It contains just as many heavenly bodies as kaguya's if that's what you're asking.
Which are all virtual within a Black Bounding box not bigger than a town from what I remember.
Kaguya's dimension are not virtual/fake.
What do you mean virtual/fake??? Are you trying to compare his dimensions to sort of like a sword art online world or something? Lol nope. His fullbring does use a video game interface but his ability is indeed the ability to manipulate space-time. The black boxes themselves could be any size he wants them to be or non-existent if he so chooses.
People entire physical body exists in that space so I don't know how you came to the conclusion that it is just "virtual". The buildings are actually building and hell if the air was "fake" pretty sure they would have suffocated in his spaces. This shows everything in his space is real. It's not happening in anyone's head.
Kaguya's dimensions are the real deal, and has better proof of being universal in scale.
What are these proofs?
Obito who can comfortably travel anywhere around the earth and comfortably to-and-fro kamui dimension with one-MS was bleeding to death trying to connect spaces within Kaguya's dimension. This is Obito with rikudo chakra, Byakugo chakra and double-MS. He noted how unbelievably vast Kaguya's dimension was.
The reason he was losing so much chakra is because he was searching for Sasuke. Needle in a haystack situation. Looking for A single person in a vast unknown amount of space and compared to the kamui dimension which seems small and easy to retrieve things, Kaguya space is actually vast. If simply travelling to a huge dimension is supposed to be taxing he would be killing himself anytime he goes to and from the kamui dimension to earth dimension, but that's not the case.
Kaguya even loses a tremendous amount of chakra travelling her own spaces.
That's because of her methods, using Amenomika. which consumes a lot of chakra. Other otsusuki find it far less taxing. And she would too if not using Ameno.
The same chakra taxing effect happens for other Otsutsuki when travelling the real world's universe. In Boruto anime, Momoshiki noted how he used up a lot of chakra pills moving through time-space finding earth. And yes we know Otsutsuki travel from planet to planet across space.
Again, Momo probably used more chakra than normal because he had to search for earth, ergo needle in haystack . I still don't get the point though. What's using up chakra to travel dimensions supposed to prove? Maybe you should clarify.
@saxz: Sasuke doesn't need to tank anything and let's be real why isn't Mihawk or Shanks killing a teammate when Sasuke swaps places to avoid the slash?
Future sight counters that. Everyone here has a super honed observation haki and with arguably better reactions. I am not saying he doesn't put up a fight. He does. He murks several of them. but all seven I doubt it.
@saxz: Sasuke can go days on one-end, scaling from EMS Madara, stamina isn't a problem and the OP team isn't strong enough to do much damage to Sasuke in or outside of susanoo.
Pretty sure anyone can go days on end. it depends on the intensity of the fight. You can go days or flat out finish your chakra in under 30 minutes. Which is why I mentioned susano. How long can he keep up with Susano without exhaustion?
Ok can you proof that Sasuke can tank slashing/piercing attacks from the likes of shanks and Mihawk with just his body? Feats for Sasuke that implies this?
Sasuke can handle one or two, at best three. But seven? Chances are he runs out of chakra and gets cooked. That hulking susano ain't tagging anyone notable and if he doesn't stay in susano chances are he gets jumped.
@saxz: nobody is saying bleach is a pocket dimension, i don't remember anyone making that claim. To the best of my knowledge bleach is either;
Ok. That would be a relief. Because that stance is next to autism to be fair.
a. A single universe with Soul society, Heuco mundo and Human world being parallel planets from different galaxies or solar systems due to urahara's statement and explanation below.
• the tray (the universe)
- black liquid (heuco mundo)
- white liquid (soul society)
- marbles (real world)
Don't mind the labels.
each of these standing and representing (SS/Heuco mundo and real world)
First theory.
Yeah, I appreciate the effort to think outside the box. But this is wrong. Urahara can make it seem like one universe because both are tightly intertwined, like it's always mentioned they are two sides of the same coin and they were indeed one super sized universe before the soul king. And that statement changes depending on how you read it. It makes the whole universe(referring to soul society universe) tilt this way.
Either way, the fact that they exist in different dimensions..makes this theory wrong in all respect. It's even more wrong when the atoms that makes up both universe are fundamentally different. This theory contradicts the manga hard.
b. Heuco mundo, Soul society and The real world (Earth) are planets in separate universes but are connected to each other.
Not much of a theory. This is what the manga simply states.
Both of these 2 theories (one is likely to be true based on statements and depiction),
Lol nope. It literally says Kishi(physical matter) can't exist in a reishi dimension. Along with calling them different dimension countless of times. There is no single statement or depiction that support one. Except you're intent on misinterpretation.
none of these 2 imply the real world were karakura town is a universe (yes its inside a universe) but the real world is not the universe, just a planet inside a universe. I don't know why its so hard to understand.
Did anyone say Karakura town is an actual universe? I am confused. Of course everyone says real world and soul society is in a universe. But since that's the only place life resides (much like our own universe and not something like DBZ). It's the only place that gets talked about.
One more thing World can mean universe. Especially if we're talking Japanese language here, where the root word is likely "sekai". When you here ("isekai" = another world) it usually doesn't mean the person went to another planet in the same universe. Countless Manga uses World to refer to their universe numerous times. This is not a bleach thing. Even Magi who everyone should agree are universal, refer to their cosmology as worlds more often than not.
Lastly it said the garganta surrounds and separate the three worlds. Gargnata is an infinite expanse of space with turbulent reishi. If you want to refer to the worlds as planets then you're trying to say everyone looks up and see an infinite darkness of garganta instead of starry skies. So yeah when they say the worlds it can very much refer to the universe. Except you want to explain why the planet's exosphere isn't garganta.
Remember garganta is not outer space because everyone can breathe freely there. Which means the entirety of both planet's outer space is inside the so called worlds surrounded by garganta.
Yall keep talking about gremmy and yukio, i don't know why you bringing them up
Gremmy sent kenpachi to outer space, that does not mean he created outer space, he just opened a portal that linked to deep space... its neither a pocket dimension, nor gremmy's creation, he simply created a portal leading there with his imagination
2. Yukio : and his pocket dimension, much like kamui dimension but difference is he can control things in his dimension (low tier reality warping) add and remove things.
These 2 are irrelevant to this discussion, i don't know why they keep geetting brought up, and there is nothing confusing about their powers.
Both these 2 do not disprove theory 1 or theory 2 of the post above.
If Gremmy powers was portal opening then sure. But his power is imagination creation. Moreover the author said he created that space. Your conjecture to what he did would be irrelevant.
My point with Yukio is creating several space-time is not a big deal. Has nothing to do with the cosmology argument.
Where does it say. Itachi can't control the nine tails because of his chakra level?
As nodt mind hax isn't more potent than Itachi's. As nodt kills you by fear while Itachi's straight up disconnects your mind from your body when it run on full cylinders.
You can't scale Gerard and Byakuya resistance like that, when the method of resistance is not applicable to both parties. Lastly what do you mean Gerard don't have eyes?
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Madara was hyped for being able to control kurama by itachi and the databook says that no one around or known at the time could control kurama and his chakra.
Obito also notes danzo was going to use shisuis eye plus hashirama cells to control kurama it takes more then just high level genjustu to control kurama
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Gerard and lille both outscale kurama massively even in base so to say itachi could manipulate them is a nlf at it's finest. I can equal argue they just get soul crushed on site.
What asnot casuing intense illusions of fear casuing you to die from intensity.
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Their pretty much the samething tsukuyomi plays of fear it's just not as potent as asnots.
I thought you meant Itachi tried and failed. That DB statement means nothing. Considering it also says things like Light fang is undodgeable and it gets dodged the one time it's used. It contradicts the manga because Itachi supercedes Obito and EMS Madara in Genjutsu prowess.
Danzo needs Hashirama calls because he is a non Uchiha and sharingans drain non Uchiha drastically. Case in point, Kakashi. Not to mention in the manga it says all you need is the MS.
Except strength was never a factor in resisting Genjutsu.
Itachi does what As nodt does and More. He can choose to instill fear or any other form of mind torture. Unlike As nodt who is limited to fear. Talk not of time dilation where 1 sec = 70 years. Lastly mental fortitude and mastering your fear is almost irrelevant when Itachi Genjutsu kills by actually detaching the mind from the physical body and torturing it in a mental realm, making it unable to reattach.
As nodt fear may be above most Genjutsu but it isn't touching Itachi's.
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