slow process of pulling the air from her lungs and nothing is done about that then you're not even trying to comprehend what I'm saying or understand her at all.
The fight starts and before they move they are getting attacked. Period. This idea that these benders are gonna tag her with arrow speed elements when they even have to do martial arts movement first while she can kill them just by thinking is baffling. What element is reaching her when she's already created winds that have shoved them back at them, said elements still need their conscious control over it and if they start freezing to death, stop breathing, get electrocuted or whatever their hold over it is broken.
When does she attack in your scenario? Cuz this is what is really gonna happen, see here she creates her weather effects before the Wakandan army can simply pull the trigger, targeting them all without looking. And later when she gets attacked by the X-Men, she gets the drop in them before a telepath can even attack and doesn't try to seriously hurt them, dispersing them all (posted above).
So why is she gonna somehow have trouble targeting multiple opponents now, when she can focus and take on an army and save her student about to be shot in the head in the middle of battle.
It should be obvious that I posted directly to @pyrofn, so I did not even saw the follow-up scan until later. But I already addressed it. As of now, that the only large scale manipulation that seems to be effortless to her, as we can also see her struggling with the large tidal wave & in the Pyro scan that was posted, it says that it takes all her strength & concentration to just contain that rain within the mall, so it seems that it is more consistent of her getting taxed by powerful or large scale weather manipulation,
There's more far larger scale feats done by her that she does without pushing herself. Shaping the climate of Mars, creating a global aurora borealis for 4 hours due to her mourning (she had to leave the planet before she could let her emotions loose). LINK
Even with things she does exert herself its still massively above what Avatars has done. Like dispersing a blizzard that wouldn't blow itself out for an entire year and was reaching southern Canada to the north pole, she channeled the storm's energy through herself and dispersed it across the US as a snowstorm. Creating a greenhouse effect across the globe to protect the Earth from excessive solar radiation, and creating jovian pressure to contain a small nuke to the size of a pinball which stressed Rachel Grey's TK and made her pass out as did Storm. LINK
The mall scene where she says she struggles to contain the rainfall, there's many more times you see her creating weather effects and it's not taking a toll on her, it's more so explaining that she's drawing water from miles around to create such a dense monsoon in a very contained area without it going out of control.
Once she goes through some shit as leader of the X-Men and starts embracing her more violent side, she creates a hurricane in a building that floods it, stating that such violent weather comes easier to her and she's not caring about who gets affected by it, where before creating a thing would have exhausted her. Cut to the current Storm that manipulates the environment in over a dozen ships to individually take them out in different ways simultaneously:
meaning it is not feasible while she is alone & fighting multiple opponents that can deal with most of her attacks.
These feats, atop the ones you've been shown are her doing things that would overpower everyone here, even if she does a grunt or greatly exerts herself to say this means the Avatars are gonna be able to push her to her limits.
Again you seem to pick apart things without actually explaining why this means it proves your points. Yeah she stated creating an instant monsoon wasn't the easiest thing, since when does an Avatar draw water from miles around to target a single person and easier lol? That means an Avatar can deal with her power? Now sure water is the only thing they could actually counter, but literally anything else is a no. Prove otherwise.
Also why are these guys able to deal with powers they've never faced before, created without martial arts before they know what's happening, and some powers they literally can't control with ease. But Storm's gonna be the one overwhelmed by elements that have been dealt with by far slower and less powerful benders, Storm herself controls them or she has such easy ways to counter them all. Like what? She's fought elementals, they've never fought an Omega level psionic weather manipulator.
It's might be enough to send non-Avatars, but I doubt it will send the Avatars into space if they are also actively bending against said winds, the rest I can see being flown away even if Zaheer can fly & Ozai has jets, but it's up in the air (no pun intended).
I'm sorry…might? The funnel that spits an aircraft up to the edge of the atmosphere and down to San Francisco on the other side of the planet in minutes, as Cyclops attacks the X-Men, as she hopes the fraction isn't torn apart…might send even non Avatars???? Bro. Brooo
I ain't ever seen an Avatar face winds on that level, let alone these literal humans. Like is this less powerful than Aang's basic attacks?? Cuz that's what you're saying. You've seen her lift a building, pin HT, lift a Sentinel above the city and rip apart vibranium enhanced doombot but "it's up in the air" when it comes to her wind affecting these guys in a effective way.
And how will she know where he is controlling her body from or who's doing it in the first place? Again, she does not have the luxury of facing a single opponent that she can concentrate on while she is in a team, this is the other way around, she is alone facing a team.
Why does she need to know? What part of "Storm can attack and suppress them all at once" that I've been saying this entire time is not making it clear that she can do that? Hopefully I'm saying this for the last time, but the woman that can either or all together attack with with instant large aoe in many forms and individual or arching lighting strikes etc like she's done to teams of X-Men and dozens of ships and sentinels that are like a mile or more away from her, is not needing this intense focus to attack them.
This isn't a luxury I'm giving her, this is something she's done.
The Pyro feat does not show instant anything so I did not dodge nothing,
I mean you did, they posted some scans to showcase her speed and you instead nitpicked the power or you're like "idk what energy this is what's the context" when you see her blocking Cyclop's light speed optic blast (which isn't hyperbole, it's been stated multiple times).
not even Pyro makes a mention of how fast or how "instant" it was, there's already wind & clouds that she is using to try & stop the fire beam & then she started to pour massive amounts of water on him & it is taking all of her strength & will just to cast that localized heavy rain,
That's…not what Pyro showed you. You're talking about Pyro (the character) getting smothered by an instant monsoon lol, and again with this "well she said it ain't easy" okay but it's done and it took no time so you're once again derailing from the point. Wait no you're mixing up 2 different scans lol. The one she had to focus to control the rainfall is the earlier one, the one you're saying already had rainclouds is after her embracing violent weather (hint: the mohawk showcases this change) and notice she says nothing about it being hard this time?
There's clouds because as you see she's dispersing the beam of fire that's about to reach her lol, but here's the page before where the sky is clear: https://imgur.com/undefined
so if anything, this is almost an anti-feat, because if she tried anything like that she will be wide open for anyone to hit her,
It's an anti feat that in no time a monsoon was generated to disperse a beam of fire? Enough water was pulled out of the air to make a contained flood in the middle of battle when the sky was clear a moment ago is an anti feat of her activation speed?
not to mention that the heavy rain would not even phase the water benders, they can bend the water around them creating bubbles, they could probably also bend the rain drops back at her as ice spikes & she would not be able to counter it, as all her strength & concentration will be in the attack that is being countered in the 1st place.
Really wouldn't say they wouldn't be phased, you can keep claiming they're lightning timers but man waterbending whips and such has been used against them successfully lmao. So an instant monsoon that makes it hard for people to even stand would at least throw them off.
Coupled with insane winds, freezing temperatures and lightning? Yup.
My man, she's making sure, especially at this time in her life, in the middle of a city with her teammates fighting within a few yards from her and civilians just a bit further to keep her weather in check. She's even said she hasn't used her powers to deliberately hurt people before her violence embrace.
This is a vs battle, in the middle of nowhere where nothing is holding her back with the current Storm against multiple opponents. They'll be dealing with more than a monsoon, and it won't take all of her strength (read it again, said creating it was no issue, controlling it to a localized area was) to attack them with one and more. Even if she did create one she will turn water attacks to steam, as she's done to Hydroman.
The 1st scan is showing her freeze Colossus in a blink of an eye, cool, water benders can also flash-freeze in the blink of an eye, so that's nothing the benders have not dealt with before, as they have done so to either warp or shatter metal.
Lol, I'm pretty sure you can blink and still see water freeze in the show XD. No, she literally satures Colossus with water from the air and freezes it in the time it takes to blink. That's instant, and "oh waterbenders do it to" is so lazy my man. No they literally don't, sure freezing water is fast but that doesn't describe the speed of bending itself like it does Storm's weather manipulation. Like dude they need to gather and surround someone in water before it's frozen or before that frozen water is used as an attack, Colossus went from completely dry to saturated and frozen in a blink. That's entirely different.
The 2nd is shows her creating a strong wind inside a store, & yes, she did it with a thought, but that statement has nothing to do with the speed, it has to do with her power, it is even stated in the same speech bubble, "I knew she was powerful, but I never dreamed..." It is clearly refering to the fact that she generated high winds with her mind, not that it was done at the speed of thought, I mean, she thinks about crating an attack, that is the speed of thought,
I get that it doesn't specifically say at the "speed" of thought, but that's what its saying. As Pyro was said to manipulate his power at the speed of thought to catch Wolverine, and you've seen how she deals with him. And idk how I forgot to add the scans but here's her also making her weather phenomena before Wolverine and Rogue can react: https://imgur.com/9FOAavl
https://imgur.com/a/C5UEXDU
Here's more where she catches X-23, who could hit Rachel before her power was activated at the speed of thought, before she reaches Wolverine a foot away from her: https://imgur.com/a/9GBpPcQ
She's got the drops on other telepaths before they could attack, i.e. Emma and Karma: https://imgur.com/a/FnIifaT
but how fast the wind is generated clearly takes time, or her attacks would simply pop in & out of existence with no actual motion in the attacks themselves, meaning that her rain drops would pop in & fill up the space she wants without it actually poring down, if she could literally instantly create her attacks, she would be more akin to a reality warper or magic user as they point things in & out of reality, but we know that's not how her powers work.
That's exactly what her powers look like, literally a clear sky to a thunderstorm in virtually no time. Idk where reality warping is coming tho, and sure this is where trying to hold things to science is just worthless cuz that’s how her and other superpowered people just work.
The 3rd scan actually proves my previous point, you can see the wind from the hurricane coming from one direction & going to another, that simple fact means it cannot be instant as there has to be a chain of motion in said wind to get there in the first place & it is clearly being represented in the scan, the wind going from left to right, again, the thing about the conscious thought is about she can just think & she can control the elements, but the elements still take some time to generate, even if it's still quite fast.
I don’t see your point at all, like yeah the wind…is moving in a direction like wind does in order to..be wind, but the scan is saying that it’s generated in even something less than a conscious thought. I said it before, I’m not saying she generates wind from her hand that reaches them instantly, her powers are simply set in motion instantly. The hurricane isn't moving at a million miles a second, it’s simply created in the time it takes her to think.
It takes no time to generate, that’s exactly what the scan is telling you and the many scans I’m showing you on top of that.
The 4th scan is a good feat, but it is more like aim-dodge as she saw the gun already pointed at her & she already had her wind shield up.
She didn’t, we see her generate the winds from her hands. Even if she is aim dodging that’s still says how freakin fast she can manipulate her powers.
The 5th scan shows a more usable feat here as it is a combat reaction feat, so she could react to their attacks, but again this falls back to the fact that attacks won't come from just one direction, but multiple.
HUh? She has better feats to show her handling multiple opponents at once I’ev shown, but this was a power activation feat.
The 6th scan doesn't show anything an average air bender can't do, she just lifted Kitty with a small whirlwind, no mention of speed or anything, saying it was instant because it appears lifting her in the next panel is wrong, that's not a way of conveying speeds in fiction, much less while using still images.
My man there’s missiles a foot away about to hit her and Storm sweeps her away before they do..how is that not an obvious speed feat lol? I explained them all above the spoiler block. I’m genuinely confused, did you see the last panel and ignore the whole page?
The 7th scan again shows aim-dodge speeds & we don't know at what point she casted her winds to carry the people away, so it is an ok showing.
So generating wind fast enough to lift people away from an explosion in “ok”
I also could had attempted to downplay some of those feats for the lack of environmental destruction like you attempted to do with Kyoshi's feat, but I will leave it as it is, just wanted to make it clear again that it can be done both ways, but it is a flawed way of debating fiction.
Huhh??? The lack of environmental damage caused by Kyoshi’s “island moving winds” completely contradicts the feat itself. Literally how is that the same case when Storm simply sweeps people and arrows away lmao???
Her attacks are not instant, she thinks about doing the attack & then the attacks take a second or two to be on top of the enemy, the only exact mention of speed is in the scan where she freezes Colossus, it states that it took "a literal blink of an eye" to freeze him, so she can freeze just as fast as water benders can, or maybe a tiny fraction faster, & that's a big maybe. The rest of the feats are either aim-dodge or we don't know how long it took to actually generate the attack after she thought about it, because there is no actual precise statement in those scans besides the one with Colossus, and we can't use still images to say they are instant because they appear from one panel to the next without mentioning how long has it been from one panel to the other….
Disproved all of this and the paragraph afterward, but to say it takes even more than a second is simply incorrect. But here’s 2 more, where Emma in Storm’s body unable tofully controller power creates a jetstream in a “split-second” and Storm says she could wipe a challenger off the map in a heartbeat:
So yeah, powers are generated instantly in no time.
Using animation to represent a specific time frame is as flawed as attempting to use still images. I already addressed this on a previous point, but I will mention it again. Animators don't really care if what they are showing is representing things in the real world with 100% accuracy, so if the in-universe logic is that it is lightning, everyone in-universe treat it as lighting & one of the characters can catch lightning from the sky, then we assume it is lightning, unless stated otherwise in-universe. Just because you don't like how something is being animated it doesn't negate the intention of the writers. If anything it would be more a testament of how fast their reaction times are, that they can land, turn around & catch the lightning or operate while lightning is being fired at them or someone else. And these are not outliers, this is how it is show in every single instance that lightning appears, an outlier would be that every single time lightning is used, it moves super slow & someone has already brought that up in-universe, like if people can consistently just outrun lightning like nothing or someone mentioned it's exact speed in reference to real sky lightning, like "Yes, this technique is quite powerful, but pales in comparison with real lightning, so never attempt to re-direct it from the sky" or something like that, but then all of a sudden someone shoots lightning that actually moves at lightning speed, That's an outlier.
You gave a relevant example to an outlier but ignored that there’s other ways for something to be an outlier, it’s not the lightning itself but it’s whether or not these characters can react to something that fast. Said characters consistently get tagged by far slower things, literally put full effort into doding elements and get blitzed by arrows and such, but suddenly they can basically see and react at light speed if they can see a bolt of lightning moving and run in front of it. That’s what the outlier is here. Lightning speed is inconsistent, them reacting to something a million times faster than things they’ve been tagged by is an outlier.
I actually agree that trying to use the animation is a bit silly, which is why I hate when fans try to calc it when it moves a different damn speed every time it’s on screen. I’m more saying that man it’s not a coincidence that it slowed down to be about the speed of any other projectile they’ve faced when they do need to react to it. But it’s not just that, it’s that it's such a bad outlier despite however they animate it.
She doesn't statue nobody, she is constantly feeling with her feet as they are always touching the ground, she just has millisecond advantage over most benders due to her already feeling not only their position, but she can also predict their movement. She doesn't blitz nobody, she just has a minor head's up on their movement.
Please listen, I’m not saying Toph statues anyone, it’s the seismic sense that instantly gives her a warning to every attack which is why she can predict what they’re doing before they’re even done doing it. The seismic wave moves far faster than the benders and herself, which is what this portrays: https://media.giphy.com/media/FybykandxVC5tI962r/giphy.gif
So again, something far slower than lightning is statuing characters.
I would like to look at those scans, because for what I've seen, the feats you claim sound more impressive when you claim them than once I dissect the actual scans with the feats, baring a few exceptions.
Yup finally showed ya the Wolverine and Rogue ones, here's the Scarlet Spider: https://imgur.com/L7qYiPz
Magneto controls electromagnetism, a fundamental force of the universe, Storm's weather manipulations is nothing compared to that, magneto is basically a limited matter/energy manipulator compared to other ones that can manipulate pretty much everything they want, coming closer to the reality warping tier. Storm's powers are not like that at all, so that point was pretty irrelevant, she might as well had said that I was assuming that metal benders can bend metal better than Molecule Man...
My man, I’m saying that comparing Storm to benders in any way is as silly as comparing metalbenders to Magneto for that very reason. Their very powers are fundamentally different, just as much. I love that you keep not understanding that that’s the equivalent of what you said because you still don’t get it.
Benders can insert their chi into the elements, Storm is psionically linked to the energy patterns that govern the weather, has reached planetary+ reach and down to the atomic level of control. Trying to put them on her level in any capacity of “well they can do everything she can do to some degree” is as silly as saying Toph’s metalbending can contend with Magneto.
Hama was old & weak, she could only blood bend while the full Moon was up & she was easily overcomed by Katara that had literally just learned the technique. So assuming that the Avatars going all out, would only be able to draw the same amount of moisture than a weak old water bender that was just doing a small demonstration is reaching. Good thing we know that young Katara>Hama, young Aang>young Katara, bloodlusted young Aang>young Aang, blood lusted Avatar state young Aang>>bloodlusted young Aang & blood lusted Avatar state adult Aang>>blood lusted Avatar state young Aang, and the rest of the Avatars should scale close to each other.
Again, assuming that what Hama showed to Katara was the upper limits of everyone, including fully realized & mastered Avatars in the Avatar state is stretching it a bit.
I’m not saying that’s the absolute of what they can do, but you are trying to prove the claim that Avatars can replicate Storm’s weather control based on feat sharing of a single feat hilariously below what she can do and speculating they can do it x50 in order to prove that. You’re the one doing the assumptions. Explain why it isn’t speculation to say this feat sharing is proof they can replicate her feats.
I said they could do so individually or collectively, as I already showed Kyoshi with the Island feat, Roku with the volcano feat & Kuruk with the large wave bend on massive scales, & in the case of Kuruk & Kyoshi, it was performed super casually & only using a fraction of the Avatar state power, so those are very good examples I would say, even if you want to ignore the Kyoshi feat, even though it was literally shown to us.
So…Roku dying to a volcano, Kyoshi moving an island, and Kuruk making a wave means they can replicate even together what she does on accident in creating a rainstorm in deserts, pull enough moisture out of an environment to cause a drought killing hundreds of animals, turn miles of clear sky into a storm etc. This was just about water.
Yes, this is total speculation by me, I even stated I don't know how fast they fly, but we do know the speeds they operate at. By seeing the fight between Korra & Zaheer, I can see that they are moving fast, I would not say Mach speeds as there is no actual time frame or point of reference mentioned, but I would say close to them, again, due to the speeds they operate at. I also noticed a small detail separate from this point, that poisoned non-mastered Avatar state Korra is physically strong enough to rip apart steel chains, not bend the metal, just rip it apart, so we know Avatars in that state have pretty superhuman physicals outside of their bending as well, so just another thing to consider.
So admittance that they’ve never gotten to mach speeds, and then their strength enhancement…somehow proves they can reach her level of feats??
An Avatar hasn't been shown doing so, but I was showing that fire benders, even old ones that are no longer in their prime can syphon thermal energy from an active volcano, and I already showed that volcanic eruptions about the scale of the one that Roku & Sosin were dealing with, release the thermal energy comparable to literally thousands of WW2 era nukes, I'm not saying he was syphoning exactly that amount of energy, but yeah, Sosin was syphoning quite a lot of thermal energy there regardless, and again, this is just to show what benders can do, even while already old & out of their prime. Ozai could easily decimate forests casually with the comet's boost, so that's not of too much help.
Trying to equate the total energy of a volcano to Sozin barely turning the lava at the top of the smaller volcano that explodes again right afterward has got to be the reach of a century. I know what benders can do, I wouldn’t say comparing them to Storm is silly if I haven’t seen everything they can do and come to that conclusion. I explained that feat to her her thermal manipulation lol.
Water benders have frozen metals in order to shatter them or warp them. So yeah, pretty comparable by also taking into account that that was done by non-Avatar state benders.
Using water to freeze /=/ thermal manipulation to her level.
You mean when Aang was literally mentally conflicted & wasn't trying to kill Ozai or anything? You mean an Aang that was not going all out nor was he in Avatar state, not even mentioning that it was a young Aang, not a fully mastered adult one like in the bonus round. Sure... I'm getting the impression that you like to cherry pick things & create little straw man arguments around these things while ignoring important variables & or context.
Literally what does the fact that he had conflicting morals have to do with him screaming in pain? He was about to fry his ass before he decided against it, making that choice didn’t affect his ability to redirect. Recall Zuko also getting overloaded by charged amped lightning so this wasn’t new.
You talk about strawman like I didn’t disprove your point that he will have no problem redirecting, when that’s exactly what happened against weaker lightning. And then you want to pretend that I’m misusing the fact that he had conflicting morals which had NOTHING to do with his physical struggle lol???? How is his moral struggle AFTERWARD contextual to him screaming in pain with physical struggle as soon as he catches lightning.
So you would describe that as having no trouble and even when he’s in the AS, lightning that has harmed hilarious more durable people ain’t gonna have a problem for him…
I also said that they can do almost everything, and again, I said either individually or collectively
So individually or collectively they can suddenly manipulate lighting/electricity/electromagentic energy lmao….Yeah I know what you said, and not even collectively are they suddenly gaining an ability that doesn’t even exist in the verse lmao (saying lighting benders which no Avatar is are even controlling lightning itself much if at all is being generous).
I would need to see the context for all those statements, because I've noticed a trend where you stated something making it it seem more impressive than what the actual scan is showing. And we have also seen Captain America hurt the Hulk, so there goes that.
I mean, if you can post more feats, that would be great because most of what you said is not actually a huge problem to the fighters that will give her the instant win, just a couple like very powerful storms that would catch some fighters by surprise, but the actual Avatars will be fine as they are working together.
Respecully everything I’ve shown exactly what I’ve stated, but you like to make your own spin on it or ignore something as obvious as a speed feat like you don’t see the missiles about to hit Kitty lol. Also if Cap has ever hurt Hulk that’s so obviously a bad low end.
https://imgur.com/a/m2YffFr
In Order:
Adaptoid with Hulk’s powers
Hurts Colossus
Disperses Stardusts energy form
Mimick from Wakanda that mimicks the powers of people, had even grown too powerful for Storm, mimicked Hulk
The only person that could hurt Nate GreyxLegion with 15+ X-Men present, was a God at this point who created his own universe
Short’s out Hulks Brain twice, the second time with a tp attack from Cable kills him so she restarts his heart
Are you gonna post proof or just keep saying they’ll be fine against her attacks.
I already showed a couple of examples above that address this, but again, there have been Avatars able to temporarily deal with a VEI5 volcanic eruption while old, out of his prime & being poisoned by the fumes, not to mention tanking the thermal energy released by said volcano.
I was afraid that this was essentially the proof, cuz what he barely stopped some lava flow and tried to get it to spill to the other side is gonna prove these guys are matching Storm?? And a character that isn’t here slowly cooling some lava over multiple seconds is proof that they’’ negate her powers? You’re missing the reasoning to every claim and conclusion.
What makes this feat impressive?
……well someone has said this entire time that Storm needs some intense focus to handle a single slow character, but I see her decimating an entire fleet without looking at them sooooo
Can you show the jets tanking attacks that the Avatars can create & still be fine? Or anything that would set up a bar of why this is supposed to be impressive?
Huh?? I’m pretty sure they’re more durable then these humans…and thats the far more important point here. Winds and lightning tearing through a fleet but these guys are gonna be fine apparently.
Why did this turn into how impressive it is or not, the point was that you said this wouldn’t be a problem for everyone here. How about you finally give some feats that show that they’ll negate this wind power and lightning. You prove why this wouldn’t be a problem, because you haven’t.
How durable are said jets, because you previously tried to make it seem as if she destroyed a 100% vibranium robot that was tanking "near-nova blasts", when in reality it wasn't even the same robot that was tanking the Human Torch's blasts & we saw War Machine blasting one of those robots that was on top of Shuri with a small rocket, so I could pretty much say that Combustion Man could had blasted that robot as well just like War Machine, and just the same, we already saw Kyoshi move an island with air pressure, so she could had also destroyed the robot that Storm destroyed pretty much the same way.
Yeah I tried really hard to make it seem like that doombot was 100% vibranium, even though I literally said vibranium enhanced doombot lmao. Comparing War Machine to Combustion man is still funny in trying to degrade him. Nah Korra literally couldn’t handle one Mech with the help of a dozen airbenders and earthbenders.
Like what’s your point here, you think these guys are less durable than ships made to fly in space??? That a bolt of lighting will hit them and they’ll just laugh??? I actually don’t get it.
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