SaitamaBro

@redshift_bacon:

I stated Broly only Broke Free of Paragus's Control when he First entered his LSSJ State.

It makes no difference. We were discussing wether Paragus could control Broly's power or not. You said he couldn't because Broly broke free from his control when he became a LSSJ. My point is that Paragus started losing control after Broly saw Goku, so it had nothing to do with the ammount of power he had. And we see Paragus struggling to control Broly even before he turned into a LSSJ, when he was in base. Broly was never supposed to have attacked Goku while under Paragus' control. So the fact that Broly broke free from his control has nothing to do with Paragus being able to control Broly's full power, as it was stated, since Broly didn't break free because he had too much power to be controlled.

The Intro Sequence is not an accurate, To-Scale portrayal of the Events that Occurred before the Movie.

Can you bring any evidence of it?

You are arguing about Galaxy Busting with a Galaxy that still exists.

So, if a bomb destroys a house, but a couple bricks are intact, was the house not actually destroyed? Makes sense.

Yes I do.

Nice pics you have there. So, Kaioh was waiting all this time to react because...? And i always find it funny how one of your evidences is someone saying the galaxy has fallen.

Imagine Believing that the Animation Team for Movie 8 and the Animation Team for the Buu Arc Filler have any sort of consistency despite Toriyama himself not being able to Draw SSJ2 Gohan properly.

Imagine arguing the animation team didn't do something with the public in mind, then being called out when someone points to them they did the same thing in another instance, and then backpeddling to an argument about consistency. Either they wouldn't show a galaxy being blow over time because the fans wouldn't like it or they would and the fans didn't complain.

Imagine still believing that the Animation Team in 1993 had any idea the logistics of what is required for a Spiral Galaxy, which might I add we still today are not sure how they form due to the mysterious nature of Dark Matter, and thus can't define limits to their dimensions.

I would tell you to prove Dark Matter exists, but we both know you would never offer any evidence. Just like you do here. Either way...

which itself could even be a Dwarf Galaxy

Have you ever seen Dwarf Galaxies? They look nothing like the galaxy Broly blew up.

Patches of 'light', disappeared here and there at different places.

Interesting how they dissapear in diferent places in multiple directions all at the same time, huh?

Genki-Dama's are Notoriously Inconsistent.

But energy giving has to be, otherwise we can't downplay Broly, amirite?

Charged Ki Attacks are NOT the same as giving someone Ki.

I see. Giving someone more power is different from charging ki to become more powerful than if you had given someone your power. Makes sense.

The Super-Saiyan God Ritual clearly has more to do with 5 Saiyans Joining Hands and becoming Super Saiyans

I'm starting to get worried about you not talking about fetus Pan.

In Conclusion, the Graphic was showing SSJ Broly Running through a Galaxy with Paragus

It begins in the middle and goes in all directions at the same time. Did Broly keep going back and forth, left and right, to make it look that way? Do you realize how silly that sounds?

but DEFINITELY ISNT GALACTIC, based purely on the Kid Buu Genkidama feat,

Am i allowed to just say inconsistency here and use it as an argument like you do?

@redshift_bacon:

Whatever man you keep repeating the same points I've debunked.

Except you didn't. You said Broly broke free of Paragus control, i showed scans of the SUBBED movie with the SUBTITLES saying he didn't. You said the galaxy was destroyed over time, but we literally see it exploding, and it takes seconds. Not only that, but it starts at the middle and goes to the edges in all directions at the same time. Broly would have to be going back and forth, left and right, to do something like that. You simply have ZERO EVIDENCE that you are right. NONE.

You think the audience wants to sit for decades and watch Broly destroy a galaxy, then fine thats you.

Can you prove that this is the case? That they showed it like that because they didn't want to show it being done over time? But they did show and narrate it being done over time for Kid Buu. I don't think anyone complained about that scene, even if it was filler.

They use the Saiyan Pods to travel, thats a fact.

I know, which is why Paragus arrives at Earth in those pods. Oh wait, they don't., they arrive in their space shit that can travel between galaxies in a few hours.

LSSJ Broly is a Large Solar-System Buster at best

An interesting point. Do you know how many Solar systems Broly would have to destroy per second to destroy a galaxy as big as the one he did in 30 years(more years than he had to live)? There are 948.672.000 seconds in 30 years made of 366 days(i know, i wanted to account for leap years, so i just made every year with 366 days). He would have to destroy 105 solar systems every second. Without stopping for 30 years. Do you want to make this calc with him starting older and his actual age at the time of the movie?

unless you believe that SSJ Goku, SSJ Gohan, ASSJ Vegeta, ASSJ Trunks, and Piccolo combined, who are all well below Solar-System level, are greater than Galaxy Busting.

They don't need to be that strong. I mean, do you believe the planet has enough energy to create a genki dama strong enough to kill someone who can destroy it a thousand times over? That makes no sense, but that's what happens. Do you think a fetus that doesn't even transform into a super saiyan can give enough power to Goku to make him vastly more powerful than he was when he got power from 4 other saiyans? That makes no sense, but it happened.

Either way, you never addressed it. Pan being a fetus who can't turn Super Saiyan, i mean. What's you opinion on it? Does it make sense Goku got vastly more powerful after adding only her? But when you have to downplay Broly, then everything must make sense. Giving power must be 1+1=2, even though ki never worked like that. An example being Piccolo using his attack on Raditz, that was stronger than Piccolo himself.

and loses to Movie 10 Broly after a long fight and many Regens and Zenkais.

Nah. Broly M10>Gohan M10>Teen Gohan> Cell.

@chronicplane: It was never canon. None of the movies before BoG were ever canon.

@redshift_bacon:

Doesn't it make just as much sense if the Kaioh would have that reaction because Broly was on a course towards his own portion of the Universe, and he did not want Broly to destroy the life within lol??

Why would he react to the galaxy being destroyed right then? And Broly wasn't moving towards the Northern Galaxy.

Obviously he doesn't because Broly can break free.

But Broly literally breaks free because Goku awakened his instincts as a saiyan, not because he is too poweerful to be controlled. Broly was breaking free in his base form from Paragus control, so this has nothing to do with how much Broly is powered up.

Im going to ignore your terrible metaphor because it never happened.

It did happen. Maybe i'm confusing this with the Broly vs SS2 Goku, but it happened.

If the Galaxy is not *gone* it is not a Galaxy busting feat.

Good thing we see the galaxy going kaboom on screen, otherwise you might have a point.

Again, the Galaxy being Destroyed, overtimeit is not Galaxy Busting.

I don't think seven seconds is a lot of time.

So please, tell me how using those pods they crossed an entire quadrant of the Universe lol.

Well, you tell me, because they did. And i don't think they used the pods to do it, but whatever.

If the Galaxy is not *gone* it is not a Galaxy busting feat.

So, if 100 billion solar systems are destroyed, and only a couple thousand are left(less than 0.000001 percent), then the galaxy was not destroyed and is still there? Do you even know how this sounds like to other people? It sounds like you are downplaying a feat we clearly see happening.

This doesn't make a difference, since the feat that your attempting to prove is Galaxy-Busting is clearly of a single galaxy.

That's on my best days. I mean, Broly's creator said he could destroy galaxies. Notice the plural.

Broly destroying the South Galaxy over time is consistent with the narrative, with the statements, with what we see visually in the Movie

Narrative: "The South Galaxy has FALLEN under attack."

What we see visually is the destruction starting in the middle, and perfectly following to the end on all sides. So Broly really took his time to make it look that pleasant huh?

But its NOT the Super Saiyan God Ritual.

Neither was the one they did before with only four saiyan giving power to Goku, yet he was vastly more powerful than as a SSJ3.

The Ritual required 5 Saiyans to joint hands and enter Super Saiyan.

Oh, you're right. I forgot that part where fetus Pan entered Super Saiyan.

Good argument. Can you show Goku fighting Cell after he got the energy from Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo? I mean, you say with a lot of certainty. Also, has anyone ever brought up how much this is almost a Super Saiyan God ritual? And how in said ritual Pan, as a fetus, was enough to turn Goku Super Saiyan God, making him vastly more powerful than he was when he only had four other Super Saiyans helping? And fetus Pan wasn't a Super Saiyan? But now giving energy has to be logical 1+1=2 for some reason, just so we can downplay Broly?

@redshift_bacon: Are you going to make the point of why Kaioh was only reacting now if Broly was doing his destruction for his entire lifetime? You may be able to make this point of him not oneshotting the galaxy, but to say it took him anything more than minutes, so Kaioh would have that reaction, is completely dumb. Unless of course you explain why he was only reacting then and not before.

Furthermore, it is made clear that Paragus does not allow Broly to reach his LSSJ state, keeping him restrained as to prevent Paragus's own death. The Power-Limiting device isn't removed/destroyed until the Z-Fighters Arrive, and you can see Paragus's pure SHOCK that Broly was able to do this.

You mentioned the japanese dub, but i'm starting to wonder wether or not you truly watched it.

He has complete control over Broly's power. He doesn't need to restrict him out of fear. It was only now that Broly started resisting, and it was all because of Goku.

The entire movie takes place in the Southern Galaxy, and you can see the Stars in the Background when Goku arrives in the Southern Galaxy.

A guy earlier in the thread showed an image of Hiroshima after the bomb was dropped and there were still a building standing in that picture. Was Hiroshima not destroyed? No one seemed to answer that question, so i will ask you. If a few solitary planets and stars from a galaxy are not destroyed, but the billions upon billions of other solar systems were not, can it be said the galaxy was destroyed? Because at this point, you are using this argument to say the galaxy wasn't destroyed, when it's said over and over again to have been destroyed. So just answer this question truthfully. If, out of 100 billion solar systems, a few planets and stars survive(let's say 1000 solar systems, less than one percent of the original number), was the galaxy not destroyed then?

Lets not even mention the fact that Paragus and Broly use ships to fly between planets because its faster and safer than flying in a Barrier, though.

But, you just mentioned it. But this seems fun, let me try it.

Let's not even mention the fact that Southern Galaxy is a administrative term for one of the four quadrants of the entire universe, and while it's called a galaxy, it is in fact comprised of multiple galaxies. Let's also not mention the fact that the word ginga used for galaxy here can also mean galaxies in plural. Did i do it right?

@red_leader: Wait till someone starts arguing that something we see happening on screen didn't happen.

By tanked, you mean got completely erased apart from one single cell?

@hart7668 said:

Guys, guys, it was stated by Vegeta that "adult" (I put it in quotes because Gohan might not even be 18 at this point. And "Teen" Gohan was either 11 or 12....any I digress) Gohan was much weaker than when he was younger:

So much so, that Goku confuses Gohan's SSJ2 form for Gohan's SSJ1 form back at the Cell Games.

So actually, Broly beat a SSJ2 Gohan that was 1/2 SSJ2 Teen Gohan, Cell was obliterated by a <1/2 Teen Gohan.

Hmm? Hmm? It's still total bull-shiza?

...yeah, probably. :P

Nope. Gohan was stronger than his teen self. Did anyone watch the movie in question?

What's up with this rusty thing? He literally says he got stronger.