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#1  Edited By Shavo

restrain from bringing up cosmic entities,reality warpers,TK users or any of that bs im talking about straight up muscle and strength..again im not asking who is the most powerful just the strongest...

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@matteopg: man i need to stop responding but i can't its too hilarious i mean wow i never seen so many people get on one person because my opinion made you nerd rage i mean really you're accusing me of calling people dumb,accusing me of comparing goku to batman and cap ,accusing me of using a ranking system that i only use and whats more hilarious is that i even said in a past post that "if i used comicvines ranking style goku would be at metahuman level" but no the accusing keeps on but i gotta say i must thank you for opening my eyes and making me realize "wow why am i on a sire forum arguing about fictional characters for the past few hours with someone who can't tell the difference between someone saying their opinion and someone stating a fact i gotta go outside and actually live my life" so again thanks for making me realize the type of people that roam around on this site peace

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@knivestrillions: you're using a ranking system that no one else uses and no one else knows about and you're getting mad because people don't understand what you're talking about....it's like if I decided to start calling steaks pie from now on and then getting mad at a waiter when they give me a piece of apple pie instead of the t-bone that I ordered

street level characters are characters like Batman, Daredevil, and Captain America...it's not about how much they can destroy

im not ranking the character im ranking their power of destruction comicvines ranking system doesn't have any detail to it, they don't detail speed,strength,or durability or anything correctly and matter of fact this is not even a ranking system if you think about it just details what the character can do in each field(sped strength etc.) im not ranking the character as whole just how much he destroy in one shot and im not getting mad at anything they just don't get that im not talking about speed or high they can jump just how much they can destroy their "destructive capacity" and if you still think that im using some kind ranking system that only i use whatever think what you want.the last thing i gotta say is that all my post on this thread where my opinion and if my words get you that riled up and butthurt that's on you bud

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@matteopg said:

@knivestrillions: look, as I said, I'm not trying to provoke you, but english is not my first language and I find it really hard to read it that way. If you care about reasonable debate, it should actually be your concern to make yourself understood.

And how is asking for punctuation, which we get taught in first grade, being a grammar nazi? I mean, at least to separate one sentence from the other, I'm not asking for a college level essay!

Still, if you don't care about keeping the debate on I understand. I thought you wanted to talk.

english is not my first language either but really you lost all your credibility when you literally when out of your way to disprove every single post of mine on this thread and after i responded with that essay of mine and what do you say "your punctuation sucks"....i have seen some real desperate ways to try to win an argument but yours take the belt by a landslide....

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@matteopg said:

@knivestrillions: I am sorry, I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I really can't follow the post if you don't at least put some punctuation in it. Could you please repost it with some punctuation? I hardly can understand where a sentece ends and the next begins.

i guess what your trying to say is "i lost this argument so ill start being a grammar nazi" don't worry i get it ;)

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@matteopg: wow just reading this make me laugh? you waste so much time trying to disprove someones opinion that's just wow but ill play into your little game since i have to waste till i got to work first of all durability doesn't equal destructive power unless you show me one time where any character from anything let it be comic books,anime/manga,movies,tv used his/her power of durability(the power to survive things not destroy things) to destroy anything and you show me one time where goku blew up the moon at that time then ill believe you second i assure you that no one on this site likes when people use a-b-c logic and anyone who has been on this site for more than 20 minutes will know that and i did not call him stupid i called a-b-c logic stupid third you can see in all of his post he was bringing names that had 0 to do with this thread and he was accusing me of comparing goku to batman and captain america which i never did that's just him being desperate to win the argument and i said goku is a street leveler "give or take" when people say give or take it means they add or subtract the amount of power depending on how powerful they think the character is and i said he didn't understand because he didn't understand he never stays on topic...fourth i did say to the other how i define a street leveler you just have to look back post #24 and i didn't use punctuation because i was tired that's why i said im going to bed it was 3 in the morning im not going to stay up arguing about a fantasy character...and the comicvine "ranking system" literally doesn't explain anything about a character i doesn't say how strong,durable,fast or intelligent a character the way you measure a characters power is by finding how much he can destroy in one one blow that's why some people say "he is a galaxy buster" or "he is a continent buster" its measuring how much they can destroy not how fast they are or how much endurance they have ITS HOW MUCH THEY CAN DESTROY the guy was always bringing up goku's speed and his jumping skills or how he can move a rock but never how much he can destroy his arguing was just assumptions and bringing up irrelevant bs and then people like you want to get on me because you can't take someones opinion? boo hoo stop crying about it its a thread on a comic book site about fictional characters if you don't like my opinion don't respond to it just ignore it and go on with your day not that hard

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#7  Edited By Shavo

@knivestrillions said:

@nickzambuto said:

@knivestrillions said:

@nickzambuto said:

@knivestrillions said:

@nickzambuto said:

@knivestrillions: I do not think you understand the term "street level".

A massively hypersonic, 100 tonner who can leap above the clouds and bust mountains with energy waves, does not fall in line with peak humans.

and i don't think you understand that this isn't current goku were talking about, its 17 TEEN YEAR OLD GOKU who was not hypersonic was not a 100 tonner could not leap above clouds(though he could ride one) could not blow up mountains and was most definitely a street leveler though i will say he was a high tier street leveler

I recommend you familiarize yourself with a franchise before trying to throw out facts about it.

umm ok he jumped in the sky so what? that doesn't make u powerful just means you jump high and after image really your using that as a hypersonic feat? every anime/manga character can do after image even you can do after image just wave your hand in front of your face the only one here throwing meaningless facts is you my friend why can't you just admit goku at 17 let me repeat GOKU AT 17 YEARS OLD NOT CURRENT GOKU was a street leveler?

Street level implies peak humans. If you really think that shoving giant boulders, jumping up to the clouds, and moving faster than a God can perceive are peak human feats, than you have no business talking about battles.

like i said to the other guy my definition of street level is different form yours i guess if i use the comcivine ranking thing i guess goku would be metahuman low/middle/high whatever.....but how i rank characters is on there destructive power not on how fast there are or how many rocks he can pull with a bald dude or how high he jumps.......here is how do it

street level

building

mountain

continent

moon

planet

star

universal

blah blah blah get it now? cause i really can't make it anymore clear than this and if you still don't get it too bad im going to bed....

That's a horrible, horrible way to rank characters. You really don't seem to have any idea what you're talking about.

honestly i really don't know how you can't get this i even layered it out and explained i measure how powerful they are on how much they can destroy speed,h2h skills,durability,intellect that's a whole different thing and in this case 17 ten year old goku would be street level destructive level honestly its people like you can make me stay away from this site's forum...

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#8  Edited By Shavo

@matteopg said:

@knivestrillions: so you first invented a way of ranking characters (in which destroying a building it's somehow easier than destroying an entire street... ok) but used the same nomenclature for one of the levels as a well accepted slang. Then, when there was some confusion about the ambigous term, you treated people like morons because they didn't automatically figure out you were using a made up ranking system.

Congrats.

Back to the OP. I think that Dragon Ball in general has power level much higher than those of Naruto. If you think about it, the maximum level that characters have reached in Naruto now was considered just the first step in the power scale in DBZ. There is no actual way to quantify in absolute the strenght of a fictional character. But you can compare the feats of two characters. And if you look at what 17 years old Goku does, in terms of power, it seems like it can trump easily what Naruto does at 17.

Still, naruto has a lot more diverse, interesting and tricky techniques. Also with the 9-tailed fox (I don't know how it translates to english) he can muster up pretty huge displays of raw energy. And he seems to have more stamina. I'd say it could go either way. If it was a battle forum, I'd give 6 matches out of 10 to goku, by a short margin.

i did not treat anyone like idiots i explained how i rank people on destructive level and i didn't invent this lol?every comic/anime site uses this ranking style so mind your business and stop talking out your ass sir....

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@knivestrillions said:

@nickzambuto said:

@knivestrillions said:

@nickzambuto said:

@knivestrillions: I do not think you understand the term "street level".

A massively hypersonic, 100 tonner who can leap above the clouds and bust mountains with energy waves, does not fall in line with peak humans.

and i don't think you understand that this isn't current goku were talking about, its 17 TEEN YEAR OLD GOKU who was not hypersonic was not a 100 tonner could not leap above clouds(though he could ride one) could not blow up mountains and was most definitely a street leveler though i will say he was a high tier street leveler

I recommend you familiarize yourself with a franchise before trying to throw out facts about it.

umm ok he jumped in the sky so what? that doesn't make u powerful just means you jump high and after image really your using that as a hypersonic feat? every anime/manga character can do after image even you can do after image just wave your hand in front of your face the only one here throwing meaningless facts is you my friend why can't you just admit goku at 17 let me repeat GOKU AT 17 YEARS OLD NOT CURRENT GOKU was a street leveler?

Street level implies peak humans. If you really think that shoving giant boulders, jumping up to the clouds, and moving faster than a God can perceive are peak human feats, than you have no business talking about battles.

like i said to the other guy my definition of street level is different form yours i guess if i use the comcivine ranking thing i guess goku would be metahuman low/middle/high whatever.....but how i rank characters is on there destructive power not on how fast there are or how many rocks he can pull with a bald dude or how high he jumps.......here is how do it

street level

building

mountain

continent

moon

planet

star

universal

blah blah blah get it now? cause i really can't make it anymore clear than this and if you still don't get it too bad im going to bed....

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@knivestrillions said:

@nickzambuto said:

@knivestrillions: I do not think you understand the term "street level".

A massively hypersonic, 100 tonner who can leap above the clouds and bust mountains with energy waves, does not fall in line with peak humans.

and i don't think you understand that this isn't current goku were talking about, its 17 TEEN YEAR OLD GOKU who was not hypersonic was not a 100 tonner could not leap above clouds(though he could ride one) could not blow up mountains and was most definitely a street leveler though i will say he was a high tier street leveler

I recommend you familiarize yourself with a franchise before trying to throw out facts about it.

umm ok he jumped in the sky so what? that doesn't make u powerful just means you jump high and after image really your using that as a hypersonic feat? every anime/manga character can do after image even you can do after image just wave your hand in front of your face the only one here throwing meaningless facts is you my friend why can't you just admit goku at 17 let me repeat GOKU AT 17 YEARS OLD NOT CURRENT GOKU was a street leveler?