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#1 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

In a vacuum, it doesn't really matter. Here's the issue, intelligence can be considered, defined, and applied in a variety of different and accepted ways. The efficiency and effectiveness of recognizing and identifying patterns, being able to create detailed and accurate predictions, being able to read a situation with complicated variables well, being able to perform extremely difficult tasks with relative ease, using perception, analytical abilities. Having an 'intuitive' level of skill and understanding of a field far beyond your peers, and so on... intelligence can be a large advantage, but there are other factors it interacts with that are important in reality and sometimes get overlooked in fiction.

Imagine if through whatever means, we discovered that Matsuda, and Mikami were actually both objectively the most intelligent Death Note characters? It wouldn't really make sense right? It would feel... wrong or in error. Except what if Matsuda was too nervous, and anxious to ever really feel comfortable enough to relax and apply his intelligence and what if Mikami was too volatile emotionally, to be objective enough to actually apply his intelligence.

The way I watched and read the anime, I felt like L was more intelligent. He had the tougher task, Light was aided by a supernatural force. Supernatural forces, especially those that we have little to no information of, seriously wreck with our abilities to analyze, assess and predict for and around. We know this from philosophy, epistemology, science... supernatural forces create too many problems and open too many doors, which is why they are often ignored or require evidence before being considered. You can't really compare a team of police officers to a supernatural entity and supernatural book. One of those greatly empowers the abilities, discretion and actions, and the other could potentially require intellectual resources to manage in order to get a little bit of value out of. So I definitely viewed L as having the greater challenge, and it didn't reflect poorly on him, when Light eventually outlasted him. Not only was Light nearly as intelligent, he had access to more powerful tools, that were supernatural and unknown to L!

Also, and this isn't being very objective, but I liked L more. He was more endearing and quirky, Light was respectable and well intentioned at times, but he was also a bit sociopathic at times, and also horrible naive to the way of the world for someone intelligent. We like to favor certain characters in certain ways, but without the pretense of thinking its because we favor them... so I was a little bit surprised when I read a supplement book, where the creator explains that Light is more intelligent. I mean, I am generally pretty critical of intelligent characters in fiction, because unless the writer is very intelligent and... or knows how to write around intelligent characters in such a way as to not reveal its superficiality, such characters end up cliche or inadequate.

I don't think thats what happened in Death Note though, though I do find it curious Light was assigned a 10 in Social Skills, because while he does have generally good social skills, he feigns empathy, rather than applying it sincerely, and this by itself can lead to poor relationships... but thats another topic. Anyway, intelligence in a vacuum, so why did L do so well contextually? Doesn't have to be that complicated, he could have just been more considerate/reflective. Worked relatively harder. In real life, those with the highest IQ's aren't synonymous with those who create the greatest inventions, or who are the most successful in fields... great intelligence is often associated with the latter types of people, its definitely an asset, but if we view it as a tool, well some people work harder to apply a tool than others. I think this reflects well on both L and Light. Both had large ego's and confidence, but I think L was a lil crazier, as far as how much he sacrificed socially, in order to channel his wits. So maybe he just pushed himself a little bit harder... which makes it more tragic, when he fell short... but also sweeter, when he eventually 'won' because of his two successors.

TL;DR: I think Light is more intelligent, but not really by much. L makes up for it in other ways, and also demonstrates it/applies better in certain ways, L also in certain ways. Also who is more intelligent between John von Neumann and Richard Feynman? Ramanujan or Einstein? Where does John Nash fit in? All of them are considered and fulfill criteria around genius, but they also all had different personalities, and characteristics that would go on to determine how much they would accomplish, influence, and intellectually explore, respectively. Also, I just listed great intellectuals from the past, scientists/mathematicians, I am not that familiar with extraordinarily intelligent Detectives and Criminals but that would introduce a large variable into a discussion, and require an extra set of qualities that could benefit the whole.

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#2 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course. All Might is very endearing, humble and heroic. Lots of good natured heroes and probably a few super villains would like him. the same way, many already are quite fond of various other heroes in their respective Universes. he can also be portrayed as a bit goofy and corny now and then, so a lot of heroes might like him for that as well. All Might tends to like of people generally as well, and such attitudes are often reciprocated by others and vice versa.

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#3 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

Ice Cube >>>Sub Zero

What about Ice T and Vanilla Ice? We need a tier system.

Not sure whether to include LL Cool J and Coolio though. Def against the rules to add Frieza and Cooler unfort.

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#4 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

@monsterstomp: Cause I wanted to make that joke first... and then I got to the thread and you already made it... so I had to retroactively add the set up and conclusion and now the story arc is complete. ^_^

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#5 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

So people don't know its him.

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#6 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, whats cooler than being cool?

Ice cold

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Okay, now ladies!

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#7 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

@spareheadone: Me too! Then once we are large enough, we can devour the rest of the CV users and then migrate to other websites to eat more people!

Fun Sad Fact: Chuck Missler actually died in my country, just last year. He actually seemed pretty interesting and had books on Aliens and Cosmic Codes.

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#8 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

@spareheadone:

You could also acknowledge that some individuals make bad and poorly thought out arguments, and that doesn't necessarily mean, they are stupid or unintelligent, or that the subject or position they are arguing for, doesn't have better positions or arguments.

Just because Chuck Missler potentially made a bad, cringe worthy argument, doesn't mean that someone is misconstruing him, or affiliating anyone else with similar viewpoints negatively. I have seen some bad arguments from people who agree with evolution, not because I misconstrued them, in some instances I addressed them, and the other person realized their error and conceded. Sometimes thats all it is.

I appreciate the idea of you wanting to give others the benefit of the doubt, I like to do that too, but its okay if people make bad arguments too, it shouldn't reflect badly on them, The hope is that their ideas and arguments improve. I myself, use to hold some very silly ideas in the past too. I probably still have some silly ideas that I haven't really explored or been challenged on, that just tumble around in my brain.

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#9 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

@spareheadone: Are you familiar with Chuck Missler and some of his other views?

Oh and I agree, trying to understand where a person is coming from, I think thats honorable and good for ideas and healthy dialogue. I'm just not necessarily sure that Missler was being tongue in cheek. To put it another way, Ray Comfort also famously used a banana to prove the existence of God, when he was heavily criticized, (many people pointed out that the modern banana was cultivated that way by man) he backtracked and made an apology and clarification of sorts.

This isn't to say the points you make after such an interpretation are more or less valid, I just wouldn't be surprised if Missler was being literal. I don't know if Missler ever reflected on or addressed this example before he passed though, so I could be wrong.

Thanks for the reply!

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#10 Posted by SC (17971 posts) - - Show Bio

@spareheadone: Out of curiosity, why do you think Chuck Missler was being tongue in cheek?

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