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Good job! I never knew Megan had this many abilities

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#2  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

It depends on what the Six can come up with with prep

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Thing and Torch even making base Silver Surfer flinch while they are weakened is bad writing and you know it. Unless Surfer is weakened too that should never happen. Thing has consistently had trouble with base Hulk and base Torch is planetary or just above with his strongest attacks. Weakened states of them should not be giving Surfer trouble.

They weren't weakened they just weren't as powerful as they currently are and I could call it low showings for Surfer but they have done it so much at this point plus there's Super-Skrull giving him trouble with their powers on several occasions. I agree Johnny is probably around planet levels but the intensity of his heat is different since it doesn’t really go with his normal destructive capability but more attack potency

They still got cooked the first time and again, the F4 literally BEGGED Galactus to come and defeat the Sphinx because they couldn't and Sphinx gave Galactus a fight.

Again, The FF in the 70's were nowhere near their current power levels, their bodies constantly absorbs cosmic radiation from the atmosphere which makes them grow stronger with time and each member has gotten several amps through the years

How are they outliers when he was made to be a Silver Surfer level character in Annihilation, the same story that even buffed Silver Surfer, who was the most powerful herald already?

Usually when characters perform feats they haven't replicated it's considered outliers especially since these were feats from almost two decades ago Nova should have performaned similar feats by now

The whole point of him having those crazy feats was to show his new power status. When he arrived on Earth, Iron Man said his energy levels were off the charts and by then Iron Man could read energy levels that could wipe out potentially solar systems and galaxies. He fought Thanos head on when he had the full nova force, he blitzed Drax, fought Annihilus when he had the Cosmic Control Rod and Quantum Bands and fought the Cancerverse. Calling them outliers is definitely a stretch. I'd might even say Sue withstanding the collision of two entire universes even for a second is an even crazier outlier because Sue is nowhere CLOSE to being able to withstand Universal levels of power unless she had a power boost. Silver Surfer and Galactus I can believe. Not Sue Storm lol.

Nova seemed pretty powerful during Annihilation but since then he hasn't been a Silver Surfer tier character overall for example not long ago Sue's force field blocked attacks from a bloodlusted Nova among multiple other bloodlusted Avengers in Immortal Hulk and I do agree Sue's incursion feat is an outlier because it's somewhat above her other feats but the same can be said for the feats mentioned for Nova

Nova blitzed Gladiator, Spider-Man, Thor and Thanos (he barely moved his head ngl) before even becoming Nova Prime. When he was created, his speed was literally his biggest asset.

Would Nova blitz Sue in character though? He might do that with Thing but I don't think he will enter a fight and blitz someone like Sue

As I said, Sue is a serious powerhouse and contender. However, Nova can disrupt the electromagnetic fields in her body and shut it down temporarily or just hold her in place with gravity manipulation then do what he needs to do to neutralize her if he can.

I don't think this is a standard attack from a morals on Nova and her force fields can cancel the effects of gravity

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Unfortunately, there's no guarantee he'll be successful since Sue's forcefields are pretty powerful. She is the only real threat in a random encounter unless Reed is cooking something crazy. It can go either way. It comes down to who can make the first move and I'm certain Sue is not reacting faster than the Silver Surfer or Gladiator or even Spider-Man.

Asp explained above she oftentimes wears a tactile shield in case she's caught off-guard and even without that she has a sixth sense that helps her react to incoming danger before it happens like Spider-Sense

And she has a list of lethal attacks...

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I wanna say the heroes but Annihilus is a real teambuster

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Blastaar got put down by Captain Marvel in like two hits some time ago. Yes it was definitely bad writing but I don't know about his power significantly growing as time goes. It can be true though.

That was a few years ago and Nova was recently shocked by how strong Blastaar has gotten after he became Emperor Blastaar

Nova has consistent showings against high tiers so his fights with Gladiator can be taken into account. Also please post the comic panel or name of the comic where Gladiator couldn't harm The Thing

I'm not questioning Nova's capabilities I'm questioning Gladiator's power levels because they vary more than most other characters

The F4 have feats against the Surfer when he's holding back as he almost always is when against them. If he truly wanted to end the fight it would've been over 7/10 times. He can and has blown up entire planets and more in the middle of his fights.

Thing and Torch has repeatedly harmed him even when they were at their weakest and he can't really hold back his Durability, Torch has blitzed and intercepted him multiple times, Sue's shields has blocked a blast from him while he was bloodlusted, withstood him and Terrax's energy discharge, blocked attacks that can one-shot Surfer plus Super-Skrull can give him a lot of trouble with their outdated powers even while Surfer had killing intent

The F4 has beaten Annihilus many times but not through force, by outsmarting him

But they have plenty of direct comparisons with him like mentioned above and they haven't fought him for over two decades so we don't know how he compares to them currently

Bad writing aside, Nova has to hold back when he's with the Guardians so that others don't get injured.

The FF also hold back

Yes, Black Bolt gave The Sphinx a good fight but literally just before that The Thing got bullied by The Sphinx and he got bullied again when the F4 allied with Nova to defeat him later on.

The FF were weakened at the time due to being affected by a skrull metabolic booster and by the time they fought Sphinx they were close to dying

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And all four members have grown stronger and had various power amps since the 70's

Also let's not forget that The Sphinx with one Ka Stone was enough to give Galactus a fight and with 2 he could've remade the universe. His full power blast could not penetrate Nova's shields and in Annihilation Nova shielded a blast that took out over 3 star systems so he's no slouch in that department.

Those would be high-ends for Nova or even outliers but even with those the F4 can contend for example Sue's force field momentarily withstood the collision of two universes

He did overpower magneto, when he got that hit in lol. But I posted that to show that Nova also has control over electromagnetism and can do more than just shoot energy blasts.

I mean they didn't have a power struggle that Nova won Nova's powers just countered Magneto's powers well which I don't think will be helpful against the F4

The F4 dealt with opponents just as fast or faster than Nova? You make that sound as though there are many when the only two characters who are faster than Nova are Silver Surfer and possibly Thor if we're excluding the god like characters/abstracts and The Runner.

Johnny has blitzed and intercepted Surfer several times and Sue has also reacted to him while he was bloodlusted

Sue is no doubt capable of defeating Nova and he slows himself down when on Earth to not cause environmental damage so she definitely has a chance but he can still blitz the other members. Sue is powerful but it comes down to who can react faster since Nova can knock her out quickly and even make his own forcefields practically in an instant.

Sue wears skin-tight shields incase she gets surprised and she can disrupt other force fields so Nova's force field wouldn't be much use

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#9  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

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Blastaar constantly grows stronger without any upper limit so we don't know exactly how powerful he currently is as he's constantly fluctuating and as far as I'm aware current Emperor Blastaar doesn't have low showings and as can be seen in his Respect Thread Super-Skrull can have extended fights with Thor and Silver Surfer while they're actively trying to kill him

Using Gladiator to scale with isn't very convincing since he goes from a 100 to a 0 between appearances and couldn't even harm Thing in their last encounter and Johnny can casually melt Ronan's hammer that can block Gladiator's heat vision and all members of the F4 have feats against Silver Surfer even back when they were nowhere near as powerful as they currently are

The F4 has beaten Annihilus on multiple occasions and a severely weakened Sue's force field could easily block a blast he said could've killed him and a similar comparison would be Doom giving Nova along with other Guardians of the Galaxy trouble while Sue can beat Doom by herself and recently feared to take on Sue right after he stomped Annihilus twice

Another comparison is Nova among other Guardians having trouble with a symbiote dragon while Johnny easily took one down despite it being resistant to fire plus there are multiple other comparisons mentioned in this thread

As for Sphinx, IIRC Black Bolt already beat him and classic Thing could trade blows with BB and Sue also beat a bloodlusted BB back when she wasn't as powerful as she currently is

The Magneto comparison is more about Nova countering Magneto's powers and not overpowering him

And the entire F4 have dealt with opponents just as fast and faster than Nova, Sue can instantly neutralize force fields and the other members outside Sue would probably have a hard time beating Nova due to his versatility and their morals holding them back but I don't see him beating a serious Sue

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#10  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan
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@geekryan: Would Dagger be too much for a 4 pointer?

She'd be fine yeah, since her projectiles/attacks can be dodged and don't always one-shot. But that feat of her light daggers bypassing Doom's force field can't be used.

Ok, I'll take Dagger for now