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#1 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll think how I like, and you can save face how you like. You've always been good at it. I honestly don't care who you prefer, but we both know that you know that your argument was dumb. Which is why you admitted it lol

I don't need to save face from your pompous assertions. If you actually feel like debating the matter and not trying to hang your entire argument on one line, while consistently trying to tell me how I feel about things, I'll gladly engage. But as you shown here and in our Luthor discussion, it's easier for you to dismiss a person, cus you can't imagine that people like something or hate something you don't.

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#2 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

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I admitted to being petty about a line, not everything I think regarding Snyder or Snyder in comparison to the Russos. You basically wanna use that line as evidence to throw away everything cus I prefer the Russos to Snyder

You said you were being petty for the most part, now you're trying to argue that that was solely directed to one, single line lmao

Never mind that that single line is still pretty much encapsulates your entire argument.

Yes, that is the case. Again, you can think whatever you like. You're wrong, and I won't continue this song and dance with you. As I said before, you can shove this little tactic of yours

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#3 Edited by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000 said:

What caveat?

You literally just admitted that you being petty now you're trying to take a dig at me for saying that I feel like you're reaching. lmao I feel like i'm more than justified in my "thoughts".

I admitted to being petty about a line, not everything I think regarding Snyder or Snyder in comparison to the Russos. You basically wanna use that line as evidence to throw away everything cus I prefer the Russos to Snyder

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#4 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

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A- I'm being petty for he most part

B- To scoff at television nowadays seems rather dismissive. Television, outside of maybe some budgetary constraints, has become a better tool for story telling than movies.

C- I do think their time in those shows influenced their comedic delivery and film style when it came to that. At times I'm reminded of Arrested Development with some of the tricks they do. Even so, I look at their jump from these comedic tv shows, to making what was in my top 3 comic book movies (TWS, MoS and Watchmen), a feat. And i think they've continued to earn their keep.

Well, the bolded is all I needed to know. Thanks for admitting it at least.

Also, i'm not scoffing at TV in general. But, lets be honest, these tv shows they direct aren't on HBO. They aren't Breaking Bad or GoT. They're sitcoms. It doesn't take a lot of directorial talent to film a single camera sitcom.

I honestly feel like you're reaching extremely hard just to rub Snyders face in the dirt. He runs circles around them. Plain and simple. I've seen 3 of his movies, and liked 2.

Sure, but you didn't put that caveat. The only real thing I point to when it comes to their tv work is their ability to tell a joke and their visual framing of it. Outside of that, it's just more a story of some tv jokesters making the best MCU movies.

You think a lot of things, specifically that you know more how I feel about things than I do. And I've told you then what you can do what those thoughts

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#5 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

Lmao I missed this.

There's no point in continuing if you actually believe Snyder isn't good enough to direct a 30 min episode of TV. It'd be like trying to argue politics with someone who actually thinks Obama isn't American.

I mean wtf lmao c'mon man

A- I'm being petty for he most part

B- To scoff at television nowadays seems rather dismissive. Television, outside of maybe some budgetary constraints, has become a better tool for story telling than movies.

C- I do think their time in those shows influenced their comedic delivery and film style when it came to that. At times I'm reminded of Arrested Development with some of the tricks they do. Even so, I look at their jump from these comedic tv shows, to making what was in my top 3 comic book movies (TWS, MoS and Watchmen), a feat. And i think they've continued to earn their keep.

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#6 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

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@buttersdaman000 said:

This is extremely ironic given the fact that Snyder has made good movies before Nolan/The DCEU whereas The Russos only have well received projects in the MCU under the guidance of Feige with a strict blueprint to follow.

Just sayin lol

They directed episodes of Community and Arrested Development, and they brought that joke delivery in the MCU, Yet somehow managed to prove that they can go beyond just jokes and tell a compelling story and have good drama beats, unlike Whedon.

That argument would hold much more water if not for the fact that most of hte MCU movies range from mediocre to average. Including the first Avengers movie.

Directing a couple episodes of TV doesn't help their case. In fact, it strengthens my case against them since their directing style is continuously criticized as being mundane, simple and un-cinematic.

I don't how you figure their stories/jokes/dramatic moments are so far beyond the rest of the MCU, but i'd be interested in hearing it. I feel a lot of their success comes from their movies already being set up as big set pieces where a lot of the build up and whatnot is inherent or has already been done for them.

It holds plenty of water. I'm not comparing them to the rest of the MCU, i'm comparing them to a director who has already found success on his own merit. Until The Russos are able to direct a successful movie outside the MCU, it's completely fair to argue that their success is because of the MCU. This is especially true given the fact that there are multiple MCU directors, who either never had a critically successful movie, or were on a string of bad ones, that miraculously found success the moment they directed an MCU movie. For example, Scott Derrickson averaged a roughly 25% rotten score on RT for movies he either wrote or directed. None of them were fresh. Then he directs Doctor Strange and gets an 89% certified fresh rating :/

"A couple", without the caveat of it being some of the best shows. Regardless, I think what's amazing is their transition from just these great comedy shows to making the best movies in the MCU. They could have blown it like Snyder after MoS, but the continued to make the best movies. Cinematography is an aspect that I hear people bitch about, but I hardly ever care about bad cinematography unless it's very notable. I think the only movie I agree with people, is the fight scene in Civil War, but it's been good in everything else, but at the end of the day that's extremely subjective. I care more about characterization and story, than I do about that. I look at something like Avatar, which is a movie that made it's money solely on how it looks, but I hate that movie so much because of it's story.

And sometimes someone can take a great character and screw them up. Regardless of how you feel they just took someone elses work and amplified them or used them, they had to do it justice, and they did. Just like how the Thor 3 director took a character no one liked and made them shine, the Russos took a character that was flanderized by Whedon and made him shine. Taking someone elses work and bringing out it's full potential still requires talent.

No, your argument was that they are being told what to do and that the are only good because of that. Which is that were the case the entire MCU would be as good or at least consistently above average. You're putting this unfair mark on them, but in general when it comes to these movies the directors are the ones praised for their work when they make great movies. Jon Favreu and Iron Man, Watiti and Thor 3, James Gunn and Guardians. They are the stand outs and they deserve the praise they get. I only have to look at the night and day difference between Whedon's Avengers and how they handle them.

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#7 Edited by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000 said:

This is extremely ironic given the fact that Snyder has made good movies before Nolan/The DCEU whereas The Russos only have well received projects in the MCU under the guidance of Feige with a strict blueprint to follow.

Just sayin lol

They directed episodes of Community and Arrested Development, and they brought that joke delivery in the MCU, Yet somehow managed to prove that they can go beyond just jokes and tell a compelling story and have good drama beats, unlike Whedon.

That argument would hold much more water if not for the fact that most of hte MCU movies range from mediocre to average. Including the first Avengers movie.

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@saintwildcard: What films have the Russo's actually made that were good that weren't part of MCU structure? How exactly have they proven they're capabilities when all they're currently doing is taking orders and making by the numbers films.

Who exactly are the Russo brothers as film makers? What is they're style exactly? At least Snyder has an identity as a film maker.

Films, not many, But they worked on both Arrested Development and Community, and that's quality that Snyder has never reached.

EDIT: Now that they've made a splash, I'm sure we'll see more movies and see if they can hold their own. But as it stands, they've done the best movies in the MCU. An island of greatness in a sea of mediocrity

But as I said above, that argument would only hold water if not for the fact that most of the MCU movies range from mediocre to average. One only has to look at how Whedon handled the characters and how they did. Their Cap is far superior to how Whedon handled them.

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#8 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

Snyder lacks the capacity to make a good movie without people like Nolan guiding him and someone who knows the comics writing. He basically needs a full time baby sitter. I had complete faith in the Russos after TWS, and that faith paid off. I'm one of the few people who thought Whedon's Avengers was at best an average movie. Civil War is the first good Avengers movie

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#9 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like a He-Man character

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#10 Posted by SaintWildcard (21792 posts) - - Show Bio

It's ironic ain't it? Aquaman makes a billion dollars, despite being about a hero not many people care about, made his first movie appearance in a movie that tanked, and had generally what is considered a generic story. Yet Shazam is widely praised and has the support of all the Captain Marvel haters (which ironically ended up making a billion), and it may end up being the lowest grossing DCEU movie yet. So bizarre, yet I'm pleased. I thought Shazam was a below average movie at best

I never thought that any movie would even come close to the numbers of Avatar. But Endgame might be able to do it. Impressive.

God I hope so. All ya'll were on drugs making that movie get so much money. I didn't see it in theaters, but I had to watch it twice at the end of the school year cus so many people had copies and wanted to watch it. I wanted to blow my brains out. I'd rather watch Pocahontas twice in a row than Avatar once.