@omegalul said:
@savage_salience said:
I don't understand how people work around the problem of Kallark's super speed advantage? At any rate, Gladiator wins without too much trouble.
The fact that he doesn't have a speed advantage? The guy already lost once to a weakened pre-core breach Hulk. How is he winning here? Let alone without much trouble? On top of that he has failed every comparison with Hulk he could have had
Against Annhilius
His fight with Gladiator
His fight with Hulk
Why would you include showings of Gladiator not using his super speed? Wouldn't that be low balling? You can't seriously believe Hulk and Gladiator are on par speed wise?
Not only does Hulk last longer, tanks more damage but he also actually damages Annhilius to the point where Annhilius in his fight with Gladiator mentions directly how Hulk was more of a challenge for him than Gladiator.
Against Jane Thor
Her fight with Gladiator
Her fight with Hulk
Again, more instances of Gladiator not using super speed. How are any of these showing relevant?
Gladiator gets put on his knees from 1 blow from her and has to have his son save him and distract her so he can choke her out
Hulk on the other hand is virtually unphased by her and Hercs combined attacks and proceeds to shrug them off easily.
Against Living Lightning
Gladiator
Hulk
Eric Masterson controls the Living Lightning from the sky and uses him to hit Gladiator which actually hurts and stuns Gladiator enough for Eric Masterson to beat him senseless later on.
While Hulk completely no-sells him.
Against Cannonball
Gladiator
Hulk
Gladiator struggles with Cannonball who tanks his strongest blow with his kinetic ability which ends up wavering Gladiators confidence
Hulk casually backhands Cannonball with enough force to break his neck on landing.
These scans are all proof of writers trying to make books interesting. I can't honestly think of any character with super speed that hasn't been hit by a character with no super speed at all. Gladiator is no different. Your reasoning is faulty from the word go.
I mean do i need to go on? There are a few more examples like Gladiator having a tough time against Colossus who he barely beat, while Hulk beat him without trouble on multiple occasions even fodderizing him as WWH. On top of that as i mentioned before Gladiator already lost to a weakened Hulk who hasn't yet received his permanent amp on Sakaar.
And again, not one of those instances did the writer employ Gladiator's super speed. All you've done is provide proof that writer's know how to make a comic book interesting to the reader. I mean, can you imagine Gladiator using his super speed in every book he was in? Most character's cannot compete with that level of speed, especially Marvel, where they are known for mostly slow bricks. Which brings me to my next point. Hulk has no super speed that can be accurately measured. I mean, how many nano second feats does Hulk have? Any? How about something even near light speed? Anything at all that can be measured? Yet Gladiator is shown blitzing Heimdall in an instant of time, way over light speed. You already mentioned him moving in nano seconds. Also, him catching a sniper bullet and waiting until the bullet was only inches from the target, likely puts Gladiator near light speed. Hulk literally has nothing to compete with this.
So honestly where does this Gladiator nonsense come from? The character is extremely overrated and all of his feats come from his 3 showings(3-shotting a dead planetoid, nanosecond speed and tanking half a supernova) 2 of those aren't even from 616 Gladiator but one that's from an alternate timeline, not to mention that Hulk himself has better feats than those except for the nanosecond showing which is Gladiators only real feat of speed from 20 years ago that he NEVER showcased ever again in any fight, as he has failed to react to everyone from street level characters like Gambit and Wolverine to bricks like Thing and Colossus to slow powerhouses like Thor, Hulk, Black Bolt, etc... everything else he has is either average showings or just downright crap. So i literally don't get the hype behind his character, he is extremely overrated and a extremely poor Superman clone.
It's not nonsense. And all those feats you mentioned, happened in continuity. You don't get to erase them just because it suits your argument. If we accept Gladiator a character that has demonstrated high end measurable reaction speed as someone that can be hit by characters with no super speed, then we would have to assume all characters with a high degree of super speed can be hit by characters with no super speed in a setting where we are supposed to be weeding out PIS (that means plot induced stupidity) moments. Your logic effectively erases an entire power from Gladiator, super speed. When your logic erases super speed from a character that has some serious super speed feats, than your logic is automatically wrong. This also does not include the fact that Gladiator is used by Marvel comics as high end cannon fodder for more popular characters, like Hulk and Thor. I disagree with everything you said. And isn't there a three scan rule? I'm guessing any visiting writers or artists would be pretty pissed off, know what I mean?
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