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@grim:

As for the second point, that's untrue. Thor was both Thor and the God of Thunder long before he got Mjolnir. We see this multiple times with young Thor in Thor: God of Thunder. He has all of his powers save for flight before he has the hammer. In addition, Thor is not a title. It's his name, given to him from birth. It's like if Bucky or Sam started calling themselves Steve Rogers. Very different from calling themselves Captain America. And I've seen no evidence he's stopped being the God of Thunder at any point.

The name handoff was not in character nor made much sense, in my opinion. Accepting her as the new weilder of Mjolnir, okay. Saying she's Thor? Whaaat?

initially Odin took Thor's powers away and more or less tied them to the hammer. While Thor no longer needs the hammer to be himself, it still holds both some of his power and the brand recognition. And not just with others. With Thor himself. He knows he is a warrior and such even without the hammer, but he doesnt feel worthy of his own legacy without it. And he considers the name Thor to be his name AND the legacy. He sees thor as his Captain America AND his Steve Rogers.

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@skaldadottir:

it seems super apparent to me that the hammer has developed a symbiosis with her, as opposed to her being just another wielder. Almost like the hammer is letting her decide left or right, but IT is the one making the turns. Several times, shes thought one thing and said something rather Thor instead. like her saying "there must always be a thor"... that doesnt seem like it was her. Issue two has her saying she is the goddess of thunder, and shes super confused that she said that. And i think she meant to say yes to everyone whos ever asked her if they knew her. in issue 4, almost everything she says to Thor is personal enough to be either her or the hammer, and i think that was meant to read as a little of both.

irrelevant is a strong word. The idea behind the hammer has always been that without it, thor is not the god of thunder, hes just another god. Obviously, hes still Odinson and a warrior, and all of his history and friendships still matter (which is why hes still showing up as Odinson in other comics), but he is no longer THE THOR in title. Just like how Loki was sort of reborn but the same dude, they have established that god titles are different than the actual person.

idk. i know all of what im saying is just speculation at this point, but i doint see "written in to a hole" here.

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@grim: If she is Roz or Jane she did everything Wrong from what means to be worthy of Mjolnir, they both know, care and are close to Thor Odinson, and yes the hammer influences her decisions but if she was the responsible for the random kiss, she also could stop for a while try to find out what happened to Thor Odinson, Mjolnir and her, but no she just wants the power of Thor like you said, when she destructed the fake Ice Giant Skull she already was to arrogant and disrespectful for the Ice Giants, one of the Asgardian most important value is Honor in combat and yes the Ice Giants are enemies, but she wasn't an Asgardian honored warrior when she destructed that Skull, Aaron writing is not making believable that she is worthy of Mjolnir, because he only tries to show that she is bad ass and powerful, and being the Asgardian God of Thunder means a lot more than that, for now she isn't worthy of Mjolnir, Aaron just forgot what he wrote in TGOT.

Thor Odinson would have TOTALLY done the same thing. If the frost giants invaded earth to find their dead kings skull in an attempt to regain power? Yeah. He would smash it and tell them thats what they get for breaking rules. I didnt read much of TGoT, but i dont see how anything in this undoes that.

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They can't use Cyborg for obvious reasons.

yes they can. Flash is (possibly) being doubled too. They own the rights and can do what they want

Where do you find out who has the rights to what? I figured Warner Bros. has the rights to Cyborg and wouldn't want anyone else to use him. Flash was probably in development before movie Flash was announced so I thought that's how they got around it.

CW (where Arrow and Flash are aired) is owned by Warner Brothers(the guys making the movies), who basically owns DC comics. WB and TNT (where Titans will air) are both owned by TIME WARNER.
to further clarify: FOX doesn NOT have the rights to Gotham. WB created and produced the show, and then Fox agreed to air it. But Fox has no claim to Batman or anything outside of the broadcasting of that individual show for however long that contract lasts.

The flash show was in motion before the movie, but that wasnt a rights issue. WB owns the live action rights to both regardless of which came first. But WB's problem has been that they dont have a cohesive tv/movie universe like Marvel, so they try to just keep them completely separate and avoid overlapping characters.

so you're mostly right. WB doesnt want anyone to use their movie characters. But its technically THEM who would be using him. its really all Noland's fault, because he started this crap with his contract that didnt allow them to use Batman while he was making his movies. since then WB has really been in love with creating stand alone elseworld-style shows.

I used to be a DC, but its crap like this, combined with the new 52, that drove me away.

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@skaldadottir: If your friend waited a week to take the job, someone else would apply and probably get it. would you rather a stranger or your friend got the job?

You seem to be under the impression that if you wait to be respectful, the world will respect your respect and wait as well. But no. The longer you wait, the longer you risk the chance of someone coming and taking advantage of the hammer sitting there. The hammer has never sat in one place without someone watching it for so long. What if someone with crazy magics came by and did something crazy? or if Odin had extra time to just Slag the hammer? What if someone just replaced the entire moon, and the hammer was lost to someone with the resources to do that?

the hammer is calling the shots here. it called her from wherever she was. it makes her talk a certain way. and even so, she didnt ever call herself THOR or THORS REPLACEMENT. shes not doing anything wrong. And if she HADNT taken the hammer, All the avengers would be frozen solid still, and Odinson might have lost the second fight in issue #4 and died for real.

If This happened in real life and Thors hammer called you to be new thor, you would absolutely not, no matter how much you adored and respected him. Its the power of THOR! and He cant use it. So theres no reason why she wouldnt. and i think peoples anger towards her being Thor are not really based on anything but personal preference.

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whomever the new thor is didnt TAKE the hammer away from him. It deemed him no longer worthy. He literally cannot wield it.
Do you really think the next person should just leave it sitting there out of some weird sense of respect for all eternity? When its ready for thor to wield it again, the hammer will go to or call for him.

Odinson has a whole different life hes been virtually ignoring for years. Hes supposed to be the future of Asgard, and more or less their lead warrior. But he spends most of his time doing earth and avengers stuff. Obviously the point of what they are up to (besides the idea of having a new Thor) is to show his character is deeper than just being a guy with a hammer. Im excited to see what Thor does next (especially after reading issue 4) because there's a lot to be done with a Thor who is angry and savage.

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They can't use Cyborg for obvious reasons.

yes they can. Flash is (possibly) being doubled too. They own the rights and can do what they want.

And all the Grayson/Babs/Kori drama you can shake a stick at!

oh yeah. that was probably the pitch for the show lol

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i have such average feels about this.

its very apparent to me nearly every tv/movie property that someone who doesnt read and/or care about comics is calling the shots. And this lineup is tripping some alarms.

Robin, Starfire, and Raven all tested well in the cartoons. Thats why they are there.

Barb is there because they have been emulating her in every tv show and movie.Having someone at a computer talking to you through an earpiece is becoming a staple of the superhero genre, and she started it. (now they COULD have put cyborg in a wheelchair and had him play that until he got even MORE hurt and became cyborg, but thats just awesome thinking on my part)

Hawk and Dove are there because every show tries to add an unknown character into the mix. They can more or less do what they want with them, and if they kick off the opportunities for merch and spinoffs are less restricted (creatively and legally). I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them was ethnically ambiguous too. They are unknown and the team is looking pretty pale right now.

The only thing i really am kind of interested in is if there will be crossover between Arrow/Flash. TNT is under the timewarner umbrella with CW, so its possible. Arsenal and the eventual Kid Flash that has been rumored would be awesome additions down the line. And getting cross over villains is something that comics do that shows and movies havent. Think of them fighting Deathstroke. Or the Flash Rouges. or Grodd. That'd be cool.

but at best, this seems like another show that starts crudy to me and grows to average over time. Why hollywood people always think the need to change things is beyond me.

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it was hard for me to not vote Miles Morales. But i want some SWEEEEET CHRISTMAS!!!!!

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#9  Edited By SevanGrim

I know I had read comics before it, but the first comic i really remember reading was Speeding Bullets

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Obviously at this point i knew who Batman and superman was, and so when i found this crazy amalgamation of the two on the cover of a comic in my brothers drawer, i just had to know what was going on.
It was the most interesting thing i had ever read in a comic at the time, and is probably what sparked my ability to look at things as they could be creatively instead of simply as they are.

I still recommend it whenever i think someone might find it interesting.

An honorable mention goes to In Darkest Knight, which i read right afterwards and loved almost as much. I started collecting back issues of Tim Drake's Robin, Gen 13, and X-Man a week later.

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#10  Edited By SevanGrim

Weirdly, as much as I acknowledge and even appreciate that the new Aquaman comics are doing... They are losing me.

I think I'm disconnected from Arthur's "home turf" per se because it's so big and so... not something I'm connected to.

I would be more excited for a title focusing on AC dealing with threats IN Atlantis as opposed to things that are a threat TOO Atlantis. Something more like (I hate that I'm saying this) everything else. I think something more like other heroes and their connection to their home cities, with the filter of "underwater and with ocean threats" would interest me more than Aquaman leaving Atlantis all the time to deal with other carp.(I'm gonna let autocorrect have that one because pun).

I know I was biased for GJ's writing style, and that plays a part in my loss in interest. But right now I'm not huge on seeing AC outside of the JLA,and that's weird considering how much I clamored for him before.